Hamas is over exaggerated by Israel, there fire power is like fireworks in comparison with Israel capabilities. There overkilling in terms in killing civilians while Hamas heads are resting safely in other countries like Qatar and Turkey. My concern are the innocent civilians in Gaza that are being targeted while Hamas can get away with their crap and Israel knowing all this are happily continuing the killing machine.Hamas can't do anything to protect its own people. What they're doing now, awful though it may be, is all they can do. It's either this, or do nothing.
TPalestinians are literally fighting with stones, that's a freaking joke! This "war" is massively lopsided.
That's a pretty big stretch.
A couple of idiots MK does not represents an entire country / leadership and even so, if those two had their way, Gaza would be a huge hole in the ground by now. We're talking about an army that can level entire cities in seconds.
Karl Penhaul is doing solid reporting for CNN from Shaj'ya. Hopefully CNN doesn't pull him out. Another journalist to follow on Twitter.
Karl Penhaul is doing solid reporting for CNN from Shaj'ya. Hopefully CNN doesn't pull him out. Another journalist to follow on Twitter.
Anne Barnard, of the New York Times is also very good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXRO1YFreNA
This pretty much sums up a lot of what's going on, do not fall for the mainstream corporate owned media. .
On the eve of Abu Khudairs lynching, Member of Knesset (Israels parliament) and government faction whip Ayelet Shaked issued a call over Facebook to ethnically cleanse the land, declaring the entire Palestinian people is the enemy. She advocated their complete destruction, including its elderly and its women, adding that these must be slaughtered, otherwise they might give birth to more little snakes.
After the IDF completes the softening of the targets with its firepower, the IDF will conquer the entire Gaza, using all the means necessary to minimize any harm to our soldiers, with no other considerations, Feiglin writes in one of several calls for outright war crimes.
Following the reconquest, Israels army will thoroughly eliminate all armed enemies from Gaza. The enemy population that is innocent of wrongdoing and separated itself from the armed terrorists will be treated in accordance with international law and will be allowed to leave, Feiglin writes.
Gaza is part of our Land and we will remain there forever, Feiglin concludes. Subsequent to the elimination of terror from Gaza, it will become part of sovereign Israel and will be populated by Jews. This will also serve to ease the housing crisis in Israel.
Anne Barnard, of the New York Times is also very good.
Rockets aren't paper planes. Rockets kill people. It doesn't matter if Iron Dome shoots down 90% of them, if 1 gets through and kills a civilian it's too many. If the people of Palestine aren't interested in war with Israel then they shouldn't have elected Hamas. It's a recurring problem in the middle east that countries elect radical governments (the brotherhood in Egypt) and then act shocked whenever they're at war being used as human shields (hamas) or their own government begins treating them like subjects in a theocracy (muslim brotherhood).
Hamas' charter explicitly states they seek the destruction of Israel, and they routinely rocket civilian population centers, but I'm supposed to believe Israel is the bad guy here? Anytime civilians die due to the actions of a government, be it theirs or another, it is a tragedy. But Hamas shares equal blame in this, and condemning Israel after attacking Gaza is like condemning a bear that attacks after being poked with a stick for months.
Hamas has issued a social-media activist awareness campaign, aimed at guiding pro-Palestinian Twitter and Facebook content.
You can watch the video here: إلى نشطاء الفيسبوك ... انتبهوا وخليكم واعيين !!!
An English translation of the video is available here.
I suppose then, by your logic, anyone who expresses a pro-Pelestinian view/opinion could be associated with Hamas.
I agree. The argument that Hamas "no longer abideby that charter" is misleading and is used to legitimize Hamas.
In a 2007 meeting with Congressman Gary Ackerman, Netanyahu laid out his refusal to divide Jerusalem and return to the 1967 borderscore components of a viable two-state solution. Two WikiLeaks cables from 2009 reveal that once he got in the prime ministers seat, his vision stayed the same. He told a Congressional delegation that a Palestinian state must be demilitarized, without control over its air space and electro-magnetic field, and without the power to enter into treaties or control its borders.
Both Ayelet Shaked and Feiglin are hardcore, extremist, right-wing psychos and by no mean represents the Israeli government.
I can find countless examples on the Palestinian side that recount the same poison and worse.
