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[gotstrangepowers]

What? Lol No, some other guys quote didnt stick right when he quoted me.

Sorry, sloppy posting on my phone

 

[FaultTolerance]

Yet... You're here...

Well, usually doesn't mean always

Technically, this isn't an NPD thread. It's a "Xbox One more than doubles sales" thread.

Don't expect me to be posting in the NPD thread tomorrow. I've seen how those usually go. They literally turn into battlegrounds and I'm just not into it.

 

[timlot]

Uhh what?!?! So you had an XB1 and a PS4 and traded both in to get another XB1? This makes 0 sense. Why would you do that? Just trade in the PS4 and buy some games for your already purchased XB1.

You had to purchase a PS4 or XB1 to get the 50% extra credit from Gamestop. Basically I had to return the first XB1 to get my cash back. The XB1 I got in June was purchased with the PS4 credit.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Technically, this isn't an NPD thread. It's a "Xbox One more than doubles sales" thread.

Don't expect me to be posting in the NPD thread tomorrow. I've seen how those usually go. They literally turn into battlegrounds.

Quite a lot like this? Maybe some boredom for a dozen or so pages as we wait on the leaks

You had to purchase a PS4 or XB1 to get the 50% extra credit from Gamestop. Basically I had to return the first XB1 to get my cash back. The XB1 I got in June was purchased with the PS4 credit.

Ah so you were working the system then. That's fine.

 

[ambientmystic]

Technically, this isn't an NPD thread. It's a "Xbox One more than doubles sales" thread.

Don't expect me to be posting in the NPD thread tomorrow. I've seen how those usually go. They literally turn into battlegrounds and I'm just not into it.

Only sucks if you're on the losing side lol.

Being a neutral and unaffliated observer is best when you're perusing that thread.

 

[RexNovis]

You had to purchase a PS4 or XB1 to get the 50% extra credit from Gamestop. Basically I had to return the first XB1 to get my cash back. The XB1 I got in June was purchased with the PS4 credit.

Do you just hate money or something? Good god man just sell the shit on craigslist or ebay and get a decent return instead. You basically just threw your money away.

 

[FaultTolerance]

Quite a lot like this? Maybe some boredom for a dozen or so pages as we wait on the leaks

Actually, I've found this thread to be quite a lot more civil than most of the NPD threads. Other than the people calling for Xbox's demise, there's a lot of interesting points being brought up.

Only sucks if you're on the losing side lol.

Owning all three current gen consoles means there is no losing side.

 

[Joeki11a]

So this means what exactly?, did it beat Sony?
that's what really matters.

 

[icespide]

So this means what exactly?, did it beat Sony?

seems unlikely

 

[Dragonborn]

When you consider that the Xbox One is a billion-dollar product in terms of its budget:

- $1 billion claimed to have been spent on games development
- $400m NFL deal,
- $100m on controller alone
- Several hundred million on marketing etc

Selling around 160k a month in June (when May was 77k and July likely to be less than June) in your strongest market is pretty f*cking godawful. Especially from a shareholder POV. I mean damn.

I don't recall exactly where, but I remember reading they spent like 20 million in marketing just in Spain, and ended up selling very few X1s. Not exactly relevant to NA, but it shows that marketing expenses can really ad up.

Do you just hate money or something? Good god man just sell the shit on craigslist or ebay and get a decent return instead. You basically just threw your money away.

GS has been running some pretty good trade-in deals. You could get like almost 400 bucks for a PS4 if trading it in for an X1 (and vice versa I think).

Wait a minute, he's using a 20+ year anthology to try and say MCC will rocket XBO ahead in NA for the gen? It's not even necessarily the fact All-Stars was in a market with completely different conditions, or the fact it's really old, that's the issue.

The issue there is All-Stars didn't propel SNES ahead of Genesis from what I remember, not for any more than what would've been a month. It's pretty well known SNES didn't start routinely outselling Genesis in the U.S until DKC...and that was Christmas 1994, when that gen was pretty much done.

