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Freezasaurus
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Those baby bison were adorable.
This was a pretty good episode. People (myself included) have been complaining about Korra not having filler and room for the characters to breathe since Book 1, so it was nice to see that. However, I am concerned that there are only six episodes left. We passed the season's halfway point this episode and the main character still hasn't met the main villain. Heck, she's barely even aware of the main villain's existence. It's nice to get more moments like this, but the format that each Book has been given means they don't necessarily have the luxury. Hopefully the show will prove me wrong and manage to stick the ending, but I'm getting more concerned as we go on, TBH.
Unspeakable Evil
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Having two episodes a week works for people who hate filler.
No hit taken. You got a lot of character deltas in this episode. Tenzin, Jinora and Kai all took steps, and tenzin in particular learned an important lesson.
So it's cool.
Mr. Smiley
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Meaningful filler? I guess it is like original series.
I was just re-reading some of the old ATLA comics, including the one where Sokka tries to teach Bosco to be a real bear, so this episode hit a little harder than it might have otherwise.
I want to believe that it's just something the Earth Queen made up, or that Bosco at least died of natural causes first.Dreadnought
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Perhaps these villains pass over into Book 4.
The creators said a while back that each Book has a self-contained plot, but it would be really great if they've changed their minds. If they have, though, I don't think they've said anything about it publicly.
Schadenfreude
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I was just re-reading some of the old ATLA comics, including the one where Sokka tries to teach Bosco to be a real bear, so this episode hit a little harder than it might have otherwise.
Oh man. Now i'm thinking about poor little Bosco. He was the best. Got me tearing up.
Unspeakable Evil
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Death to the Earth Queen
it would be the best course of action, but theyve said that each season is contained
Korra has to stop Zaheer's team and the Earth Queen's impending war in a sensible manner in the next 6 episodes to not fuck up the ending. she hasnt even met Zaheer yet and the Earth Queen's war has yet to start.
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I'm willing to bet money this season ends on a cliffhanger.
This is the first time they've made episodes knowing they can make some more, remember that people.
If it carries over to s4 then I will be well satisfied. They really don't have time if it's self contained
Other than the horrendous vehicle/occasional metalbending CG i largely agree. It's at least as good as Book 1 and 3 so far.
Other than the horrendous vehicle/occasional metalbending CG i largely agree. It's at least as good as Book 1 and 3 so far.
Multi-man airbending was amazing. Hopefully we'll be seeing airbender vs airbender, too, soon enough.
This is what I'm most worried about. I have yet to see the writers stick the landing and the fact that Korra literally hasn't met Zaheer and his merry band of benders yet, uh... worries me. A lot.
NipplesAndToes23
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I'm ready for the double goodness we're getting tonight. I love me some Korra.
Freezasaurus
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Ugh. I set my DVR for it if I know I may not be home, but why don't they at least put it up On Demand after it airs? It's kind of a shitty way to run a network. This is how things worked in the 80's.
The Silver
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I would be nice if they do, they keep having these great villains and ambitious stories but right on the home stretch it derails.
Imagine if Ozai had to be dealt with in 12/13 episodes? Amon easily had the potential to fill out multiple seasons, Vaatu was straight up endgame material that should be slowly built up.
honestly I think these villains can be satisfactorily dealt with in the time remaining, it really depends on what their "true goal" is.
I have to wonder how the Earth King could have raised such a screwed up daughter. I mean, he wasn't a very good leader in the series and he did have his limits in The Promise, but he never acted pompous and was a generally nice guy. Aside from Bosco and his big fancy door, he didn't really have much of an ego.
Maybe he died early?
Pretty much. I WISH they would course correct, and back off from that format. I mean, at this point the series is already a mess. Might as well try to make Book 3 and 4 excellent so that it makes the overall series recover.
