He's obnoxious, alright.
2014 FIFA World Cup Final |OT| Germany defeats Argentina 1-0 after extra time
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In Sinclair's addled brain, this is apparently a clear goal scoring opportunity.
Great jokelol not working. what are we, southern europe?
CheDominik
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Yellow card and indirect free kick. There is no reason that his knee should be that high. That he got a free kick was really fucked up, but in the end Argentina has nobody but themselves to blame, they missed two fucking sitters.
Wind's Howling
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It should have definitely been a card, though. He goes for the ball but it is dangerous play. Extremely dangerous play.
Locke Lamora
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What a psychopath. Kramer could have broken his jaw!
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LiquidMetal14
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Argentina throw in but no penalty.
Vicetrailia
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Oh wie ist das schön!
PdotMichael
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That's not how dangerous play works.
is Germany still celebrating their illegitimate win?
Should have been red card and penalty.
That was fucking insane.
It should be a yellow card not a red card.
Also couldn't this be an indirect Free kick in the penalty box for dangerous play?
CheDominik
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Yep agreed, although it seems that refs have abolished the indirect free kick in the box for dangerous play. Haven't seen one in years.
As many said before, goalies are trained to catch the ball that way. There was literally no way he could have caught that ball without colliding with Higuain.
he played the ball in his own penalty zone.
is Germany still celebrating their illegitimate win?
Should have been red card and penalty.
Also, how about the foul against Kramer in the penalty zone by PLAYERS?
He later said he can't remember anything in the first half time and has a concussion.
PdotMichael
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gundamkyoukai
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Want to say goodbye to the thread and you guys it has been a great WC and i will see you guys for EURO 2016 .
john whiteguy84
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Why should it be a card, or foul at all? No malicious intent, beat him to the ball, was inside the penalty area... It was simply 2 guys going 100 percent for a 50/50 ball
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NinjaFridge
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The fact that he got back up straight away and started shouting at the ref didn't help his case.
And players are trained to dive. It doesn't make it right.
I am surprised that Higuain stood up after that hit.
Wait a minute... thinking about it I think you are right.
This is how they train German goalkeepers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGq7VcaHoqo
he played the ball in his own penalty zone.
Also, how about the foul against Kramer in the penalty zone by PLAYERS?
He later said he can't remember anything in the first half time and has a concussion.
That was not a foul, nor dangerous play. He did not move his shoulder towards his face.
Skyfireblaze
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Yeah, that would be in about 16 hours and 40 minutes from now on if my math is right
Ehh, can't agree. I think that it was a pretty clear case of damned if you do, damned if you don't
Locke Lamora
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No, that's not possible. It's just dangerous play as long as there's no contact between both players.
Playing in a dangerous manner involves no physical contact between the players.
If there is a physical contact, the action becomes a offence punishable with a direct free kick or penalty kick.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf
I also love how many ignore what Argentina did to Schweini
I just want to clarify my position before people get confused.
The ref messed up in both directions. Besides the killer jump from Neuer there was at least a second yellow card for Aguero's punch and I think a couple of minutes before that another Argentinian player should have been booked for another bad foul (I also think in this case it would have been a second yellow card)
That is a fair point
gutter_trash
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one player pushed him into the other lol. How was that not a foul.
Mohonky
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is Germany still celebrating their illegitimate win?
Should have been red card and penalty.
Was always going to be a collision, goalies just put their bodies on the line like that, its get the ball above all else. It happens all the time. Though of course it was a throw in, how the ref deducted a free kick for Neuer out of that I have no idea.
Same with the hit on Kramer, he just got unlucky when he ran into an Argentine human wall, there was never any intent to take the player out and he ducked into it to try to minimise the impact, unfortunately the Argentine player happen to move at the same time to prevent himself from being clouted.
I have given and received a ton of hits like these, you cant just stop when you are going full stride for the ball, and you wouldnt expect the opposition to either.
He also missed the red card for Howedes.
TheOctodad
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Neuer has already been discussed exhaustively. It was fair play, and he did nothing wrong.
No red card here either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qudo-G0QWQI
Maybe should have been a throw in, but that's it.
No red card here either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qudo-G0QWQI
Maybe should have been a throw in, but that's it.
jamesinclair
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Its taken straight from our resident expert
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=120832804&postcount=2750
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KaiserBecks
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is Germany still celebrating their illegitimate win?
Should have been red card and penalty.
Excuse me, that's the actual hand of god, hard at work.
gutter_trash
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is Germany still celebrating their illegitimate win?
Should have been red card and penalty.
Nueur handled the ball first.
IMO, I think keepers should have more slack when it comes to handling the ball to make saves.
When Julio Cesar ate a Yellow Card against Colombia and gave away a penalty kick, IMO that was too much.
Keepers should have more slack, almost ice hockey like slack
There were several instances in the game where the ref should have given better protection to players, Argentina took advantage of this later in the game.
Mohonky
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This situation is different. Schumacher was never going to get the ball, he knows it and didnt even play at it. Thats a sending off.
There was an instance at the beginning of the final where an Argentinian player passed back towards the keeper and he picked it up, that was sort of in between a pass and a deflection, that I'm pretty sure would've gotten an indirect free kick back in the olden days. Heck, I remember a game in, 94 I think, Netherlands-Mexico, where Jorge Campos held onto the ball for a bit longer than six seconds and got a yellow card and an indirect free kick. That was rare even then obviously, some first time African ref that wanted to show how well he knew the rules, but still.
Sad you don't see them anymore, always love them.
edit: can't find that it was Campos, might have been mixed up. I see that it happened as recently in 06 too, during Eng-Par, but the one in my memory was way older. Oh well.
jamesinclair
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I cant even remember the last time I saw one of those
At this day and age it would blow minds among casual viewers. "WTF is happening!?"
GlamFM
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CheDominik
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Ugh. Don't remind me, why didn't Schober of all people just kick the ball onto the third deck?
Still hurts....
Wind's Howling
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I have seen my fair share of football games in the past 20 years. Some refs give a card, some do not. But you can not say that it is not dangerous play from Neuer where there are situations on the pitch where a high leg, from a player who wants to kick the ball away, is. It is the exact same thing and Neuer just put a huge risk in that flying tackle.
If you knew the rules you would know that this is not necessarily true.
The Inventor
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Broder Salsa
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That is absolutely not correct and I've said this in the thread several times. The more I see the gif the more I think it was probably the right decision, but him simply "getting the ball first" is not enough to get him off, that doesn't matter if you use "CARELESS, RECKLESS, INVOLVING EXCESSIVE FORCE".
is Germany still celebrating their illegitimate win?
Should have been red card and penalty.
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Wind's Howling
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This.
If a player comes in with two legs straight forward and he hits the ball, does that automatically make it a clean tackle?
Neuer's intent was to hit the ball and he succeeded but the way how was not completely according to rules.
I am just stating that some refs would actually give a card against Neuer for that. I hardly think there is a defining line in such a thing.
Not sure if..James, you forgot about this 100% legit goal that Argentina was denied
Even he himself should have realized that that was offside.
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