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[JediLink]

You're assuming I'm a casual here. The "real men use items" 'meme' is pretty tongue-in-cheek. I'm just saying that the top minority clamoring for separatist exclusivity and dominance in contrast to the vocal minority WITHIN the majority clamoring for inclusive traits speaks volumes. Let's say that the "real men use items" crowd was serious? That just creates another branch of elitism with a different ruleset, i.e. they're not 'true casuals' because they've formed a concrete opinion. It just so happens that in this specific scenario (smash bros) that the top players have a ruleset that opposes the forementioned ruleset andthose pushing the opinion have forfeited their status as a 'casual participant' as a result.

I don't think we're on the same page here. This has nothing to do with Smash 4 or how the game should be made or anything like that. I'm talking about the general hatred of competitive Smash by the greater public. That's where the casual elitist talk is stemming from. This is the article that spurred everything. Prime example:

I love Melee. That was THE game to play when I was in college. I bombed my buddies' stupid wave dashing Foxes right off of Final Destination with Link soooooo many times... I'll say to you what I said to all my friends:

Wave dashing, L-cancelling, and "no items" SHATTERS any semblance of balance the game was supposed to have. If those three things aren't used, the game is actually incredibly balanced, and — I can't stress this next part enough — THE BEST PLAYER STILL PRETTY MUCH ALWAYS WINS. All those things do is make the game less interesting and harder to play. Period, end of story.

Oh, and you know what I mean when I say "casual". I'm talking about people who just play the game for fun and aren't into advanced tactics and all that jazz.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

Btw, there are like three versions of the Punch-Out theme in Smash, so I think there could be multiple versions of Pac-Man Park.

Two versions of the jogging theme, one of which has yet to be heard outside of Little Mac's reveal trailer

Spoiler

and it's the one I like better, too

, and one of the fight theme.

 

[KHlover]

I don't think we're on the same page here. This has nothing to do with Smash 4 or how the game should be made or anything like that. I'm talking about the general hatred of competitive Smash by the greater public. That's where the casual elitist talk is stemming from. This is the article that spurred everything. Prime example:

Can't say I disagree. Game obviously was primarily balanced with items in mind and 4 players as that's what most people play SSB like (how else can you explain moves like Falcon/Warlock punch which absolutely rule in 4 player matches but are beyond useless in 1vs1). I also agree with the statement that the better player still wins the majority of all games. Language is maybe a bit over the top, but it's a comment section and similar language also has been used from the other side - meh.

Him 'destroying' his friends using Advanced Techniques is anecdotal evidence and basically means nothing and thus shouldn't incite any anger.


Getting angered by that comment? Persecution complex in full effect here. I agree that some other comments are more hateful, but the extremely exclusive attitude of the competitive scene a few years ago caused that in first place, so "you reap what you sow" in full effect, I guess.

 

[MrSaturn99]

r/smashbros is now using the oxymoron "elitist casual" as a buzz word. Decided to unsubscribe before it becomes a shitshow like smashboards.

Strange day when weekend smash gaf is the best place for discussion.

Hahaha oh wow!

 

[Anura]

Casual vs competitive talk again? I won't bother getting involved. I've already made my stance known

 

[KuroPyonyo]

r/smashbros is now using the oxymoron "elitist casual" as a buzz word. Decided to unsubscribe before it becomes a shitshow like smashboards.

Oh yeah, because one thread has this in its title surley the complete subreddit is now using it. That sounds reasonable.

 

[Boss Doggie]

No vids of them though, the Pokemon?

 

[InsaneZero]

ah that he did but chrom also has other classes he has access to in his games which i do still think opens up some possibilities for his moveset to be honest

If you're talking about Lords with multiple weapon types Sigurd deserves a mention for being the only Lord to be able to wield lances and swords from the get go. He's also the only Lord to start off fully promoted and subjectively completely OP.

 

[-Horizon-]

Aww yeah I'm a casual. Come at me bro.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Competitively vs. Casual argument are not welcome here, so I request you to take it out of this thread and make thread based n Melee vs Brawl or Competitively vs Casual because I'm pretty sure that people would love to get involved with that. Also the discussion gotten very old.

weekend smashgaf is boring

Well, I don't think we would get a lot of new informations over the time with POTD but I'm not complaints since I really like the updates that way. Anyway I wonder if we are going to get low counts of stages this time due to split versions.

 

[Zubz]

Hahaha

I was like "who the fuck is that clinging to him"

Then I just saw it was Soren. Perfect.

Didn't even catch that. Nice!

Also...
64:
1. Wario
2. Bowser
3. Zelda
4. Mewtwo
5. Any NES Rep (Mac, Pit, Marth, etc.)