C'mon B, you can pick a better example than that.

Thing is, there is no other example.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

I've seen you mention All-Stars numerous times in numerous threads as your evidence that MCC will cause the Xbox One to skyrocket in popularity.

Thing is, SNES was already doing quite well by the time that game came out. I don't see how All Stars selling well on a system that was selling well 20 years ago equates to MCC causing the Xbox One's sales to shoot past the PS4.

Wait a minute, he's using a 20+ year anthology to try and say MCC will rocket XBO ahead in NA for the gen? It's not even necessarily the fact All-Stars was in a market with completely different conditions, or the fact it's really old, that's the issue.

The issue there is All-Stars didn't propel SNES ahead of Genesis from what I remember, not for any more than what would've been a month. It's pretty well known SNES didn't start routinely outselling Genesis in the U.S until DKC...and that was Christmas 1994, when that gen was pretty much done.


C'mon B, you can pick a better example than that.

These. It would also show consumers that Microsoft is desperate & that their product doesn't hold a lot of value.

History has proven that price drops doesn't matter much in the long run for a struggling console. Remember what happened with systems like Dreamcast? Original Xbox? Gamecube? Yeah.

This is where I think the rapid deals, stealth price cuts etc. have actually been hurting the system's image more than helping it. The public is pretty accustomed to knowing a healthy console doesn't see major deals and price cuts mere months after it's come out. The only exception to that has been the PS3, and that system didn't start doing very well until pretty late last gen. That gen was also longer than usual.

I think all of that, the quick 180s, and unbundling Kinect, all of that is showing weakness in MS to customers. It's an optics game and they're looking pretty messed up atm.

 

[Lefein]

Not exactly relevant to NA, but it shows that marketing expenses can really ad up.

Was this pun intended?!

 

[x-Lundz-x]

A lot of people were expecting around 150k so that's right in line. Still probably not even close to what MS wants to see though.

 

[Bgamer90]

I've seen you mention All-Stars numerous times in numerous threads as your evidence that MCC will cause the Xbox One to skyrocket in popularity.

Thing is, SNES was already doing quite well by the time that game came out. I don't see how All Stars selling well on a system that was selling well 20 years ago equates to MCC causing the Xbox One's sales to shoot past the PS4.

I've never used it as "evidence that the Xbox One will skyrocket". I simply referred to Super Mario All Stars due to the Halo Master Chief Collection being a remake collection, that's exclusive, has four games. and will more than likely sell well (like Super Mario All Stars). Nothing more. I can't think of any other game since then that fits that description.

Also, I've said multiple times that it's a toss up whether or not it will help the Xbox One beat PS4 in November NPD. Find it interesting how you remember me bringing up Super Mario All Stars when talking about Halo MMC, but yet seem to think I've said that the collection will cause XB1 sales to skyrocket (which I haven't said at all).

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Wait a minute, he's using a 20+ year anthology to try and say MCC will rocket XBO ahead in NA for the gen? It's not even necessarily the fact All-Stars was in a market with completely different conditions, or the fact it's really old, that's the issue.

The issue there is All-Stars didn't propel SNES ahead of Genesis from what I remember, not for any more than what would've been a month. It's pretty well known SNES didn't start routinely outselling Genesis in the U.S until DKC...and that was Christmas 1994, when that gen was pretty much done.

C'mon B, you can pick a better example than that.

Heh, I was never using it as a example in that fashion.

::shakes head::

 

[Dragonborn]

Was this pun intended?!

Haha, unfortunately no. Mistype

 

[mightynine]

I don't recall exactly where, but I remember reading they spent like 20 million in marketing just in Spain, and ended up selling very few X1s. Not exactly relevant to NA, but it shows that marketing expenses can really add up.

Well, if that's true, I can see why Xbox PR teams are on the chopping block, if recent reports of cutbacks at MS are correct.

