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[NeonZ]

Mewtwo likely will get some other big appearance too, since we still haven't gotten Mewtwo X animated.

I thought DLC was dismissed last year? Is there indications that there's going to be DLC now?

The last part of the Gematsu rumor mentioned that there's probably going to be DLC.

 

[Weltall Zero]

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Excuse me, in what way was he "verbally shitting on you"?

 

[Toxi]

Legendary? Probably not. Pokemon? Definitely. And even then I'd argue Arceus got more notoriety due to being seen as "Pokemon Jesus" or something.

First off, lol IGN and lolDorkly

Second, you just kinda proved my point. He was like, a star on the first movie and a closing (and more stupid - the more you think about it) special episode. So afterwards it was like... forgotten. Then it got a movie... which quickly was insignificant to what Charizard X and Lucario got.

Hell, Sinnoh got a trilogy!

LOL if you're serious. There is no way Arceus is more well-known than Mewtwo. Pokemon back when the First Movie was released was at an insane level of popularity that it never reached again.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Gematsu leak claims that they're considering it.

It was leaked that post-launch character DLC is planned. We don't know if it'll be cut characters (Lucas probably), new characters (Inkling), or ones that have rising in importance since planning (Dixie).

 

[SmithnCo]

Second, you just kinda proved my point. He was like, a star on the first movie and a closing (and more stupid - the more you think about it) special episode. So afterwards it was like... forgotten. Then it got a movie... which quickly was insignificant to what Charizard X and Lucario got.

Hell, Sinnoh got a trilogy!

Sounds like anecdotal evidence to me.

 

[Myn]

Gematsu leak claims that they're considering it.

The last part of the Gematsu rumor mentioned that there's probably going to be DLC.

Ahh, okay cool. I didn't think it would be in Smash's nature for post-release characters via DLC but I'm for it if it means more characters down the road.

 

[Ryce]

First off, lol IGN and lolDorkly

Second, you just kinda proved my point. He was like, a star on the first movie and a closing (and more stupid - the more you think about it) special episode. So afterwards it was like... forgotten. Then it got a movie... which quickly was insignificant to what Charizard X and Lucario got.

Is "lol IGN and lolDorkly" supposed to dismiss those surveys? Mewtwo consistently ranks in the top five of just about any poll on the Internet. I don't think I'm saying anything controversial -- I'm sure everyone here would agree that Mewtwo is an incredibly popular and iconic Pokémon. It's unique in having starred in two movies over a decade apart, and it shares the distinction with Charizard of having two Mega Evolutions.

 

[Toxi]

I preferred Melee's approach of including original models for the series' most popular characters as well as a bunch of miscellaneous/retro characters. It makes them seem more meaningful -- the "let's just rip models from existing games" approach strikes me as lazily superfluous. There was somehow more weight to Melee's trophies. I cared about unlocking them and reading their descriptions.

I don't know. If the original models look nice, why not? I can understand making new trophies for retro characters, but it's now like a model from a Wii U game looks bad.

 

[Hatchtag]

Ahh, okay cool. I didn't think it would be in Smash's nature for post-release characters via DLC but I'm for it if it means more characters down the road.

Yeah, I'm expecting it. They're going to need the keep the game alive in a different way this time around due to the Amiibos. I'm guessing DLC will be part of their way of doing that.

 

[DaBoss]

Can't have Pokemon talk without ranking stuff. Of course.

Smash 4 SDI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KQYRSJJ3O0

So it may be back?

From the same uploader: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tod2xaU4Oa8

First time seeing a Pikmin pick an item on its own. Cool.

Oh, that's a smart strategy, throw the Pikmin on to the stage and then use his recovery. He would still have that Pikmin alive, but it won't increase Olimar's weight when using his up special.

Kirby looks very nice to play as.

To be fair, DI code is pretty complex, the E3 demo was still freezing, I doubt they would enable DI for it, if the basic engine is still bugged.

Most of my software are 1000 line max, and I wouldn't allow anyone to use it before I finish it.

Game demos are problematic.. Most of the functions are unfinished, and normally full of bugs.
And, many consumers may think that the final product will be similar..

Demos are unfinished by definition.. Its unfair to judge a game based on a demo

DI was in the demo. SDI is something else. It should be known as positional influence or something. In the video, you see ZSS moving around while still being hit.

People said SDI wasn't possible at all at the E3 demo.

 

[Save 'N Quit]

I'm purely guessing with these.