As Moonlight said, maybe he had an early death. But even if he didn't, not all offspring are lovely (no matter how nice their parents are). Plus, she pretty much inherited a poorly run kingdom, in the aftermath of the Fire Nation war ending. Her problem is that she's blaming it too much on the past, and is instead driving it further into the ground. But I would say, her father was pretty incompetent even after he got his head out of his ass and got rid of the Dai Li.
Ba Sing Se is a really massive city/state that pretty much needs to be overhauled and can't thrive under the old system. I think even if the Earth Queen wasn't a terrible person, these problems were inevitable. And so, you know....royalty always has a problem letting go of power.
The Silver
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my guess:
well his daughter was a princess and probably got a big ego from that. Earth King most likely spoiled and never disciplined her and as she got older she ran roughshod over her dad and hated his weakness.
Zantetsuken
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There is not nearly enough time for anything or anyone to develop. It definitely is a letdown.
Okay, I've officially run out of patience.
It was acceptable for a time since Zaheer needed time to free his team and it built up anticipation, but as of now, this is just filler, and not really good filler on top of that.
Okay, so the whole Lin character development through acupuncture thing was just weird and unnatural. Could they really not think of ANY way to give us those flashbacks besides repression and healing via external force? The whole thing is just so hamhanded, like they can't trust their characters to act like regular people, so they need a plot device to get an excuse to revisit these memories. And then Lin completely changes her demeanor because she got it out of her system by fighting Suyin. I guess they were trying to do a call back to Zuko and how he became all chipper near the end of Season 2, but that was one of the things I did not like about his character development for the same reason. And that was a life changing sort of thing for him, where as this whole thing is....really damn petty.
I mean, the situation was pretty simple. Suyin was totally in the wrong in the flashback, but this was thirty years ago. This whole episode makes everyone in the situation look bad. Suyin was young, but damn. She could have atleast been sorry she gave her sister that scar. And Toph covered up her crime, making her officially corrupt by any definition of the word, so that's just great. It seems the Gaang are really awful parents. Next we'll probably hear about how Zuko scarred his daughter to teach her how to be strong. Then Lin carries the grudge for a ridiculously long time...which I guess isn't without precedented. Lin held a grudge against Tenzin for over 10 years before they finally worked it out. It just makes her look spiteful if she goes around carrying grudges of every slight she felt she ever suffered her whole life. Lin was one of the characters that LoK established as both a reasonable authority figure and a badass. This episode undid that just so it could put her in a position to get there again when the sisters kiss and make up.
Meanwhile, we get a whole episode dedicated to Tenzin's shitty teaching....which wasn't awful in and of itself, but this is not the kind of filler we need. What makes filler good is that while the events don't directly impact the plot, they do develop important character elements that will affect the plot eventually, or we learn something new about the world, or something. For my part, I don't see how Tenzin's role as a teacher matters to anything going on with the Z-team. What happened in the episode is pretty much what I would have assumed happened offscreen. It's just an episode of Tenzin trying to reach deeze keeds with his trademarked ineffective methods. How the hell is this going to affect whats happening with Zaheer at all and why couldn't it be assumed? Even if at some point we have the new air nomads come in and fight the Z-team, why did we have to be shown this? Other than that, there are bits of this I didn't like. Jinora was damseled again. The spirits being used as a plot device is lame and so are their designs. They all look like lame pokemon. And what little worldbuilding it does, I think it hurts by making the whole thing exclusion focused because you have to be an airbender to be a REAL air nomad, right? Ugh.
To be clear, the problem isn't that the material itself is awful. The problem is that the show is officially just spinning its wheels at this point. The Z-team is awesome, but we are officially at the halfway point of the season, and the only thing that Zaheer has accomplished is he sprung his crew out of jail. That could have only been done in an episode or two, but I accepted them stretching it out over 4 episodes because it built anticipation and was cool. But the entire air temple infiltration was completely pointless and if he could magically know where he's at from meditating, he should have done that from the beginning.