Got to be careful!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QOPOdstx-4#t=640
Don't want to look too judgmental.
I think you may have pasted the wrong article. I was referring to the source of your two quotes. These two:
Op-Ed: My Outline for a Solution in Gaza
Clear and concise, the steps towards achieving quiet in Gaza.
Published: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:01 PM
MK Moshe Feiglin
Moshe Feiglin is head of the Manhigut Yehudit [Jewish Leadership] faction...
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Ultimatum – One warning from the Prime Minister of Israel to the enemy population, in which he announces that Israel is about to attack military targets in their area and urges those who are not involved and do not wish to be harmed to leave immediately. Sinai is not far from Gaza and they can leave. This will be the limit of Israel’s humanitarian efforts. Hamas may unconditionally surrender and prevent the attack.
Attack – Attack the entire ‘target bank’ throughout Gaza with the IDF’s maximum force (and not a tiny fraction of it) with all the conventional means at its disposal. All the military and infrastructural targets will be attacked with no consideration for ‘human shields’ or ‘environmental damage’. It is enough that we are hitting exact targets and that we gave them advance warning.
Siege – Parallel to the above, a total siege on Gaza. Nothing will enter the area. Israel, however, will allow exit from Gaza. (Civilians may go to Sinai, fighters may surrender to IDF forces).
Defense – Any place from which Israel or Israel’s forces were attacked will be immediately attacked with full force and no consideration for ‘human shields’ or ‘environmental damage’.
Conquer – After the IDF completes the "softening" of the targets with its fire-power, the IDF will conquer the entire Gaza, using all the means necessary to minimize any harm to our soldiers, with no other considerations.
Elimination- The GSS and IDF will thoroughly eliminate all armed enemies from Gaza. b[]The enemy population that is innocent of wrong-doing and separated itself from the armed terrorists will be treated in accordance with international law and will be allowed to leave. Israel will generously aid those who wish to leave.[/b]
Sovereignty – Gaza is part of our Land and we will remain there forever. Liberation of parts of our land forever is the only thing that justifies endangering our soldiers in battle to capture land. Subsequent to the elimination of terror from Gaza, it will become part of sovereign Israel and will be populated by Jews. This will also serve to ease the housing crisis in Israel. The coastal train line will be extended, as soon as possible, to reach the entire length of Gaza.
According to polls, most of the Arabs in Gaza wish to leave. Those who were not involved in anti-Israel activity will be offered a generous international emigration package. Those who choose to remain will receive permanent resident status. After a number of years of living in Israel and becoming accustomed to it, contingent on appropriate legislation in the Knesset and the authorization of the Minister of Interior, those who personally accept upon themselves Israel’s rule, substance and way of life of the Jewish State in its Land, will be offered Israeli citizenship.
Moshe Zalman Feiglin (Hebrew: משה פייגלין‎, born 31 July 1962) is an Israeli politician and columnist. He is Deputy Speaker of the Knesset, Knesset Member, and head of the Manhigut Yehudit ("Jewish Leadership") faction of Israel's governing Likud party.
Thanks pal,Israelis kidnapped and murdered the three Israeli teenagers? Israel is attacking Gaza because of natural gas?
Here you go bud.
It is never the answer. You should no better than to suggest that people should stay oppressed.
Thanks pal,
There is no evidence supporting Hamas having killed those three teenagers, and even if he did, what gave Israel the right to kill innocent civilians? Israel isn't defending itself, the death toll speaks for itself.
Of course is over resources, it's always over resources. Look at 911, that was all for oil, go on label me with a dumb hat, just because I don't buy into the corporate press that have been consistently lying time and again, yet you expect me to suddenly believe them now? U.S. donates 'sympathy money' (3 billion dollars every year and the US is in debt) to Israel out of taxpayers money, Israel/Zionists own America, they're buddies, of course U.S. state own media won't back talk Israel.
Sovereignty Gaza is part of our Land and we will remain there forever. Liberation of parts of our land forever is the only thing that justifies endangering our soldiers in battle to capture land. Subsequent to the elimination of terror from Gaza, it will become part of sovereign Israel and will be populated by Jews. This will also serve to ease the housing crisis in Israel. The coastal train line will be extended, as soon as possible, to reach the entire length of Gaza.