But I'm under the impression that for all the height that up smash of Palutena can reach, it won't be that damaging of a move.

And I can easily see Heavenly Light being one of her more useless moves if she can't cancel out of it fast enough.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Did you folks see the Charizard vs Mewtwo battle in Pokemon Origins?

Hmm... no, Mewtwo isn't cool or popular or anything like that.

Spoiler

What am I reading, Arceus more popular? Oh lawd. Mewtwo is probably one of the most well known legendary Pokemon, if not the most well known. He IS legendary Pokemon

 

[Fireblend]

This is my weekly post clamoring for Ness or Lucas to return. Move on, nothing to see here.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I thought DLC was dismissed last year? Is there indications that there's going to be DLC now?

Well, Sakurai only said,

“At the current time we have no plans. I consider my job at this point, and my main responsibility, to make the Wii U and 3DS versions the best and the fullest experience possible. That said, once finished, it’s the type of thing we could take into consideration, but for now, you could consider DLC as not being in the cards.”

Gematsu leak claims that they're considering it.

Well, I know that the rumor/leak aren't 100% in the stone, but did leaker said that they are planning for DLC characters, so that meant DLC characters are 100% confirmation because he wasn't happy with the plan.

I preferred Melee's approach of including original models for the series' most popular characters as well as a bunch of miscellaneous/retro characters. It makes them seem more meaningful -- the "let's just rip models from existing games" approach strikes me as lazily superfluous. There was somehow more weight to Melee's trophies. I cared about unlocking them and reading their descriptions.

Same here. I really appreciate those retro trophies, such as Duck Hunt's Ducks, Pit, Mach Rider, etc.

 

[Ryce]

I don't know. If the original models look nice, why not? I can understand making new trophies for retro characters, but it's now like a model from a Wii U game looks bad.

I thought Brawl's trophies were handled very poorly -- there were only a few original models, and recent Wii/GameCube games were grossly overrepresented since the models were just pulled from the source. Dozens of trophies taken from Wind Waker and Twilight Princess did not adequately represent the Zelda series. My favorite Melee trophies were the retro characters, and Brawl didn't have any of those (outside of the three or four retro Assist Trophies).

 

[Myn]

Yeah, I'm expecting it. They're going to need the keep the game alive in a different way this time around due to the Amiibos. I'm guessing DLC will be part of their way of doing that.

I really hope the Amiibos carry custom move sets, if I recall the only thing they showed about them at e3 was that you could import the character trophy in the game to help you fight.

If not, I suppose the 3DS could import them to the Wii U version, but it seems more intuitive to just place a figurine on the main controller and have it automatically import.

 

[The Bankslammer]

but how else was i supposed to learn the backstory behind donkey kong: barrel blast characters?

 

[SmithnCo]

but how else was i supposed to learn the backstory behind donkey kong: barrel blast characters?

I really enjoyed reading about the rich lore of the crocodile with an afro.

 

[Beelzebufo]

I thought Brawl's trophies were handled very poorly -- there were only a few original models, and recent Wii/GameCube games were grossly overrepresented since the models were just pulled from the source. Dozens of trophies taken from Wind Waker and Twilight Princess did not adequately represent the Zelda series. My favorite Melee trophies were the retro characters, and Brawl didn't have any of those (outside of the three or four retro Assist Trophies).

Has there been any indication that we might get something more like Melee? All the ones off the top of my head remind me of Brawl (Saria from OoT3D, Mac from Captain Rainbow, Wonder Red, etc)

 

[IntelliHeath]

Has there been any indication that we might get something more like Melee? All the ones off the top of my head remind me of Brawl (Saria from OoT3D, Mac from Captain Rainbow, Wonder Red, etc)

We haven't seen any unique trophies that are not from Wii/Wii U/DS/3DS era, so we have to wait and see.

 

[Ahnez]

I preferred Melee's approach of including original models for the series' most popular characters as well as a bunch of miscellaneous/retro characters. It makes them seem more meaningful -- the "let's just rip models from existing games" approach strikes me as lazily superfluous. There was somehow more weight to Melee's trophies. I cared about unlocking them and reading their descriptions.

While I really like melee trophies for this reason, its really impossible now to create such a massive amount of models just for trophies.

I mean, melee trophies are very low poly, and can be created pretty fast, unlike Wii U models, that easily have over 100x more polygons.. Its simple not worth the development costs..

 

[Azure J]

I thought DLC was dismissed last year? Is there indications that there's going to be DLC now?

