Evolution 2014 Thread 2: Evil doesn't prevail July 13th - Final day

Loved playing Rose on Vanilla SF4, but holy shit.

Louffy's Rose was like none other, plus all of those mind games and gutsy performance he was doing was INSANE.
 
It's already faster than Brawl, so that helps. It doesn't have to be Melee fast or faster to be good. The main gripe with the E3/Best Buy build is the landing lag & the large amount of recovery frames.

Well competitively speaking, in many circles Brawl just doesn't exist. In this crowd I think U is going to be compared against Melee, not Brawl.
 
Secret highlight would be whenever Fchamp used repulsion on stream. He used it on a Haggar player in pools, and he used it in the finals. People getting angry at that is priceless.
 
As a Rose user, that's my first thought, but there's really nothing to worry about. They finally buffed her to where she's competitive, but not unfair, imho. Luffy won by playing out of his mind.

What was the next lowest-finishing Rose?

It makes me happy to see a character loyalist win Evo.

Also nice to see not a single Fei Long in GF
 
Rose isn't gonna get nerfed just because a bunch of people are going to flood online. She isn't OP, she's been strictly mid-tier at best even with the Ultra buffs. Like Kadey said, it was a Louffy-only affair, it's not anything about her character specifically that'd warrant nerfing.

Well Filipinoman did well.. Not OP but come on.. Mid Tier? I doubt that now tbh..
 
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As a Rose user, that's my first thought, but there's really nothing to worry about. They finally buffed her to where she's competitive, but not unfair, imho. Luffy won by playing out of his mind.

What was the next lowest-finishing Rose?

It makes me happy to see a character loyalist win Evo.

NOTHING IS SAFE

Incoming 33% chance of slipping on a backdash for rose.
 
Yeah, Rose is my main too, so it's amazing that Rose could win EVO... man. Louffy you are too real. Now I have to get better at my character... =(

Also a pad warrior. I'm not sure how I feel about Mad Catz pads though, even though it's what I use. I've still got an old Saturn USB pad that I like but it's really hard to get it configured.
 
Rose isn't gonna get nerfed just because a bunch of people are going to flood online. She isn't OP, she's been strictly mid-tier at best even with the Ultra buffs. Like Kadey said, it was a Louffy-only affair, it's not anything about her character specifically that'd warrant nerfing.

Yea huh just like Gen didn't get nerfed for no reason after winning Evo....oh wait.
 
It's already faster than Brawl, so that helps. It doesn't have to be Melee fast or faster to be good. The main gripe with the E3/Best Buy build is the landing lag & the large amount of recovery frames.

At least this time they'll have the ability to patch it and make adjustments over time.

And the online should work properly!
 
I don't want to seem like I'm taking away from Louffy's win. But winning EVO also involves a lot of luck. Sure the guys he took out were real good, but he's also fortunate to avoid some of his worse match ups like Gamerbee who got knocked out before top 8, Ricky who got taken out by Snake Eyez, and Poongko who probably was sitting at home watching this like us. Tokido use to beat him all the time, but DWU was probably a game changer in their match up. His run was amazing, but with a game like SF4 that is match up heavy now, luck is also a factor.

And Xian didn't face Daigo (who he lost to 10-0 like a month after) or Infiltration last year. It happens. Doesn't change anything though. You could say the same for anyone who wins this thing.
 
Well Filipinoman did well.. Not OP but come on.. Mid Tier? I doubt that now tbh..

Well it's tough. I don't think anyone really scrutinized Rose's buffs all that closely since up until this weekend nobody really cared about her. Maybe now that she's in the spotlight people are going pick apart the buffs and maybe it'll surface that she is, indeed, OP. But at the very least before Ultra she was mid-tier.
 
The Justin Wong win at EVO makes it so that there were unique characters.players in all of the EVO winners for UMVC3.

EVO#1: Viscant w/ Wesker/Haggar/Phoenix
EVO#2: FChamp w/ Magneto/Dormammu/Doom
EVO#3: Flocker w/ Zero/Vergil/Hawkeye
EVO#4: Justin w/ Wolverine/Storm/Akuma


Next EVO Yipes or Nemo have to win to keep the pattern going!

Scrubeks and kbr got this, if nemo and yipes don't!!!!!
 
Well it's tough. I don't think anyone really scrutinized Rose's buffs all that closely since up until this weekend nobody really cared about her. Maybe now that she's in the spotlight people are going pick apart the buffs and maybe it'll surface that she is, indeed, OP. But at the very least before Ultra she was mid-tier.

Oh yeah, prior to ultra that was 100% true.. But when you looked at the character changes there was a lot of hype about the Rose buffs..
 
Namco is working with them so it should be okay. And so what the game is slower it can still be good. Just give it a chance.

Eh, I'm not so sure - the devs who were assigned to work on Smash Brawl were apparently avid Melee fans themselves, but in the end Sakurai had insisted on the slower play, tripping and the movement towards casual play. Devs can't do much if it goes against Sakurai's vision.
 
As a Rose user, that's my first thought, but there's really nothing to worry about. They finally buffed her to where she's competitive, but not unfair, imho. Luffy won by playing out of his mind.

