GenericUser
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This looks fine as hell, but at the end, it all boils down on how good the driving feels. I've seen no one commenting this, I hope it does not feel as floaty as the latest need for speed games.
DRIVECLUB The Drenched Forests of Canada
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mangochutney
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Yeah I noticed this. I think they are coming and going a little too quick, but that might be based on your speed and dynamics of the rain I guess so hard to give a proper impression from just a few seconds of footage.
To me it looked like they have static water drops over the bonnet with several different streaks fading in from screen top to bottom to give the illusion of movement, I think it works well but just looked a little too quick for me.
I would imagine it would be very expensive to have proper dynamics on the hundreds of thousands of water beads across every surface in the game.
Both TheSimPit and InsideSimRacing have made E3 previews of the game.
Should get you covered on how it feels.
velociraptor
Junior Member
No doubt Driveclub looks much better, but I guess I'm surprised at how good FH2 looks. I didn't expect it to look this good especially given the hardware it's running on.
GenericUser
Member
Oh wow, thanks for this!
This is just ridiculous. So you're saying because the devs stated that they're basing their lighting behaviour on real life, that the entire game's style is supposed to be photo-realistic? So because Doom 3 focused on unified lighting it couldn't also be aiming for a unique style of its own, and was a failure in comparison to Half-Life 2?
Forza Horizon aimed for a stylized use of colour even in the original game, compared to the more realistic look that Forza Motorsport (or even PGR) was going for, despite having a more complex lighting model. It's only because we've now entered a new generation that people are claiming that any attempt to portray a scene in anything other than the most realistic way possible is immediately a failure (or an attempt to dodge comparison, which is another popular accusation these days). I'm looking forward to having every game look the same in a generation or two, because devs don't want to be raked over for coals for daring to deviate from a realistic tone, and having everyone complain about how we know longer have any graphical variation in our games.
Miles Quaritch
Member
The colours do look different compared to Horizon 1. Perhaps because of the new dynamic lighting? Whatever the reason, they do seem to pop/stand out a lot more compared to hose in Horizon 1.
That's not necessarily a bad thing though, I'd prefer if one was more stylised than the other....
Yea, they do look different (and I prefer the look of Horizon 1 tbh), but my point is that neither was shooting for a standard realistic tone. Why that's suddenly not believable anymore, I don't know...
Neuromancer
Member
How much club customization can we look forward to? Can we name our clubs and make custom icons?
Miles Quaritch
Member
Oh yeah, I totally agree. One mention of something being realistic and suddenly it's automatically assumed that everything else will be realistic as well.
The off roading in a lambo being another such complaint. It's an arcade racer for goodness sake, it's not aiming to be realistic in where a lambo can drive, just like DC isn't trying to be realistic with it collision system when you hit the barriers/other racers.
Neuromancer
Member
Depends on the wheel, Thrustmaster wheels are good to go, Logitech is still out at the moment, not sure about Fanatec.
travisbickle
Member
Are you talking about Driveclub or Forza Horizon 2? It's hard to tell in this thread.
Neuromancer
Member
Well, at least in DC you're losing some speed when you hit or grind an obstacle.
The only real problem I have with FH2 is that it seems you're driving some supercar (obvious) / assault tank (going thru vineyards) / hovercraft (not any suspension work) mix.
It's probably very fun, but it's not what I'm waiting from a car racer.
Miles Quaritch
Member
That's still not exactly realistic and that's my point. Neither is attempting to be stubbornly realistic in how they play.
And if that's the problem you have with H2, it isn't for you. Having a lambo lose speed when driving across a field would make the freedom the game offers pointless, what's the point of having no barriers when you can't take advantage of that in any car?
Some of the quotes there were talking about specific things, yes, but it's clear here what's the general look they're aiming for:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/18/forza-horizon-2as-radical-new-weather-ign-first
It's can't get clearer than that, I only see the "stylized look" thing mentioned in forums during graphic comparisons. Unless you can find something from the developers contradicting that quote, then "as photo real as possible" is what they're aiming for.