DLC was never dismissed, but the recent Sal Romano leak/musings mention that the guy/gal giving information says Nintendo is actively planning a DLC campaign of sorts for Smash 4. It's a move said leaker considered "greedy" but fuck that if it means more shit for Smash over the course of the generation versus waiting another six years for the next one.

 

[IntelliHeath]

For people who want to read third leak;

Hey, guys.

Funny that this page is talking about a new e-mail, because that's exactly why I'm here. Received one last night, but missed it in the mix of all this crazy E3 coverae.

But there's not much new about it, so I didn't think it was worth posting on the site.

I'll leave what it says here, though, in case you guys can use it in any way.

Basically, I was told that:

- Last E3 before game's launch (obviously)
- Participating characters: Pac-Man, Mii Fighter, Goddess Palutena, Shulk, Chrom, Chorus Men (none of these are new, obv, so I take he means these are the participating characters for E3?)
- There has been internal debate about keeping Lucas versus Ness, apparently Lucas is likely to get the cut
- Nintendo is planning post-launch character DLC, source doesn't like this as he thinks it's greedy

And that's it. This E3 should make or break whether this guy's the real deal. Let's hope for the best! =)

Sound like he practically confirmed DLC character.

 

[Ryce]

On second thought, I'm probably selling the team short -- Assist Trophies are technically new trophies as well, only they're much more useful in that they serve a gameplay purpose.

 

[Myn]

I'm actually stoked for custom move sets, people think it's dumb and broken but it seems like they're balancing moves so that they have tradeoffs. I remember Mario's fireballs, his first custom one is a multi-hit giant one that has a longer startup and travels slower, and his other is fast but travels in a straight line with no range. Depending on what everyone's custom moves are, people could create move sets that fit their play style with the character best, it makes the game deeper in that regards.

If Smash 4 ever has a competitive scene I'd assume that custom move sets will probably be banned, which I wouldn't see why since it adds a layer of creativity to competition, and would be a perk that Melee or Brawl doesn't have.

 

[Loco4Coco]

I see alot of new juniors in SmashGAF lately, all these new sacrifices for Sakurai.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Except that it has been wrong before.
He never mentioned Rosalina.
The first post said we'd get 6 newcomers at E3 2013. We got 3. Little Mac later in a Direct and the remaining 2 in this year's E3. People seem to like to ignore this fact, but it is there.
The second post said "Pokemon from X/Y", but that statement is so ambiguous and I don't believe that it was because of Greninja's development history - if he supposedly can pinpoint Chorus Men, why not Greninja?
Also, do we know for sure he said "Mii Fighter", as a single name, with a capitalized F? Because to me, it seems easy to mistake that with "We're gonna get a Mii fighter", since well, all the characters in this game are fighters. What if he was referring to it like "a fighter from a series"?

The remaining characters (Palutena, Chrom, Shulk) are pretty safe guesses, too, so even these characters being confirmed wouldn't mean to me that the rumor is legit.

Ugh. This post ... How is it that if you leak a portion of the roster you're automatically wrong because you didn't leak the whole thing. In that case Brawls legitimate leaks are retroactively false according to you.

 

[Hatchtag]

For people who want to read third leak;



Sound like he practically confirmed DLC character.

Says they're planning. Plans can go through. The other things he lists, the characters, those are more concrete, since they ship with the game. While I'm sure that this game will have DLC, it could easily not and he'd still be able to be right, since he only said they were planning it.

I see alot of new juniors in SmashGAF lately, all these new sacrifices for Sakurai.

I already got juniored once for Smash lol.

 

[Anura]

I see alot of new juniors in SmashGAF lately, all these new sacrifices for Sakurai.

We we're getting closer and closer to release if you can believe it! Hype levels are rising! It's also been a surprisingly long time now that I think of it...

 

[Boss Doggie]

LOL if you're serious. There is no way Arceus is more well-known than Mewtwo. Pokemon back when the First Movie was released was at an insane level of popularity that it never reached again.

Not "I know that character" popular, but more of an off-hand quotation like "oh it's pokemon jesus" even though they don't know Arceus, if you get my proof.

Also 90's fad. Nothing new.

Sounds like anecdotal evidence to me.

Not more different than how people overrate Mewtwo's popularity.

Is "lol IGN and lolDorkly" supposed to dismiss those surveys? Mewtwo consistently ranks in the top five of just about any poll on the Internet. I don't think I'm saying anything controversial -- I'm sure everyone here would agree that Mewtwo is an incredibly popular and iconic Pokémon. It's unique in having starred in two movies over a decade apart, and it shares the distinction with Charizard of having two Mega Evolutions.

