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Initial Thoughts on Borderlands V Destiny

Borderlands is super boring after about level 15-20. It becomes super repetitive and the visual style really wears on me personally. Not enough bosses and the loot isnt as "randomly generated" as it seems. Unless you get to the end game, you are going to have similar weapons to all your buddies because the weapons you get from major events (bosses, quests) end up being much better than what you find randomly in the early game.

Borderlands 1 also really dropped the ball on multiplayer. Having someone who is a higher level than you join your game would ruin your entire experience. Your quest log is filled with ALL of their high level quests, spoiling everything.

I havent played Destiny... but from what Ive seen, it seems like a game more for me than Borderlands was.

Oh and the "humor" in Borderlands isnt good. Its pretty terrible honestly.
 
I liked the humor and loot better in BL, and like the graphic style, story, epic scope and gameplay better in Destiny.
 
BigDug13 said:
Haha man. It's crazy that a game that sold 10 million copies seems to have zero fans on GAF.
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Well there's that Kim Kardashian game...

Anyway Borderlands has issues but I love it to death, but comparing it to Destiny at this stage is stupid.
 
Hoo-doo said:
I have played Borderlands 1 and 2 both (although not to completetion, obviously). I just did not enjoy them at all.

It's the hideous art style and zanyness of the entire franchise that makes me want to go: "nah, i'm good".
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God forbid games show a little personality and fun. Save us Saint Marcus Fenix!
Not to mention Borderlands has a LOT more variety in terms of classes and like a ZILLION?! GUNZ!
 
Never enjoyed Borderlands but am Loving destiny. I think the comparison is weak outside of head numbers they have very little in common. Destiny is Phantasy Star Online with Halo gameplay.
 
1upmuffin said:
It is weird to compare full games to a beta, but to be fair, I didn't enjoy the gunplay in Borderlands 1 or 2, while I really enjoy it in Destiny so far.
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The gunplay is Borderlands is trash though, so that's not really saying much.

I've been enjoying the gunplay in Destiny a million times more than Borderlands; it's so much more enjoyable to play.

It's hard to compare a completed game with a beta though in terms of content.
 
im with op. i dont understand all the hype with destiny. is a very mediocre/standard game with a lot of marketing. i played for like 30 minutes.
 
Wickerbasket said:
The gunplay is Borderlands is trash though, so that's not really saying much. I've been enjoying the gunplay in Destiny a million times more than Borderlands; it's so much more enjoyable to play.
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Don't forget that the Sparrow you get is a zillion times more fun to drive around (and any vehicle really) than any of the vehicles in Borderlands. Then again, I'd expect them to have that Halo vehicle creation experience.
 
Borderlands 2

+ Local co-op
+ Humour and better characters
+ Colourful environments
+ Fun quests
- Too many crappy guns
- No PVP

Destiny beta

+ Excellent graphics
+ Great feeling weapons
- No local co-op
- Po-faced story and generic player characters
- Crappy PVP

Overall Borderlands seems like the better game to me. Although I don't care about The Pre Sequel at all Borderlands 3 on PS4/One should smoke Destiny.
 
BigDug13 said:
I could counter with Peter Dinklage quotes. Both games have their writing issues.
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Well, I didn't say Destiny had good writing, either. I just think that if you're going to tout Borderlands as being 'more fun' because it's ghost written by Reddit, you're taking a shaky stance.
 
Untalkative_Bunny said:
LOOT:

Borderlands wins here as well, and it comes down to how they set things up with their random loot generating algorithm, with millions of possibilities. It was great fun opening boxes. B also had better lore behind the weapons.
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Would be impossible to disagree more. Borderlands' constant examinations of new weapons and comparing them to your inventory is what killed the game for me. And the limited carry capacity made choices in compromise even more painful.
 
Sharkiller said:
im with op. i dont understand all the hype with destiny. is a very mediocre/standard game with a lot of marketing. i played for like 30 minutes.
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You seem qualified to write a full blown review then after that huge amount of time you invested.
 