Melee:
1. Wario
2. Diddy
3. Mac
4. Banjo & Kazooie ( )
5. Samurai Goroh (Only because Ridley wasn't overarching yet so Metroid lacked a 2nd viable rep)

Brawl:
1. Mac
2. Villager
3. Ridley
4. Isaac
5. Samurai Goroh

SSB4 (May be over zealous but...)
1. Ridley
2. Isaac
3. Samurai Goroh
4. Dixie/K. Rool
5. Mona/Captain Syrup

 

[JediLink]

Can't say I disagree. Game obviously was primarily balanced with items in mind and 4 players as that's what most people play SSB like (how else can you explain moves like Falcon/Warlock punch which absolutely rule in 4 player matches but are beyond useless in 1vs1). I also agree with the statement that the better player still wins the majority of all games. Language is maybe a bit over the top, but it's a comment section and similar language also has been used from the other side - meh.

Him 'destroying' his friends using Advanced Techniques is anecdotal evidence and basically means nothing and thus shouldn't incite any anger.

Getting angered by that comment? Persecution complex in full effect here. I agree that some other comments are more hateful, but the extremely exclusive attitude of the competitive scene a few years ago caused that in first place, so "you reap what you sow" in full effect, I guess.

1. Falcon Punch is not useless in 1v1, unless you're talking about Brawl. In both Smash 64 and Melee there are reliable ways to combo into it.
2. What I'm angry at is ignorance. It's been like this ever since the beginning, even going way back to the "Smash isn't a fighting game" days.
3. Competitive Smash is a persecuted community compared to pretty much every other competitive fanbase aside from League of Legends (who are constantly attacked by DotA players). No other fanbase has this many flame wars.
4. "But the extremely exclusive attitude of the competitive scene a few years ago caused that in first place"? Blanket statements are no one's friend. There are competitive elitists just as much as there are casual elitists, and both are an unfortunate vocal minority.

 

[Beelzebufo]

I don't think we're on the same page here. This has nothing to do with Smash 4 or how the game should be made or anything like that. I'm talking about the general hatred of competitive Smash by the greater public. That's where the casual elitist talk is stemming from. This is the article that spurred everything. Prime example:



Oh, and you know what I mean when I say "casual". I'm talking about people who just play the game for fun and aren't into advanced tactics and all that jazz.

Yeah, I hate people who talk like that. Luckily nobody ever takes them seriously, so you can just kind of ignore them. Just let em blow off some steam.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

Has it been confirmed that Home-Run Contest is only in the 3DS version or not?

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

Has it been confirmed that Home-Run Contest is only in the 3DS version or not?

There's no reason why it'd be 3DS only. It's a series staple.

 

[random25]

Has it been confirmed that Home-Run Contest is only in the 3DS version or not?

I bet it will be a common mode in both versions. It ain't Smash without the home-run contest. It's my favorite extra mode in Smash.

 

[SliceSabre]

Has it been confirmed that Home-Run Contest is only in the 3DS version or not?

I should hope not as that'd be silly since its a staple mode of Smash.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

It ain't Smash without the home-run contest.

I guess Smash 64 ain't Smash.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

Sounds like some people didn't see the post that said something like "Home-Run Contest is a mode that will be in Smash Bros 3DS" or some such.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Sounds like some people didn't see the post that said something like "Home-Run Contest is a mode that will be in Smash Bros 3DS" or some such.

Well... It is. It'll probably be in WiiU too.

 

[SliceSabre]

Sounds like some people didn't see the post that said something like "Home-Run Contest is a mode that will be in Smash Bros 3DS" or some such.

Does it say exclusive to 3DS?

Here: "For Glory is a mode that will be in Smash Bros 3DS"
And here: "Smash Run is a mode that will be exclusive to Smash Bros 3DS"

 

[random25]

I guess Smash 64 ain't Smash.

Whoops. Forgot that one.

But ever since Melee, home-run has been a staple. Doubt it will be removed on the next Smash games (including cross-platforms like the current Smash).

 

[emb]

Whoops. Forgot that one.

But ever since Melee, home-run has been a staple. Doubt it will be removed on the next Smash games (including cross-platforms like the current Smash).

Yeah, needs to be in (and yes, I know it already is). We also really need character specific break the targets and board the platforms back.

 

[Tripon]

One day, you'll get that Santa Alt, Rosalina....

 

[-Horizon-]

One day, you'll get that Santa Alt, Rosalina....

I-its not real? ;-;

 

[Beelzebufo]

Where are those pictures from? I've never seen Rosalina with stars really pronounced like that.

 

[Mr. Smiley]

Where are those pictures from? I've never seen Rosalina with stars really pronounced like that.

I think it's a Brawl mod that alters the character's select screen portait, specifically of a fan rendition of her dress. Of course this is a high quality one. Santa Rosalina is surprisingly a popular one.

Or it could be fan art all together.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

As a competitive-American, I can't help but feel this oppression has gone too far

 

[MillionVolts]

No vids of them though, the Pokemon?

Petilil (lots of it)

Cyrogonal (@ 1:15)

Gastly (@ 2:20)

Haven't seen any footage of Koffing.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Ooooh!

Apparently Wii Fit Trainer yells "SALUTE THE SUN!" when she fires Sun Salutation.

She should hang out with Solaire.

Petilil (lots of it)

Cyrogonal (@ 1:15)

Gastly (@ 2:20)

Haven't seen any footage of Koffing.