Regional/subject bias. Yeah it is popular that's a given, but it's reaching to the "lol 150 is only iconic" perspective and forgetting how stuff works outside the western viewpoint. You know, said viewpoint that think Lucario solely got popular due to a movie and is a "flavor of the month". My point is not that "it isn't popular", but how apparently it holds a throne. Mind you that GF immediately threw the idea of "double mega forms" the moment they realized they could milk a far more succulent cow (in this case, a lizard).

 

[Village]

LOL if you're serious. There is no way Arceus is more well-known than Mewtwo. Pokemon back when the First Movie was released was at an insane level of popularity that it never reached again.

Arceus,nah.

But is mewtwo as popular as he once was?I don't think so, not to mean or anything but his stuff doesn't seem to get as much traction anymore.Dude got two mega evo's the crowd goes mild. Regular pokemon get megas peeps go apeshit.

Not saying he is stunkfisk teir,but don't be suprised if he isn't in smash. He might be pokemon's gambit, peeps might not be into that anymore. It ain't the 90's anymore. Some made it charizard made it.

You remeber that pic that they drew as soon as mega's got revealed with lucario fighting mewtwo. That was the most ,probably unintentional, old god new god split have seen in a pokemon picture.

 

[random25]

Oh, that's a smart strategy, throw the Pikmin on to the stage and then use his recovery. He would still have that Pikmin alive, but it won't increase Olimar's weight when using his up special.

Kirby looks very nice to play as.

I really like these Kirby moves, and if the impressions of the pros who tried Smash Wii U are true, then this is the return of Kirby to a higher tier/bracket.

And the dair utilt combos shown for Kirby are really cool.

 

[Beelzebufo]

If Smash 4 ever has a competitive scene I'd assume that custom move sets will probably be banned, which I wouldn't see why since it adds a layer of creativity to competition, and would be a perk that Melee or Brawl doesn't have.

Because everyone's assuming it'd be hell to set up for every match

 

[RomanceDawn]

We we're getting closer and closer to release if you can believe it! Hype levels are rising! It's also been a surprisingly long time now that I think of it...

Yeah I know! My daughter was born on March 23rd 2012 when Kid Icarus was released. From that day on all I could think about was how I was going to restructure life with the baby and wondering what was going on with Smash development.

Just a few short months for the 3DS version and I am hyped to high Heavan! It's not like I'm just going to out it down when the Wii U version comes out either, I'm going to be as competitive as possible with both.

And as far as I'm concerned we are definitely getting DLC.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

I was thinking..

Looks like we may get a lot more trophies this time. And they dont need to create the models, as they already have tons of models to use.

So, whats your opinion about trophies?

Spoiler

700+ trophies just for Pokes

I wanted to have a conversation like this like thirty pages ago and everyone ignored me. </3

But I actually also have feelings about this matter, so I'll quote myself as to try to revitalize this topic.

There were two things in Brawl that I really hated compared to Melee: Event Matches and Trophies.

Melee's Event Matches had you fighting unusual battles under unusual circumstances and sometimes on unusual stages. Event Matches were unique and in many cases did not have conditions that could be replicated outside the specific event match. I really loved that, they were fun and exciting and I looked forward to the next crazy battle.

Brawl's Event Matches were not like that. They were almost all just... Regular battles. Brawl is jam-packed with cut corners but this one upsets me to this day. I really want Smash 4 to bring back crazy interesting Event Matches that feel like fun fan mods.

The other thing I've always disliked were that with all the trophies that Brawl had they were almost all model rips from the most recent games in a series. There were no interesting retro trophies or cool renders, or very few anyway (Elite Beat Agents stands out). Melee's trophies were nostalgic for older gamers and informative to newer ones. I got to see things I had never seen before, characters from games I had never heard of, and 3D models for characters that had never been seen beyond their sprites.

This is really different in Brawl, where everything is from Barrel Blast and Twilight Princess and the entire Mother series only has four trophies that aren't linked to fighters.

There is always lots of talk about changes from Brawl's multiplayer that people want changed, and that's really important. But Brawl also had A LOT of lackluster content, even compared to it's predecessors. You can blame time constraints all you want, but for as long as they worked on that game with two delays it is pretty absurd the way so many things were implemented. ESPECIALLY since the SSE was already a failed alpha of Kirby Wii. It's like Brawl had no original content at all, just tons and tons of material compiled from other games.