According to polls, most of the Arabs in Gaza wish to leave. Those who were not involved in anti-Israel activity will be offered a generous international emigration package. Those who choose to remain will receive permanent resident status. After a number of years of living in Israel and becoming accustomed to it, contingent on appropriate legislation in the Knesset and the authorization of the Minister of Interior, those who personally accept upon themselves Israels rule, substance and way of life of the Jewish State in its Land, will be offered Israeli citizenship.
And if you actually believe that people like Netanyahou don't have very similar desires, yet are smarter about what they say and how they execute, then you haven't been paying attention.
In April, a unity government was formed between the PA and Hamas. Netanyahu was enraged by the unity government - and he called the US and EU to break relations with the unity government. Surprisingly, the US said no - that they would give the unity government time and see if it works or not. The EU said the same. Angered, Netanyahu was determined to break up the unity government. The 3 kids that were abducted was used as pretext, though there was no evidence of Hamas involvement. The pretext was to go into the West Bank, attack Hamas, arrest 700 members of Hamas, blow up 2 homes, carry on their ransackings, and to try to evoke a reaction from Hamas. An Israeli political scientist, Avner Yaniv calls these offensives, "Palestinian Peace Offenses" - whenever the Palestinians seemed like they tried to reach a settlement of the conflict (which the unity gov't was) at that point, Israel does everything it can to provoke a violent reaction from Hamas, who use force as a way to get international attention, and Israel has its pretext. And when the reaction comes, Israel can claim that they can't deal with these people, because they're terrorists. Hamas does some pretty despicable things, but I can see the frustration and hopelessness.
Anyone have a link to the Wikileak report mentioned here? And one wonders if Netanyahu or Israel is after peace?...
http://mondoweiss.net/2013/06/bradley-manning-israelpalestine.html
Tell me if I have this wrong in some way: Hamas tactically fortified themselves in civilian areas and are Israel wouldn't be able to attack these known places without civilian death? It sounds like nobody could win in that situation.
Non violence has lost them more land, and led to a faster growth in illegal Israeli settlement expansion than ever before. Simply sitting around letting your homes be destroyed and your people scattered is not the answer. At least if they resist, people are drawn to their plight and the international community can do more in terms of pressure, especially economically and in terms of sanctions or boycotts.You guys are acting like there has never been nonviolent resistance, ever, that has worked out for anyone. Hamas will never be a part of a 2 state solution, Israel won't allow it.
Tell me if I have this wrong in some way: Hamas tactically fortified themselves in civilian areas and are Israel wouldn't be able to attack these known places without civilian death? It sounds like nobody could win in that situation.
That's because Israel will never allow the two station solution. They've done everything in their power to make sure it doesn't happen, even before the rise of Hamas.You guys are acting like there has never been nonviolent resistance, ever, that has worked out for anyone. Hamas will never be a part of a 2 state solution, Israel won't allow it.
Yea, asking people for their support and paying your students $2000 each for doing it, not quite the same thing.
Side note, is this source/translation legitimate?
You routinely use MEMRI as a source (like for the translation link here), a known propaganda tool, criticised by many (journalists and political scientists alike) for its misleading tact, and founded by right wing zionists (by their own admission) including ex Israeli intelligence.
I saw on the previous page you posted a link from The Blaze. You do realise this is a site owned by Glenn Beck? Another right wing hack, and another source that is unreliable and pushing it's own slanted narrative.
Like I said earlier, please try and find better sources for these news pieces if you want to be taken more seriously.
How is that even comparable to the JIDF and how it operates?
And linking to MEMRI translations? Seriously?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/12/worlddispatch.brianwhitaker
"Beware of spreading rumors from Israeli spokesmen, particularly those that harm the home front. Be wary regarding accepting the occupation's version [of events]. You must always cast doubts on this [version], disprove it, and treat it as false.
The same APC that senior IDF officers were strictly against sending out? The same APC that were 50 years old? Of course Gaza is going to try and fight back, at least it was soldiers and not civilians. However you should ask yourself why did they send an old rusty tin bucket out in the Gaza strip, goes to show how much they care about there own soldiers.These magic "stones" just blew up an APC with 7 soldiers inside, along with another 6 others using RPGs, AK's, etc. Hamas is well funded and well equip.
You guys are acting like there has never been nonviolent resistance, ever, that has worked out for anyone. Hamas will never be a part of a 2 state solution, Israel won't allow it.