Neuromancer
Member
Some of the best times I had in Forza Horizon 1 was going online free roam and driving around on the golf course and doing sweet jumps off gravel piles near the quarry with other people. The off road screwing around really is part of the fun of the game.
Miles Quaritch
Member
The context for that quote is that they are taking about weather, but I'm sure you already knew that.
100% agreed.
yeah, I think the footage they showed was focused on passing the message that the entire map is one big golf course now. you can stay on the roads, or you can go ..you know.. mental
I am always the guy who is asking for precision, so I wait to see how they'll manage interesting courses and how will they implement the extra beef from f5 engine they declared, like the total physics engine with upgrades system and tuning. I hope it is not dumbed down. I'll wait and see
the same things more/less I hope for driveclub. enough precision to keep me going.
As much as I clearly still think the game is stylized deliberately (even just dropping the color saturation a little as seen here would immediately cause it to look more realistic), I can't deny that particular quote is fucking my argument up royally...
Thanks a lot guys....
I should probably have read the rest in that case. With that said though the weather is actually one of the few things I'd actually argue isn't up to par for what they appear to be aiming for.
And that we agree.
I know that, already, and in case you didn't notice, I'm not the one who tried to compare DC to FH2.
Different games for different people, I'm okay with that.
So, could we all please stop talking about FH2 and keep talking about DRIVECLUB?
What's the point of driving a Lambo when you could drive a race pod?
Nah, if you want a Lambo that drives similarly on and off roads, I have this beauty for you:
mangochutney
Member
Pretty sure it was in one of the Q&A videos that they said you can make a logo and stuff for your club using a load of set assets available, I'm guessing it will be something along the lines of CODs emblem editor, and that logo is then instantly available to all of your club etc.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Oct7th can't come soon enough!
I don't exactly get what are you trying to say here! They're aiming for a photo realistic look for weather but not for the rest of the game? Where does the game stop trying to look photo realistic?
Keep in mind the article is talking about the whole game's look during weather, from lighting to materials and wet surfaces. Also, "weather" isn't only rain, they also mention fog, mist and wind. So, again, where do you think this "photo realistic look" stops and the "stylized look" begin?
mangochutney
Member
Whilst I agree if you go for a photo realistic look for one aspect of your game, you would want to continue that theme elsewhere so the game doesn't look disjointed the quote is someone talking about the weather system and making the weather look as real as possible.
Therefore I don't think it fits as a case for your argument. It also doesn't fit this thread.
Can we keep this Horizon shit out of here.
I know they've said that, but if you watch the gameplay videos, you can clearly see a lot of it is still pre-baked. Eg, watch for tree's dynamically leaving shadows on your vehicle whilst in the exterior view. They presently don't. Oddly they do when in bonnet cam view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGKoqktEjBY&t=1m17s
On a side note, why does this other games discussion keep propping up here? Lol.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Not really. Test Drive Unlimited did this just fine by only having the right kind of car be able to reach high speed over grass and dirt.
This is a huge thorn in the side of Forza Horizon 2. I wish they would change it, as everything else about the game looks great.
Precisely. The "stylized" talking-point is being perpetuated on forums because
FH2 is failing thus far to favorably compare to the levels of realism present in DC.
Until the FH2 devs confirm that they aren't really aiming for photo-realism anymore,
and have decided to implement a stylized presentation instead, folks should stop
assuming the style is intentional
Summer Haze
Banned
*Checks to see if I'm still in a DC thread*
I sense a thread lock incoming.
I sense a thread lock incoming.
Precisely. The "stylized" talking-point is being perpetuated on forums because
FH2 is failing thus far to favorably compare to the levels of realism present in DC.