Can those who prefer Destiny at least elaborate abit? Personally, I've played both and both felt the same to me. I'd tilt it abit more towards Destiny though since I like the sci-fi setting more.
 
I dunno, I played Destiny Beta for about 3 hours and the game just doesn't bring anything new to the table as of yet imo, it's very bland in terms of things to atually do (I did nothing but shoot dudes in a few areas over and over again). It plays well, I'll admit and it looks and feels suitably epic, but after a few hours I was already bored to death with it. I just don't see the game changing much, except for having some more epic large-scale fights and having different locations.
 
Destiny is just a beta, but I have played both BL games. Probably racked about 80 hours in both. Destiny is far more interesting than both games in the limited time I have spent with it.
 
Dio said:
Well, I didn't say Destiny had good writing, either. I just think that if you're going to tout Borderlands as being 'more fun' because it's ghost written by Reddit, you're taking a shaky stance.
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I don't know, the humor is hit or miss but I have yet to hear anything in the Destiny story that interested me. It plays great, but the lore and story...not feeling it yet.
 
Uiki said:
http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Bosses

and 12 raid bosses.
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I guess it wasnt the amount that bothered me per say, it was more so that the Bosses werent spread out evenly enough. Im a person who really gets engaged when there's a challenge like a boss. The outcome is always rewarding. But in BL1 and 2.. it seemed like I had only fought one boss by level 20 and I was already sick of the game at that point.

To where as with a real MMO, your early level dungeons are spread out decently well to encourage you to keep pushing through to get to the next.

I think with Destiny's random boss event battles and other things to mix it up, it will end up having more longevity in terms of playability for me. Im also hoping that because Destiny doesnt have "a gajillion guns" that there is more emphasis on loot. Borderlands was cool because it did have so many guns, but you never stayed with a gun long before you found a better one. There was zero relationship/connection built between you and the loot that you were working so hard to get.

Again, I havent even touched Destiny and I have been semi-blackout for the most part. I just have alot of gripes about the BL series and I really hope that Destiny achieves much more than that. While I do still enjoy Borderlands, there are some faults in the game that just glare back at me too hard when I play... :(
 
Yeah I'm not very impressed with the Destiny beta so far either. The story and characters are extremely unmemorable, the world is empty and bland, and the RPG aspects are fairly shallow. The gunfighting feels good but very repetitive. Unless the game gets way different and amazing in the endgame, this isn't for me at all.

Not really a fan of Borderlands either, but the reasons that make me dislike BL and Destiny are almost exactly the same reasons except Destiny doesn't have awful humor.
 
Never could get into Borderlands. Don't like the artstyle, don't like the bullet sponge enemies, don't like looking down and comparing guns every three seconds,and I don't find them funny at all.

So from the little I have played of Destiny I can tell I'll probably like it better.
 
Gurrry said:
I guess it wasnt the amount that bothered me per say, it was more so that the Bosses werent spread out evenly enough. Im a person who really gets engaged when there's a challenge like a boss. The outcome is always rewarding. But in BL1 and 2.. it seemed like I had only fought one boss by level 20 and I was already sick of the game at that point.

To where as with a real MMO, your early level dungeons are spread out decently well to encourage you to keep pushing through to get to the next.

I think with Destiny's random boss event battles and other things to mix it up, it will end up having more longevity in terms of playability for me. Im also hoping that because Destiny doesnt have "a gajillion guns" that there is more emphasis on loot. Borderlands was cool because it did have so many guns, but you never stayed with a gun long before you found a better one. There was zero relationship/connection built between you and the loot that you were working so hard to get.

Again, I havent even touched Destiny and I have been semi-blackout for the most part. I just have alot of gripes about the BL series and I really hope that Destiny achieves much more than that. While I do still enjoy Borderlands, there are some faults in the game that just glare back at me too hard when I play... :(
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Borderlands 2. You fight knuckledragger by level 1 (story). You can fight midgemong by level 5 (optional). You fight Boom Bewm by level 6 (story). You fight Flynt by level 6 or 7 (story).