Rockets aren't paper planes. Rockets kill people. It doesn't matter if Iron Dome shoots down 90% of them, if 1 gets through and kills a civilian it's too many 1. If the people of Palestine aren't interested in war with Israel then they shouldn't have elected Hamas. It's a recurring problem in the middle east that countries elect radical governments (the brotherhood in Egypt) and then act shocked whenever they're at war being used as human shields (hamas) or their own government begins treating them like subjects in a theocracy (muslim brotherhood) 2.
3Hamas' charter explicitly states they seek the destruction of Israel, and they routinely rocket civilian population centers, but I'm supposed to believe Israel is the bad guy here? Anytime civilians die due to the actions of a government, be it theirs or another, it is a tragedy. But Hamas shares equal blame in this, and condemning Israel after attacking Gaza is like condemning a bear that attacks after being poked with a stick for months.
Political talks would aim at achieving an agreement within certain limits, the economic approach would promote foreign and Arab investment and joint projects with
Israeli partners, while the security track would continue to build up the PA's security forces. In order to do any of this, Netanyahu noted, he will need a Palestinian partner.
PA Prime Minister Fayyad said he was happy with the PA's security forces, and they want to take on increased responsibility for security in Jericho and Jenin. Netanyahu replied that Israel would be happy to let them do more, but it is not clear what Hamas will do next. If Hamas forces a confrontation, Israel will have to initiate further military action in Gaza. Israel did not want to go back into Gaza, but it will do what is necessary to protect its people.
There is a consensus in the government and among 80% of the Israeli public that the Palestinians should be able to govern themselves. The only limits on Palestinian sovereignty would be elements that affect Israel's security. A Palestinian state must be demilitarized, without control over its air space and electro-magnetic field, and without the power to enter into treaties or control its borders.
Palestinians not only need to deal with terrorism, they also need a functioning legal system. Moving from a lawless system, the Palestinian Authority is showing
some pride, but police are not enough, they need courts and jails that work.
I still need to look into this more, I hate the fact we turned this into a political discussion when innocent lives are being annihilated. The pessimistic side of me says Gaza is going to be destroyed and 'humanity' (if we can even call ourselves humans anymore) will just move one and forget about this in time.In your opinion, who's backing up Hamas? I mean they keep getting updated weapons with every insurgence...Red Cross? UN? Russia?
As shitty as this situation is, it's amazing that people think that Israel should just turn the other cheek when almost 2000 rockets have been launched into their country over the last month.
It's also amazing that people think Palestinians should just do nothing when Israel continuously occupies their territories, steals their land and demolishes their structures, as they have done for decades on end.As shitty as this situation is, it's amazing that people think that Israel should just turn the other cheek when almost 2000 rockets have been launched into their country over the last month.
......... headless children, children with overflowing intestines. Why did I even look.Gore images taken my Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert in Gaza.
I REPEAT, GORE, NSFW!
http://www.ivarjohansen.no/images/stories/pdf/fotogaza17072014.pdf
I still need to look into this more, I hate the fact we turned this into a political discussion when innocent lives are being annihilated. The pessimistic side of me says Gaza is going to be destroyed and 'humanity' (if we can even call ourselves humans anymore) will just move one and forget about this in time.
You guys are acting like there has never been nonviolent resistance, ever, that has worked out for anyone. Hamas will never be a part of a 2 state solution, Israel won't allow it.
Hamas is winning the pr war.This is exactly what's happening.
2. Israel isn't a theocracy? Last I heard it defined itself as a "Jewish state".
The same APC that senior IDF officers were strictly against sending out? The same APC that were 50 years old? Of course Gaza is going to try and fight back, at least it was soldiers and not civilians. However you should ask yourself why did they send an old rusty tin bucket out in the Gaza strip, goes to show how much they care about there own soldiers.
BTW is it even confirmed that they were hit by RPGs? If so, by whom then? Israel openly admit to dropping over 400 tonnes of bombs on innocent civilians...
I was talking about the civilians fighting back, not Hamas' soldiers, there are little kids pelting stones at tanks for Christ sake!
As shitty as this situation is, it's amazing that people think that Israel should just turn the other cheek when almost 2000 rockets have been launched into their country over the last month.