Until the FH2 devs confirm that they aren't really aiming for photo-realism anymore,
and have decided to implement a stylized presentation instead, folks should stop
assuming the style is intentional
Well for me, it's actually because they already made a previous game, and took it in a similar direction before any of us even knew what Driveclub was. Both Horizon and Horizon 2 started of with a more realistic looking Forza Motorsport as a base, and then exchanged that look for something far more colorful. Even the logo was made bright and colorful in comparison to Motorsport.
Red Chocobo
Banned
I think DC and FH2 both strive for realism, But in slightly different ways.
The main difference I see is that DC is like looking out of the window, very realistic and natural. On the other hand FH2 is like looking at a holiday brochure, it's sunny as shit and everything is bright and shiny, less natural than the real thing.
Most importantly, both look shit hot. I'm happy that Evolution have seemingly pulled through with DC after a rocky period following the reveal.
The main difference I see is that DC is like looking out of the window, very realistic and natural. On the other hand FH2 is like looking at a holiday brochure, it's sunny as shit and everything is bright and shiny, less natural than the real thing.
Most importantly, both look shit hot. I'm happy that Evolution have seemingly pulled through with DC after a rocky period following the reveal.
When Logitech decide to pay the royalties and licensing to the Immersion Co. and licensing to Sony, there comes the support. If not, your pole will be good to pat the G27 here and there. Nothing to do with Sony.
I hope to high heaven that H2 on 360 has some kind of twist or flavour that makes it at least a little bit Sumo. Hoping against hope there is.
farmerboy
Member
Nah, if you want a Lambo that drives similarly on and off roads, I have this beauty for you:
Now we're talking.
Supercars attract beautiful women.
Do you think Lambo farm tractors attract beautiful
On topic, we don't really know the scope of the game, right?
I mean, we know there are 5 locations and 11 tracks per location, but we don't know exactly what kind of tracks these are (i.e. circuits, road loops, point to point, combinations) and how far these tracks are one from each others?
India and Canada are huge countries, and would probably offer very diverse settings if the tracks were dispatched through the land.
What are your thoughts?
Summer Haze
Banned
Crazy how threads can just stop, like this one.
RIP in peace Drenched Forests of Canada.
RIP in peace Drenched Forests of Canada.
Evo, please release another weather video to keep the legacy of this one alive!
Positional4
Neo Member
As stunning as this game looks I still feel evolution should have gone for 60 fps.it just makes a world of difference in racing games I been playing shift 2 on my friends PC and that runs at 60+ the whole time and feels awesome .
I don't believe the ps4 would have been incapable of 60 fps if they had toned down the effects a bit .a lot of the graphical effects being used in this game aren't needed in driving games .still their choice I guess Can we have a PC version by any chance evolution!
I don't believe the ps4 would have been incapable of 60 fps if they had toned down the effects a bit .a lot of the graphical effects being used in this game aren't needed in driving games .still their choice I guess Can we have a PC version by any chance evolution!
Betta Lines
Member
Evolution are a first party studio, so the chances are slim to none.
Why do people keep saying this? It hurts my head at this point. All of the Project Gotham Racing games are 30fps and they scored very well. If you have not tried a PGR game, I recommend EBaying an old Xbox and trying them out.
People throw the term "racer" out there like it is an all-encompassing blanket, but there are many types of racers. Not all of them have a deep and convulated physics engine running a simulation model of a car based on your settings of said car to take drifting corners and such.
Until anyone actually starts to review the game or play a demo, we have exactly 0.0% ability to say whether DriveClub's gameplay is affected by framerate or not. If you expect it to be Gran Turismo, I'm willing to bet the game will disappoint you. If you are expecting MarioKart, it will likely disappoint as well. Just saying.
AbandonedTrolley
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Exactly, pretty certain that NFS:Rivals runs at 30 FPS and it's great fun.
Actually not all of the PGR games are 30fps. The original was 60fps. Funnily enough though that's the one nobody remembers.
Pixel Beak
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AbandonedTrolley
Member
Not only that they even got in a port beg too!