 

[reKon]

So what's left on the chalkboard? Is it Halo MCC or Sunset OD?

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I don't recall exactly where, but I remember reading they spent like 20 million in marketing just in Spain, and ended up selling very few X1s. Not exactly relevant to NA, but it shows that marketing expenses can really ad up.

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Yeah, If my memory serves me right, I think they chucked $500 million on Kinect marketing its launch on 360, so the marketing budget for the XBone's launch has to be around that ballpark or higher.

Certainly, sales are falling way below what that kind of budget demands. So it's quite laughable people saying 'well, 160k is not bad'. Lol. For christ sakes.

If they're not making much money in the US from hardware, software and Live sub sales, where exactly are they going to make money on their billion-dollar product? New Zealand?

 

[Dragonborn]

Well, if that's true, I can see why Xbox PR teams are on the chopping block, if recent reports of cutbacks at MS are correct.

Found the article: http://www.rtve.es/noticias/2013111...nes-euros-lanzar-xbox-one-espana/794100.shtml

So 20 million Euros launching the X1.

And according to this: http://blog.es.playstation.com/2014/01/31/charlamos-con-james-armstrong/

PS4 sold 134,000 first month in Spain (with 181k up till the point of the aritcle), They also state they've outsold the X1 about 5 to 1, and in a certain week even outsold it by as much as 15 to 1. Assuming the X1 sold about 1/5 of the PS4, that's about 36k up till the date of the article. That would mean they spent 555 Euros in marketing for every X1 they sold. That's insane!

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

I've never used it as "evidence that the Xbox One will skyrocket". I simply referred to Super Mario All Stars due to the Halo Master Chief Collection being a remake collection, that's exclusive, has four games. and will more than likely sell well (like Super Mario All Stars). Nothing more. I can't think of any other game since then that fits that description.

Also, I've said multiple times that it's a toss up whether or not it will help the Xbox One beat PS4 in November NPD. Find it interesting how you remember me bringing up Super Mario All Stars when talking about Halo MMC, but yet seem to think I've said that the collection will cause XB1 sales to skyrocket (which I haven't said at all).

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Heh, I was never using it as a example in that fashion.

::shakes head::

My apologies. The "skyrocket" is my own insertion, since that is what is what Xbox One would have to do in order to put it ahead of PS4 in Nov and Dec.

You've made the argument before that the MCC collection could do that. Well, you could see it being ahead in Nov/Dec directly because of the MCC collection. I don't want to misquote you.

 

[Aquamarine]

where the retail indications saying the XB1 doubled sales too?

Plenty of indications that Xbox One received a jolt this month.

I predicted a 77K -> 138K jump in the prediction thread, and the average GAFfer predicted a 77K -> 144K jump.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

I've never used it as "evidence that the Xbox One will skyrocket". I simply referred to Super Mario All Stars due to the Halo Master Chief Collection being a remake collection, that's exclusive, has four games. and will more than likely sell well (like Super Mario All Stars). Nothing more.

But by your own tacit admission, SMAS just "sold well", so either you're aware it didn't propel SNES ahead of Genesis (in that case why really mention it at all, when you know why most people mention MCC in threads about XBO sales?) or you mentioned it thinking in some way it'll put XBO ahead.

Bringing in the comparison just b/c they're both remakes of four games and exclusive to their systems is kind of a non-factor to do that.

And to your other question: Sonic Jam, Sega Saturn.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

Man I shouldn't have lowered my xbone prediction down 20-30k

 

[FaultTolerance]

Plenty of indications that Xbox One received a jolt this month.

I predicted a 77K -> 138K jump in the prediction thread, and the average GAFfer predicted a 77K -> 144K jump.

I'm going out on a limb and predicting 180k for XO in June, based on this new information.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Nevermind

 

[oti]

I know this is about the Americas but interesting fact nevertheless: Amazon.de have lowered the price of the kinectless SKU to 359€. I'd like to know for how long it'll stay this way.

http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00KB2WXJ8/

 

[VanCityGamer]

Why?

