Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 10: Against the Odds, We Choose to Hype!

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Toxi said:
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Oh man, they need slowbeef to do Ridley's voice
 
TAFK said:
What about the gameplay lets it down? In my opinion it is a fine Fire Emblem game, a little different but definitely not bad by any means.
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It's the battle part of the gameplay, instead of taking full control of the character I have to watch a fancy battle scene which just makes me wish I was doing the action and not them otherwise the game ends up being boring for me.

Plus it doesn't help that they always leave the foe with one HP left. ¬_¬;
 
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Kills most characters at ~110% with perfect DI on Final Destination. Comes out immediately.

Animation also looks fucking absurd.
 
exfatal said:
Man the captains knee of justice is going to look soo intense wit hthe black lighting k.o effect
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I would love it if the knee of justice had a similar effect to little mac's KO punch where it zooms in a bit and then slows things down for a second before they go shooting off the stage
 
Mr-Joker said:
It's the battle part of the gameplay, instead of taking full control of the character I have to watch a fancy battle scene which just makes me wish I was doing the action and not them otherwise the game ends up being boring for me.

Plus it doesn't help that they always leave the foe with one HP left. ¬_¬;
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It's a tactics game, not an action game. The appeal is in being a strategist, not a fighter.
 
So lets talk about alts.

So Koei-Temco is doing a bunch of alts for Hyrule Warriors/Zelda Mousou.

I hope Smash 4 returns the favor and gives us HW Zelda and Link as alts in the game.

Here's Zelda, for instance.

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I'd probably pay for Character alts too as DLC. What kind of alternate models do you expect to be revealed? And what would you like to see?
 
voltronbadA said:
I would love it if the knee of justice had a similar effect to little mac's KO punch where it zooms in a bit and then slows things down for a second before they go shooting off the stage
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...while saying "yyeeEEEESSSSS"....
 
Woohoo, 100 pages already!

Shadow Hog said:
I suppose it doesn't.

That said, it's not the only image of the set that looks weird to me.

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Something about his mouth in these images also puts me off. Like, his lips are protruding outward more than they should be. (That or he's doing some kind of open-mouth BRBRBRBRBR, but I highly doubt it.)

Going back to that other image:

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The grimace here looks cartoonishly exaggerated. That might be the angle cutting off his lower lip, making it look like that grimace goes down further than it does, but even if it wasn't, I still say it's a little over the top.

I guess it's his mouth I'm taking umbrage with? It's not like it's gonna bother me in motion or anything, though.
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Ok, in that first pic, it is worth mentioning Link looks really good from the side, except this hair. Anyway, Capt. Falcon's lips do look a bit weird, but I always remember them looking sort of off lol. Maybe it is much more noticeable here due to facial expressions being more noticeable in this Smash (with the IQ being so damn good and all). But you're right, in motion it won't matter.

Overall I really like his design and model, it seems to gradually improve through each iteration.
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Also, to my Falcon bros.

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Believe!!!
 
SpinDasher said:
Woohoo, 100 pages already!

Ok, in that first pic, it is worth mentioning Link looks really good from the side, except this hair. Anyway, Capt. Falcon's lips do look a bit weird, but I always remember them looking sort of off lol. Maybe it is much more noticeable here due to facial expressions being more noticeable in this Smash (with the IQ being so damn good and all). But you're right, in motion it won't matter.

Overall I really like his design and model, it seems to gradually improve through each iteration.

Also, to my Falcon bros.

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Believe!!!
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I thought he kinda looked weird in Brawl, like he wasn't flexible enough.

Smash 4 Captain Falcon easily looks the best though. So cool.
oreomunsta said:
Don't know if this was discussed yet, but can someone help me identify some hit & run victims?

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There's Yoshi, DDD, and...? =/
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Sheik.
 
OrangeGrayBlue said:
Dr. Mario seems really obvious for an alt. Just give him the outfit and change his fireballs to pills and you've basically got him back. What I think is really important is to have his name change on the CSS when you select that costume. It makes it feel so much more official and I think if an alt costume is made to actually represent a certain character then it adds a lot to acknowledge that.



In terms of some clones that would be nice to have in a "clone or nothing" situation, K Rool could probably be made into a Bowser clone, Ridley as a Charizard clone, Medusa as a ZSS clone maaaybe and Mewtwo as a Lucario clone.

Obviously I'd prefer all those characters to have their own unique moveset, but if it came down to being a clone or not being in, I think those could work.
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Sakurai said today that if there is a slight change to how a character plays it'll be it's own slot and not an alt, what you're suggesting for Dr Mario would warrant him being his own slot. If Mario did get a Dr. Mario alt costume it wouldn't change the properties or looks of any of his attacks the same way Fem Robin/Villager/WFT don't change how their characters play.

And suggesting K Rool as a Bowser clone.. just LOL wut has K Rool ever had a breath attack?
 
If we're talking about Zero Suit Samus alts, I'd really like one based off of this one, before she was turned into a pin up girl.

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To each their own though. Hot girls are hot and we all like that, this version of her just fit better with the way I always envisioned her.

For clarification, I never have felt like Samus shouldn't be attractive. I just always saw her as more of a tough lady kind of hot, not sorority girl with an attitude kind of hot.
 