What was the next lowest-finishing Rose?

It makes me happy to see a character loyalist win Evo.

I don't think Rose is too good overall. Just very good and extremely annoying against other fireball zoners. I feel for Bonchan because I feel helpless to when I face a decent Rose with my Evil Ryu. She's going to have U2, she's going to have Super every round when I face her. I don't want to give her meter, but I can't just stop throwing fireballs or she'll have more of her way against me.

Personally I've always wanted her meter gain to go down when she absorbs and throws fireballs. Not that I think they'll do it, or they should. But maybe I'll start working on my Seth again if I start seeing more Rose's online.

And Xian didn't face Daigo (who he lost to 10-0 like a month after) or Infiltration last year. It happens. Doesn't change anything though. You could say the same for anyone who wins this thing.

I know, I wanted to make excuses for Daigo losing to F. Champ a few days ago(No excuses for losing to Choi though) because Sim is hard for shoto's in general. I'm just a bit salty about Rose winning because she's also a nightmare for my character.
 
Eh, I'm not so sure - the devs who were assigned to work on Smash Brawl were apparently avid Melee fans themselves, but in the end Sakurai had insisted on the slower play, tripping and the movement towards casual play. Devs can't do much if it goes against Sakurai's vision.

I don't think I can take another year of Brawl, just switch to Smash Wii U.
 
I'd say tiers are way more important in Marvel than Street Fighter. I don't think we'll ever see a Frank West, Phoenix Wright, and Ghost Rider team in the top 8.

Fucking Zangief made it into the top 5. Shit, what if a Hugo player makes it to the top? What if Snake Eyez mained Hugo next year?
 
Was he doing 1-frame links often? As a Street Fighter noob, 1-frame links make me afraid to try the game.

I hear there is a trick on pad to doing it.. And once you practice enough, you can get it consistently.. Also using both, I feel like raw dogging those links(non plink) are slightly easier on pad.
 
The Justin Wong win at EVO makes it so that there were unique characters.players in all of the EVO winners for UMVC3.

EVO#1: Viscant w/ Wesker/Haggar/Phoenix
EVO#2: FChamp w/ Magneto/Dormammu/Doom
EVO#3: Flocker w/ Zero/Vergil/Hawkeye
EVO#4: Justin w/ Wolverine/Storm/Akuma


Next EVO Yipes or Nemo have to win to keep the pattern going!

Didn't champ win some matches with Phoenix?
 
I don't want to seem like I'm taking away from Louffy's win. But winning EVO also involves a lot of luck. Sure the guys he took out were real good, but he's also fortunate to avoid some of his worse match ups like Gamerbee who got knocked out before top 8, Ricky who got taken out by Snake Eyez, and Poongko who probably was sitting at home watching this like us. Tokido use to beat him all the time, but DWU was probably a game changer in their match up. His run was amazing, but with a game like SF4 that is match up heavy now, luck is also a factor.

whatever dude.

Just in case anyone wants to know, this is who Luffy had to beat

W - CafeID|Such (USA)
W - TBG|Kid Kamikaze (USA)
W - DSC|Sonoyono (USA)
W - TIC|Zicca (MEX)
W - Dcade (CAN?)
W - UTJ (USA)
L - RZR|Xian (SNG)
W - Tokido (JPN)
W - Misse (JPN)
W - MCZ|Mago (JPN)
W - Eita (JPN)
W - FGC|Pugera (JPN)
W - EG|Momochi (JPN)
W - RZR|Gackt (SNG)
W - RG|Snake Eyez (USA)
W - Fuudo (JPN)
W - Bonchan (JPN)
W - Bonchan (JPN)
That's crazy. fucking crazy .
 
Rose's meter gain via fireball absorb is ridiculously OP. She gains half a bar per absorb and completely destroys the zoning game of fireball characters. Louffy had Super like 90% of the time fighting Bonchan.

Shit is stupid.
 
Eh, I'm not so sure - the devs who were assigned to work on Smash Brawl were apparently avid Melee fans themselves, but in the end Sakurai had insisted on the slower play, tripping and the movement towards casual play. Devs can't do much if it goes against Sakurai's vision.

You seem to be missing the fact that Nintendo finally picked up on how good the competitive scene is for Smash. They had a Reggie video before the top 8 this year so maybe they are listening for a change. Like I said give them a chance and quit being so negative about it. I doubt they'll put tripping in the game again.
 
Was he doing 1-frame links often? As a Street Fighter noob, 1-frame links make me afraid to try the game.

cr.lk, cr.mp and cl.mk, cr.mp are the main links she uses and if you plink they are pretty easy. I'm not sure of the frame data so I couldn't tell you if they were one-framers or not.

Links are really not that bad once you start to get a feel for the game and learn how to plink. I had a hard time doing links for the longest time but ever since I learned to plink they've become so much easier.
 
Rose's meter gain via fireball absorb is ridiculously OP. She gains half a bar per absorb and completely destroys the zoning game of fireball characters. Louffy had Super like 90% of the time fighting Bonchan.

Shit is stupid.

ya, her meter gain is out of control.

meanwhile, Guile will never get his meter gain from Super back. :/
 
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