Well, I think Colin is generally very well-versed in sales numbers and industry news. He also comes across as quite a deep thinker in most of his work. So that's why I was disappointed by how misleading his XB1 June NPD story is.

 

[Bgamer90]

But by your own tacit admission, SMAS just "sold well", so either you're aware it didn't propel SNES ahead of Genesis (in that case why really mention it at all, when you know why most people mention MCC in threads about XBO sales?) or you mentioned it thinking in some way it'll put XBO ahead. Bringing in the comparison just b/c they're both remakes of four games and exclusive to their systems is kind of a non-factor to do that.

I've mentioned it as a collection series that helped sell systems. Nothing more than that though when it comes to the area of sales.

And to your other question: Sonic Jam, Sega Saturn.

Heh, never would have thought of that. Totally forgot about it.

 

[slapnuts]

I actually think the $399 Xbox One ends up looking way worse than the $499 with kinect. at $399 with no kinect and being less powerful than the PS4, it just makes the PS4 the obvious choice where as with the kinect version at least there's one differentiator that you have to consider

I know man....this is what i been saying since the price drop. MS should of just ate the cost and included the kinect at the 399 price because like you and a few others said along with what i been saying...it makes X1 look far less appealing now.

 

[IN&OUT]

Wow if PS4 managed to outsell Xbone in june NPD. Add to that JP+ EU and you have huge gap increase every month .

 

[Biker19]

I really wish we didn't get the results more than half way through the month. You would think in the digital age we would have the results within the first week of the new month.

I agree, but it takes a lot of time to count all of the sold consoles, sold handhelds, & sold retail software throughout many different stores/manufacturers in this country (& probably through Canada).

And the U.S. is much larger than other countries/continents everywhere else like Japan, which is probably one of the reasons why we see Media Create numbers each & every week for Japan.

 

[FaultTolerance]

I know man....this is what i been saying since the price drop. MS should of just ate the cost and included the kinect at the 399 price because like you and a few others said along with what i been saying...it makes X1 look far less appealing now.

Mmm, I dunno. Master Chief Collection, Halo 5, Sunset Overdrive, and the new Crackdown have potential to make the console look pretty appealing. We'll see what happens.

 

[oti]

There's only one option left.

Viva Piñata 3.

 

[ramuh]

Mmm, I dunno. Master Chief Collection, Halo 5, Sunset Overdrive, and the new Crackdown have potential to make the console look pretty appealing. We'll see what happens.

Master Chief Collections and Sunset Overdrive will help in the short term. But it's going to come down to where people wanna play Multiplats.

 

[Gator86]

Mmm, I dunno. Master Chief Collection, Halo 5, Sunset Overdrive, and the new Crackdown have potential to make the console look pretty appealing. We'll see what happens.

I'm expecting Sunset Overdrive to bomb pretty hard at retail. The market is super competitive this fall and it's a brand new IP that might immediately get written off as too cartoony by a lot of people. So I'm not sure I'd rely on it to drive sales much at all.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

I've mentioned it as a collection series that helped sell systems. Nothing more than that though when it comes to the area of sales.

Well on that note, I can agree MCC is gonna help sales; it's probably helping sales already. They really need to push the Halo 5 beta point tho, that's what'll get in new customers.

 

[A_Gorilla]

Mmm, I dunno. Master Chief Collection, Halo 5, Sunset Overdrive, and the new Crackdown have potential to make the console look pretty appealing. We'll see what happens.

MCC is a compilation, coming out near the same time as new games Destiny, Battlefield Hardline and CoD AW.

Halo 5 isn't out for another year at least and by then itll be too little too late to help MS

Sunset Overdrive is a new and untested franchise. The last new, untested franchise MS had was Titanfall and we all know how that turned out.