Tyeforce said:
And then there's Shulk. I imagine Shulk's video will use the standard CGI style used in the Villager, Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainer, Rosalina & Luma, Greninja, and Pac-Man videos. But who would he be paired with? I think there are two possible choices. The Monado gives Shulk psychic abilities...and what other characters have psychic abilities? That's right, Ness and Lucas. Right now, Ness remains the last of the original 12 Super Smash Bros. characters (aside from Jigglypuff, who has always been unlockable) to be revealed. Perhaps they'll reveal him alongside Shulk, with the video revolving around their psychic abilities?

Or another option: Snake. A lot of people think that Snake would have been revealed by now if he was returning...but giving him a late reveal provides the perfect set up for a "Kept you waiting, huh?" moment. And for a video...well, picture something like this: A cardboard box lies on the ground. A Metal Gear stomps into the scene. Snake reveals himself from underneath the cardboard box, and confronts the Metal Gear. He manages to evade it and takes it down with his weapons, but another one emerges. But...this one isn't the same. It's not a Metal Gear—it's a Mechon, and Snake's weapons have no effect! Just then, Shulk charges in with the Monado activated, and he topples the Mechon and slices it with the glowing blade. "Behold the power of the Monado!"
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I think you're missing the real obvious choice of veteran to include with Shulk in his reveal trailer, ROB. Seriously having Shulk fight a bunch of Robs saying something like "these are some very strange mechon" actually makes a lot of sense, and would be a pretty entertaining way to reveal both.
 
So far all alts (not texture swaps) have been gender changes, for customizable characters (villager's face/dress), and then little mac's intro hoodie. Lucina's mask is almost a shoe-in for an alt. We haven't seen any additional effort put toward alt costumes and at this point in time have no reason to assume it'll be anything too elaborate. I'd love an alt like ZSS's other M civvies, but until we see something on miiverse, i'm going to be a bit conservative w/ alt costume predictions.
 
BassForever said:
I think you're missing the real obvious choice of veteran to include with Shulk in his reveal trailer, ROB. Seriously having Shulk fight a bunch of Robs saying something like "these are some very strange mechon" actually makes a lot of sense, and would be a pretty entertaining way to reveal both.
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I excluded R.O.B. for a reason. I believe he'll be an unlockable character again like he was in Brawl, so he wouldn't be revealed before release like that.
 
Zubz said:
That's my main problem with having the Generic Fire Emblem: Awakening hero playable. That, plus the fact (s)he's a self-insert character; the game was full of unique characters who'd've been great, like Henry, Vaike, & Gregor, but the little characterization the Avatar gets seems Mary Sue-ish, too.

Even in the trailer, the second Robin shows up, Lucina stops being a badass and starts to fawn over him.
Plus there's the fact he didn't seem to ever get Falcon Punched into oblivion after his entrance; you don't interrupt a Falcon Punch without repercussions.
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The avatar gets more characterization outside of supports than any of the characters you listed, though.

Also were we watching the same reveal trailer? Lucina was definitely not a badaas at any point in it lol.
 
Spring-Loaded said:
Where can I find a comprehensive list of every possible alt and/or clone based on Sakurai's well-defined clone/alt rules?
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Basically if it's the same character with a different costume that would still play the same way ala Little Mac in his pink sweatshirt, Wario in his classic outfit vs warioware outfit, or a female/male version of a character it's an alt

If it's a different character or the same character with different properties ala Lucina's sword having having damage focused at a different spot of the blade or Dr Mario having pills instead of fire balls, they'll be a clone with their own slot.

As for a list, with alts and the fact were getting both pallet/texture swaps for characters AND alt costumes that's really hard to make a list because literally anything could be a texture swap as we've seen with things like Link's Skyward Sword outfit.

Clones can be tricky as well, because while some clones choices are obvious (Fox/Falco, Ness/Lucas, Link/Young or Toon Link) there has been Captain Falcon/Ganondorf that never in a million years would anyone have even thought to do outside of Sakurai.
 
I could imagine a Snake reveal with him secretly infiltrating Smash, having been (superimposed) in every single reveal trailer with no-one noticing.
 
Zubz said:
That's my main problem with having the Generic Fire Emblem: Awakening hero playable. That, plus the fact (s)he's a self-insert character; the game was full of unique characters who'd've been great, like Henry, Vaike, & Gregor, but the little characterization the Avatar gets seems Mary Sue-ish, too.

Even in the trailer, the second Robin shows up, Lucina stops being a badass and starts to fawn over him.
Plus there's the fact he didn't seem to ever get Falcon Punched into oblivion after his entrance; you don't interrupt a Falcon Punch without repercussions.
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Lucina was getting wrecked from start to finish.
 
superNESjoe said:
If we're talking about Zero Suit Samus alts, I'd really like one based off of this one, before she was turned into a pin up girl.

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To each their own though. Hot girls are hot and we all like that, this version of her just fit better with the way I always envisioned her.

For clarification, I never have felt like Samus shouldn't be attractive. I just always saw her as more of a tough lady kind of hot, not sorority girl with an attitude kind of hot.
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Man, Prime's Samus face looked amazing at the time and still looks pretty good. It's ridiculous how much worse she looks in Prime 2, especially when everything else in that game looked better.

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