Those two things though would go a really long way for me.

 

[Anth0ny]

Mewtwo is easily a top 5 most popular Pokemon of all time, to argue otherwise is crazy.

 

[SmithnCo]

Not more different than how people overrate Mewtwo's popularity.

The whole argument is going to go in circles then, if neither side can prove how popular/not popular a character is. At least until the game comes out and he ain't in.

 

[Azure J]

Mewtwo is easily a top 5 most popular Pokemon of all time, to argue otherwise is crazy.

Yeah. This isn't even a "muh nostalgia" thing either. To underrate the Pokemon is silly.

Disclaimer: This isn't to say he's a lock for 4's roster however.

 

[Boss Doggie]

While I understand the grief on trophies, I wouldn't be too harsh on them. It's kind of a given seeing how there weren't that much 3d models to use during Melee era.

Arceus,nah.

But is mewtwo as popular as he once was?I don't think so, not to mean or anything but his stuff doesn't seem to get as much traction anymore.Dude got two mega evo's the crowd goes mild. Regular pokemon get megas peeps go apeshit.

Not saying he is stunkfisk teir,but don't be suprised if he isn't in smash. He might be pokemon's gambit, peeps might be into that anymore. It ain't the 90's anymore. Some made it charizard made it.

You remeber that pic that they drew as soon as mega's got revealed with lucario fighting mewtwo. That was the most ,probably unintentional, old god new god split have seen in a pokemon picture.

People misinterpret what I meant by Arceus lol

But this post gets it.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

It's like Brawl had no original content at all, just tons and tons of material compiled from other games.

How to make people ignore your point in one easy step!

 

[Finale Fireworker]

Mewtwo is easily a top 5 most popular Pokemon of all time, to argue otherwise is crazy.

What separates Mewtwo from other Pokémon is that Mewtwo is an actual character, not just a creature for battling. He has a backstory and a personality and feelings. He's actually just Frankenstein, but that really works for me. Mary Shelley's Frankenstein as portrayed in her original novel is nothing like any stage or film version of Frankenstein we've really ever seen. Mewtwo is actually a really great adaptation of that character into the Pokémon universe.

How to make people ignore your point in one easy step!

Hey, if you have a counter point, make it. I said it was like it did, it was hyperbole for emphasis.

 

[Hatchtag]

Mewtwo is easily a top 5 most popular Pokemon of all time, to argue otherwise is crazy.

Yeah, I got to agree. Pikachu, Charizard, Mewtwo, and Lucario are easily the top 4 most popular in my eyes. Past that it'd be really hard to determine who beats out who.

 

[PadWarrior]

I gotta finish y and capture mewtwo this week.

 

[georly]

DI was in the demo. SDI is something else. It should be known as positional influence or something. In the video, you see ZSS moving around while still being hit.

People said SDI wasn't possible at all at the E3 demo.

Correct. SDI is different. Here's a gif showing what it is.

It allows you to move during freeze frames.

 

[Kriken]

Correct. SDI is different. Here's a gif showing what it is.

It allows you to move during freeze frames.

Floating Zombie Snake needs to be in Smash 4

 

[Myn]

Because everyone's assuming it'd be hell to set up for every match

Which is why I'm hoping the Amiibo has a thing where you can import custom character data quickly, like on the versus screen, just pop the figurine onto the console and select a profile. In theory that would take up about as much if not less time it takes to do a button check in traditional fighting games.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I already got juniored once for Smash lol.

I was curious with what you did. Now I see why. Damn!

 

[NeonZ]

Has there been any indication that we might get something more like Melee? All the ones off the top of my head remind me of Brawl (Saria from OoT3D, Mac from Captain Rainbow, Wonder Red, etc)

Tiki had an original trophy shown in the Smash Direct, showing both her human and dragon forms with models more detailed than the ones in Awakening.

Edit: Thinking about it, considering how it seems to be an exception, maybe that actually is a hint at Chrom being a summoner type character that calls other units with his special attacks!

 

[Loco4Coco]

I already got juniored once for Smash lol.

Was it worth it? lol

 

[Gartooth]

Mewtwo is easily a top 5 most popular Pokemon of all time, to argue otherwise is crazy.

Exactly. I think people are just trying to rationalize the (frankly) weird decision to not bring back Mewtwo for Smash Bros. Of course people saying Mewtwo isn't popular are even more irrational. He's the only Pokemon aside from Charizard to get two Megas, and was the face of legendary Pokemon during the series height of popularity.