 

[Codeblew]

So you bought a PS4. Then you bought a XB1. Then you traded in both the XB1 and the PS4 for another XB1? Or am I reading this wrong?

That is how I read it also. I guess he just likes wasting money.

 

[FaultTolerance]

I'm expecting Sunset Overdrive to bomb pretty hard at retail. The market is super competitive this fall and it's a brand new IP that might immediately get written off as too cartoony by a lot of people. So I'm not sure I'd rely on it to drive sales much at all.

Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but it's Insomniac. They have quite a history of quality titles under their belt.

Halo 5 isn't out for another year at least and by then itll be too little too late to help MS

Sunset Overdrive is a new and untested franchise. The last new, untested franchise MS had was Titanfall and we all know how that turned out.

Why will next year be too late to help Microsoft? This console generation is going to last 5-6 years. We haven't even passed Year 1 yet.

And I must point out Titanfall is still charting.

 

[spatenfloot]

Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but it's Insomniac. They have quite a history of quality titles under their belt.

Their last new IP bombed.

 

[krypt0nian]

So what's left on the chalkboard? Is it Halo MCC or Sunset OD?

I don't think either are chalkboard worthy. Post A Crack in Time Insomniac, and a HD collection?

 

[FaultTolerance]

Their last new IP bombed.

Nobody's perfect. Everyone's allowed a bomb.

 

[Chobel]

Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but it's Insomniac. They have quite a history of quality titles under their belt.



Why will next year be too late to help Microsoft? This console generation is going to last 5-6 years. We haven't even passed Year 1 yet.

And I must point out Titanfall is still charting.

Not enough to help Xbox One sales.

 

[Dragonborn]

Nobody's perfect. Everyone's allowed a bomb.

Their games have been bombing for years. R3 fell flat on it's face. FFA and A4O were terrible, Fuse was awful, Into the Nexus was average at best.

ACiT was their peak. Now, that's not to say they won't succeed with SO, but at the moment I think it's safe to have some doubt.

 

[nib95]

Found the article: http://www.rtve.es/noticias/2013111...nes-euros-lanzar-xbox-one-espana/794100.shtml

So 20 million Euros launching the X1.

And according to this: http://blog.es.playstation.com/2014/01/31/charlamos-con-james-armstrong/

PS4 sold 134,000 first month in Spain (with 181k up till the point of the aritcle), They also state they've outsold the X1 about 5 to 1, and in a certain week even outsold it by as much as 15 to 1. Assuming the X1 sold about 1/5 of the PS4, that's about 36k up till the date of the article. That would mean they spent 555 Euros in marketing for every X1 they sold. That's insane!

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Damn. Do we have any examples of the Xbox One Spanish marketing? With so much budget injection, how could it do so poorly?

 

[FaultTolerance]

Not enough to help Xbox One sales.

My point was I don't see why next year or even the year after that will be too late to help Microsoft. Is the console going to magically disappear at the end of this year if they don't start beating Sony?

 

[A_Gorilla]

My point was I don't see why next year or even the year after that will be too late to help Microsoft. Is the console going to magically disappear at the end of this year if they don't start beating Sony?

Sony is already 4-5 million ahead of MS worldwide (~600K in the US)

By next year barring some massive shake up the numbers would be AT LEAST double that.

 

[Hydrargyrus]

Crossing another line in the chalkboard...

 

[FaultTolerance]

Sony is already 4-5 million ahead of MS worldwide (~600K in the US)

By next year barring some massive shake up the numbers would be AT LEAST double that.

Microsoft sold 83.7 million Xbox 360's as of April and Sony has sold over 80 million Playstation 3's, and we're quibbling over 4-5 million after less than a year?

 

[Chobel]

Sony is already 4-5 million ahead of MS worldwide (~600K in the US)

By next year barring some massive shake up the numbers would be AT LEAST double that.

Source on that? Personally, I say 3.x million difference.