Maybe what you said about lack of bosses applies to BL1, but certainly not BL2.
 
Neuromancer said:
Borderlands 2 has the most obnoxious dialogue and characters in video game history. I'll take a dry Dinklage any day.
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that might have been it for me with BL2. I beat and never wanted to go back, the writing was just so obnoxiously drunk on meme's and often cringy attempts at humor. I liked borderlands space-western style more. It was more cohesive.
 
There was that one time I turned on Borderlands 2 and claptrap was screaming at me some HILARIOUS dialog about how HILARIOUS he was and I had to shut it off

I don't like the fundamentals in Borderlands. I think the guns are not fun to shoot. I don't think the enemies react in satisfying ways to getting shot. I don't like how the game looks or sounds (sounds particularly). I don't like how the levels are designed. I HATE the UI. Destiny's UI is so brilliant. But it also has a lot less loot like shitting up everything. And it also doesn't have the worst writing ever.
 
hey

you know what Destiny has that Borderlands doesn't?

quality FPS mechanics.




And that's all there is to it.

Destiny might be 'inoffensive' but at least its moment to moment gameplay isn't as utterly boilerplate as an AAA shooter can get.
 
The Smoking Bun said:
Right, safe and inoffensive is better. You are GOOD GUY and you KILL BAD ALIENS and there is MOON WIZARD SHIP that looks pretty but you can't go there.
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The game is definitely very polished but it doesn't really shine for me. Maybe not mediocre, but uninspired and safe. Nothing mind blowing, just a lot of polish and very "expected" design decisions.

There's definitely a market for a game like this, and it's in no way a shitty game, but it's definitely not a game for me.
 
Untalkative_Bunny said:
I don't know if it is entirely fair to judge things based on a beta vs 2 full games, but when has the internet ever been fair.

COOP FUN:

Imo, Borderlands is more fun. The world colourful (literally and figuratively), humorous, and filled with interesting stuff. Firing up Destiny, you get Dinklage telling you to go here, kill that, & leave. Its lore is dry and utterly humourless.

LOOT:

Borderlands wins here as well, and it comes down to how they set things up with their random loot generating algorithm, with millions of possibilities. It was great fun opening boxes. B also had better lore behind the weapons.

CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT

Again, I have to go with BLs here, and basically only for one reason: COOP character = PvP character.

The good PvP gear in Destiny, which you absolutely require if you don't want to get one-shoted and cause your team to lose everytime, is entirely separate from the COOP gear.

This makes it like two separate games because your coop character /= your pvp character. That is a terrible decision to make when people are spending dozens of hours levelling and customizing a character. It prevents the attachment to the character and gear that occurred in BL for me.

PVP FUN

In Borderlands, it pretty much was just an extension of the game. You dueled other players with you character. It added some fun and excitement, but it wasn't particularly fleshed out or extensive.

Destiny's PvP looks to be quite separate from the game, as described above. I found it unfun because the separation of coop character and pvp character, and the necessity of grinding for pvp gear.

I just want one character.

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Here is a quote Joe Staten, Destiny's creative lead describing what he sees as the differences:
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I really don't get where this pvp character /= co-op character stuff is coming from. They are one character, you really really really don't have to grind for gear in control, it's all stat normalised and the extra effects are exactly that, little extras. If you can't aim for shit, it doesn't matter what you've got.
 
BigDug13 said:
I don't know, the humor is hit or miss but I have yet to hear anything in the Destiny story that interested me. It plays great, but the lore and story...not feeling it yet.
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I didn't really pick it up for the lore and story, but since I also played the alpha and they added a very large amount of content regarding the Destiny 'world' to the beta that wasn't there before, I think you're going to be seeing a lot more lore+story stuff. How do Ghosts resurrect people? What are those blue faced guys and why do they exist? How does spinmetal grow, and did they use it when terraforming planets to make machines? Why are these alien races fighting amongst each other rather than working together to kill you?