Thanks

 

[Beelzebufo]

As a competitive-American, I can't help but feel this oppression has gone too far

That picture doesn't really work though, because its obviously not current. Anyone who's still playing Brawl online would have to be using some kind of hack, and anyone who cares enough about Smash to hack their game wouldn't seriously say that.

 

[BGBW]

That picture doesn't really work though, because its obviously not current. Anyone who's still playing Brawl online would have to be using some kind of hack, and anyone who cares enough about Smash to hack their game wouldn't seriously say that.

I hacked my game and I still believe real men use items.

Also C stickers go home.

 

[Beelzebufo]

I hacked my game and I still believe real men use items.

Also C stickers go home.

See, that's what I'm saying. It's clearly a joke.

 

[SliceSabre]

I hacked my game and I still believe real men use items.

Also C stickers go home.

But I'm already home.

 

[Azure J]

One day, you'll get that Santa Alt, Rosalina....

What is this from? :O

Edit: Oh I see. And yeah, I've wanted a Santa Rosalina alt ever since I saw Fire Rosalina in 3D World. :lol

Competitively vs. Casual argument are not welcome here, so I request you to take it out of this thread and make thread based n Melee vs Brawl or Competitively vs Casual because I'm pretty sure that people would love to get involved with that. Also the discussion gotten very old.

Not that I disagree with the intent behind this declaration (to prevent thread shitting from people who get just a bit too heated on both sides), but as these threads have sort of taken on aspects of being both hype threads for Smash 4 and a general Super Smash Bros. NeoGAF community thread, I'd hope that we could actually talk about these things so long as people remain respectful. Splintering or stifling the discussion just feels counterproductive.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Try being a male heterosexual, white, conservative Christian competitive Smash player.

The oppression I face on a daily basis from society as a whole is unimaginable.

 

[Beelzebufo]

What is this from? :O



Not that I disagree with the intent behind this declaration (to prevent thread shitting from people who get just a bit too heated on both sides), but as these threads have sort of taken on aspects of being both hype threads for Smash 4 and a general Super Smash Bros. NeoGAF community thread, I'd hope that we could actually talk about these things so long as people remain respectful. Splintering or stifling the discussion just feels counterproductive.

Yeah, if we get rid of that, we might as well make people stop posting about tournaments as well.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Petilil (lots of it)

Cyrogonal (@ 1:15)

Gastly (@ 2:20)

Haven't seen any footage of Koffing.

Could swear I saw Koffing during the Treehouse E3 livestream.

EDIT:
Ah right. Look at 15:40.
http://youtu.be/bvux2dfsNEk?t=15m40s

Also at 16:30.
http://youtu.be/bvux2dfsNEk?t=16m30s

 

[Next]

r/smashbros is now using the oxymoron "elitist casual" as a buzz word. Decided to unsubscribe before it becomes a shitshow like smashboards.

Strange day when weekend smash gaf is the best place for discussion.

the "5 gods" thing is the most anoying thing tho

 

[Tripon]

Time to play some games.

 

[Moonlight]

the "5 gods" thing is the most anoying thing tho

Why? Every fighting game has its' gods, Street Fighter for instance has 'Japan's five gods' as well. It's not like anyone's worshipping them, it's short-hand for the most skilled players of the game.

 

[Durden77]

Stupid fucking calender telling me October is 4 months away and shit.

 

[Next]

Why? Every fighting game has its' gods, Street Fighter for instance has 'Japan's five gods' as well. It's not like anyone's worshipping them, it's short-hand for the most skilled players of the game.

I dunno, I don't follow any other gaming competitive communities. It just sounds incredibly lame as when people use it seriously in a sentence. "Top 5" does the same thing and doesn't sound lame at all.

 

[Mr. Smiley]

Try being a male heterosexual, white, conservative Christian competitive Smash player.

The oppression I face on a daily basis from society as a whole is unimaginable.

tell us about da struggle

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Competitively vs. Casual argument are not welcome here, so I request you to take it out of this thread and make thread based n Melee vs Brawl or Competitively vs Casual because I'm pretty sure that people would love to get involved with that. Also the discussion gotten very old.

Just because you make the topic doesn't mean you have a right to direct discussion like you are "the boss" of this thread or something. Unless the mods explicitly come in here and tell us to knock it off I think we can self-regulate our discussions just fine.

 

[Anura]

Man this is reminding me how hard it is to find online matches in PM... It was hard before but now it's a nightmare

 

[MrSaturn99]

Stupid fucking calender telling me October is 4 months away and shit.

Three, actually! Two if you're in Japan. Can you believe it?

 

[Karsticles]

Competitively vs. Casual argument are not welcome here, so I request you to take it out of this thread and make thread based n Melee vs Brawl or Competitively vs Casual because I'm pretty sure that people would love to get involved with that. Also the discussion gotten very old.

Is there legitimate authority behind this statement?

 

[SenorArdilla]

It feels like four if you're counting in days.

 

[Kriken]

I hacked my game and I still believe real men use items.

Also C stickers go home.

Real men don't use X or Y to jump