The show got off to a really strong start and has most definitely been handling itself better than the past efforts, but its time for it to stop slacking off.
It was acceptable for a time since Zaheer needed time to free his team and it built up anticipation, but as of now, this is just filler, and not really good filler on top of that.
Okay, so the whole Lin character development through acupuncture thing was just weird and unnatural. Could they really not think of ANY way to give us those flashbacks besides repression and healing via external force? The whole thing is just so hamhanded, like they can't trust their characters to act like regular people, so they need a plot device to get an excuse to revisit these memories. And then Lin completely changes her demeanor because she got it out of her system by fighting Suyin. I guess they were trying to do a call back to Zuko and how he became all chipper near the end of Season 2, but that was one of the things I did not like about his character development for the same reason. And that was a life changing sort of thing for him, where as this whole thing is....really damn petty.
I mean, the situation was pretty simple. Suyin was totally in the wrong in the flashback, but this was thirty years ago. This whole episode makes everyone in the situation look bad. Suyin was young, but damn. She could have atleast been sorry she gave her sister that scar. And Toph covered up her crime, making her officially corrupt by any definition of the word, so that's just great. It seems the Gaang are really awful parents. Next we'll probably hear about how Zuko scarred his daughter to teach her how to be strong. Then Lin carries the grudge for a ridiculously long time...which I guess isn't without precedented. Lin held a grudge against Tenzin for over 10 years before they finally worked it out. It just makes her look spiteful if she goes around carrying grudges of every slight she felt she ever suffered her whole life. Lin was one of the characters that LoK established as both a reasonable authority figure and a badass. This episode undid that just so it could put her in a position to get there again when the sisters kiss and make up.
Meanwhile, we get a whole episode dedicated to Tenzin's shitty teaching....which wasn't awful in and of itself, but this is not the kind of filler we need. What makes filler good is that while the events don't directly impact the plot, they do develop important character elements that will affect the plot eventually, or we learn something new about the world, or something. For my part, I don't see how Tenzin's role as a teacher matters to anything going on with the Z-team. What happened in the episode is pretty much what I would have assumed happened offscreen. It's just an episode of Tenzin trying to reach deeze keeds with his trademarked ineffective methods. How the hell is this going to affect whats happening with Zaheer at all and why couldn't it be assumed? Even if at some point we have the new air nomads come in and fight the Z-team, why did we have to be shown this? Other than that, there are bits of this I didn't like. Jinora was damseled again. The spirits being used as a plot device is lame and so are their designs. They all look like lame pokemon. And what little worldbuilding it does, I think it hurts by making the whole thing exclusion focused because you have to be an airbender to be a REAL air nomad, right? Ugh.
To be clear, the problem isn't that the material itself is awful. The problem is that the show is officially just spinning its wheels at this point. The Z-team is awesome, but we are officially at the halfway point of the season, and the only thing that Zaheer has accomplished is he sprung his crew out of jail. That could have only been done in an episode or two, but I accepted them stretching it out over 4 episodes because it built anticipation and was cool. But the entire air temple infiltration was completely pointless and if he could magically know where he's at from meditating, he should have done that from the beginning.
The show got off to a really strong start and has most definitely been handling itself better than the past efforts, but its time for it to stop slacking off.
I only had an issue with Lin immediately feeling better after fighting her sister. It felt cheap, and kind of made a serious subject feel hokey. I also feel the writers were trying too hard to make us side with the sister, and to a degree I think this is bullshit. I don't really see a problem with her having her flashbacks using acupuncture though. I mean..it's Avatar. Pretty in line with something they would do. MAYBE Lin's sickness to the point she needed to get it all out, was rushed.
I mean, personally I think her having to stay with family that ruined her life, I could understand her cracking under her anger. But maybe the way they have her shift into needing to get it all out, was kind of fast? I dunno. I really didn't have an issue with the episode personally, and thought it was pretty good (outside the rushed resolution). I don't see why you have an issue with Lin carrying that grudge. Her mom was a shitty/terrible parent, and her sister was also a piece of shit. People can become bitter, and be weighed down by that stuff.