They're giving you a very tiny taste of the game to get you addicted, which I'm not really but playing this game with friends is a blast.
 
Gurrry said:
Borderlands was cool because it did have so many guns, but you never stayed with a gun long before you found a better one. There was zero relationship/connection built between you and the loot that you were working so hard to get
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Every single one of the 151 bosses drops a unique legendary (random generated from a pool of parts) that you actually need later on.
I got a couple of characters with their specific weapons/shields/class mods/nades that I farmed to get....I can't disagree more about this.

B2 was a mess at launch and the fact that most content is on dlcs is so fucked up it's not even funny. That's the only problem I got with it.
 
Why do people always use the word "dry" always to describe various aspects of Destiny when comparing it to Borderlands? I mean, you can think it's dry, we all have our own opinions. It's just in those particular cases, people seem to call it dry just because it takes a more serious approach and isn't humor filled. Just because it's less cartoony and goofy doesn't mean it's "dry"
 
Hoo-doo said:
I haven't enjoyed a single Borderlands game, yet I played over 15 hours of a goddamn 4-mission Destiny beta.

The gulf in quality is vast.
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Pretty much this.

I played both Borderlands 1 and 2 and they didn't hold my interest. Missions felt repetitive and the whole universe was uninteresting.

Destiny is the exact same opposite. I played the Alpha and the Beta and I can't wait for the full release to play it more and see everything it has to offer.

To me, Borderlands can't touch Destiny.
 
BigDug13 said:
Borderlands 2. You fight knuckledragger by level 1 (story). You can fight midgemong by level 5 (optional). You fight Boom Bewm by level 6 (story). You fight Flynt by level 6 or 7 (story).

Maybe what you said about lack of bosses applies to BL1, but certainly not BL2.
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I guess it was just super unmemorable for me then. I still enjoyed the game, but it just missed for me on a few key areas. I just really hope Destiny isnt that way, but I have a feeling it could fall into some of the same traps.
 
I've been making my way through borderlands 2 4 player co-op and I'm about half way. So far with just the destiny beta alone I'm loving it way more then BL2. The one main negative is destiny only allowing 3 player is a shame

My issues with BL2
- enemy difficulty scales way too high IMO when 4 player
- people stay way too long in menus messing around and you can't change zones
- the gameplay is quite dull at times. Most gear feels to not mean much but you spend a ton analyzing it.
- the skill tree seems to be designed to not max out by end game. The skill points should be doled out faster
- I don't like fighting over loot with friends
- the "humor" gets grating after a while
- the health and resurrection mechanic annoys me. You end up on 4 player ressing way too often

With destiny the gunplay is soo much better that just mowing down mobs is always satisfying.
-Loot drops don't cause tension in co op. Especially good with randoms
-The blending of other players works great even when going solo
-A streamlined leveling ability system. And I like leveling up of gear
- I really look forward to the raids as I found the one strike mission a lot of fun
- not all loot is random. There's good MMO like end gear goals.
- the world is interesting.
 
XtaLarge said:
hey

you know what Destiny has that Borderlands doesn't?

quality FPS mechanics.




And that's all there is to it.

Destiny might be 'inoffensive' but at least its moment to moment gameplay isn't as utterly boilerplate as an AAA shooter can get.
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How is borderlands boilerplate? It plays like old school doom as opposed to every post 2006 shooter especially Halo
BL was always sold as Diablo with GUNZ!
 
The Smoking Bun said:
How is borderlands boilerplate? It plays like old school doom as opposed to every post 2006 shooter especially Halo
BL was always sold as Diablo with GUNZ!
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Poor feedback in weapons, terrible hit detection for starters. Borderlands feels really floaty in gunplay/movement.
 
Dont see any similarities with these games, why do they get compared, BL is a wacky cartoonish game and Destiny is sci fi, they dont look the same and dont play the same besides shooting a weapon, Destiny is far from a loot game.
 
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