Infinite Justice
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hey guys whats going on in here.
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At least we know for certain in episode 8 that
Also, from watching the official trailer again we still have yet to see
Korra does finally meet Zaheer and co.
Also, from watching the official trailer again we still have yet to see
the sandbender/desert village where Asami (while riding Naga) carries an unconscious Korra away from the town and Mako and Bolin fight the Zteam.
The Silver
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I hated how her Toph and Suyin seemed to not care that Lin is now literally scarred for life.
I'd be fucking livid if I was Lin and Toph started yelling at me for doing the right thing and getting scarred in the process.
I'd be fucking livid if I was Lin and Toph started yelling at me for doing the right thing and getting scarred in the process.
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Post some porn again to keep us entertained till next week
Whoa wat, someone was posting porn? (like that time someone posted that Amon picture and got banned)?
I got the clapback Veelk, just wait on it.
breh wasn't it you who set her up in the first place? Cold blooded.
Comic spoilers:
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Post some porn again to keep us entertained till next week
breh wasn't it you who set her up in the first place? Cold blooded.
Comic spoilers:
Pretty sure Zuko is resting his honor in Suki now.
The elements are there that this season could have been on par with TLA, and on an episode-to-episode basis I can understand why people are saying this, but I don't think the whole product measures up. Of course, we can't make a final judgement on the season until it's over, but we're in the second half of this show's lifespan now. A lot of the character actions are stuff that should have happened in the first one or two seasons. And to be fair, some of it did. Tenzin confronting his inadequacies, Korra realizing that she always trusts the wrong person, learning anything about Beifong. But for these things to be happening now just highlights how much the characters have either just done things without changing or giving us any insight into their deeper selves so far in the show. While it's nice to see actual character development for once, they don't have a lot of time left for it to pay off in a sensible and meaningful way.
Basically, 31 episodes into ATLA (which was The Library/The Desert two-parter), most viewers were already heavily invested in the main characters and in their overall quest. There had been a sense of high stakes since at least the Winter Solstice two-parter in the first half of Book 1, and we'd already seen the characters grow and change considerably. Here, it mostly feels like we're just watching characters do things that the plot demands rather than people behaving believably. The reset button that got hit after the Equalist uprising didn't help either. It's nice to see actual consequences beginning to happen, but this should have all happened a long time ago.
w h y
The Silver
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WOAH WOAH WUT DA HELL
BigBadGiantHand
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The last epsidoes of the Book is entitled
Venom of the Red Lotus
PS- Loved these two epsidoes, even if 7 was kind of fillery.
The whole thing was just, like you said, hokey. This could have easily just been Lin thinking about it before Suyin walked into her room to confront her about her treatment of Opal. They didn't need to bring in a plot device to do it. And I agree, her character transformation was silly.
And her life was hardly ruined. She got a scar and Toph retired early, which is bad, but...like I said, it was 30 years ago and she has long since landed on her feet from any fall out that happened. And Toph and Suyin resolved this years ago, but she shut her ears from it. If this was more recent and still causing problems, fine, but to carry it for 30 years comes off as petty to me.
Yep, lol was going to post that...but forgot if they
got back together. I think she got tired of Zuko's depression over his mother, so she broke up with him.
I have no idea why anyone bothers with the comics. It feels like they mess with the canon just because they can.
Yeah that's what I'm talking about
:lol Yeah that was me. In my defense at the time I just expected a badly written fanfic and not what was eventually linked.
I suppose I'm enjoying of the things you listed. If only they had been booked for 4 Books in the first place :\
Infinite Justice
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Yea all three sides comes off as bad here tbh so i can't see why Lin gets a pass (especially when the main culprit has apparently changed for the better).
Because they help fill in the gaps between the two series (A:TLA and LoK).
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