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2014 Israel-Gaza Conflict [UN: 1,525+ Palestinian dead, mostly civilian; 66 Israeli]

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Just saw those gorey pics. Why did i have to do it...fuuuuuckkk on ramadan too fuck man :(

Any douchebag that defends that shit needs to be shot into space.
 
Timedog said:
What's the John Kerry thing? I don't get his comments off camera. Can someone explain?
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He sarcastically made fun of Israel's so-called 'precision' strikes and said they need to get back over there (ie to Israel to sort out the mess).
 
Dash27 said:
Sure is. Who is that crazy woman? Specifically at 7:19 or so "Well it turns out Israeli's and Jews do exactly this" to which she was referring to the apparent torture and killing of a Palestinian teen. So essentially she's a carbon copy of who she's decrying.

It is interesting to see though. Fair and balanced ;)
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Yes, fair and balanced like Israel's continued colonization, expansion of settlements, oppression, grossly disproportionate slaughter and genocidal actions towards a population that has been forced to live walled in like a can of sardines into an open air concentration camp. How dare they fight back against that. Israel has all the rights, but Palestinians have no rights.
 
It's most unfortunate. Only if Hamas had agreed to the Egyptian cease fire, a lot of this could have been avoided. Hamas is to blame as they brought this on the Palestinian people. Only if they would embrace the Arab spring and oust Hamas, their futures would be brighter.
 
ironcreed said:
Yes, fair and balanced like Israel's continued colonization, expansion of settlements, oppression, grossly disproportionate slaughter and genocidal actions towards a population that has been forced to live walled in like a can of sardines into an open air concentration camp. How dare they fight back against that. Israel has all the rights, but Palestinians have no rights.
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Has HAMAS done anything wrong at all in your opinion? Just out of curiosity. Or you just feel what that woman had to say was the truth and nothing but.

As for fighting back, if they really wanted to live in peace then no dont fight, negotiate in good faith. That would get more good publicity and put more pressure on Israel for a two state solution. Unless that's just not in HAMAS's best interests, which seems to be the case.
 
Chrome_Wolf said:
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Before that
 
Dash27 said:
So just drop the Jewish state thing that ...is the whole point of Israel in the first place.

Anyway as I said earlier I'm not really interested in defending Israeli actions since they're not perfect. But compared to HAMAS they certainly seem to be.

Israel gave Gaza back what, 10 years ago? Yanked it's settlers out by force pretty much. HAMAS was elected after that and the place turned into a munitions dump with tunnels everywhere for the purposes of what you see here today. Goad the IDF into retaliating and put dead Palestinian civilians on TV.

How much has HAMAS spent on tunnels and munitions compared to infrastructure and food for the citizens there?
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If you think it's OK for Israel to be a Jewish state then maybe it's OK for the US to be a Christian one? Almost 25% of the citizenry is non-Jewish. You can't convince me that Israel is a legitimate democracy when one group of people is constitutionally superior to another.

What does Hamas have to do with anything I've said? I've never mentioned them. But what do you expect people to do when you squeeze them?
 
RustyNails said:
Yep Israel has a mess on it's hands.

400 palestinians killed, 14 soldiers dead including 1 civilian volunteer, 12 tunnels destroyed and one soldier captured.

Keep in mind that Hamas escalated the rocket fire after Israel re-imprisoned people it freed after Shalit deal during the protests in WB about the burning of Abu Khdier.
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I believe they re-arrested most of those you're referring to after the teenagers were killed and before the Abu Khdier killing.
 
BLunted said:
It's most unfortunate. Only if Hamas had agreed to the Egyptian cease fire, a lot of this could have been avoided. Hamas is to blame as they brought this on the Palestinian people. Only if they would embrace the Arab spring and oust Hamas, their futures would be brighter.
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accept a ceasefire that they were never even consulted about.

who in there right mind would do that?

Al-Sisi in Egypt is scumbag who seems to have no issue with Israel murdering Palestinians.

oh and please stop this hamas is to blame rhetoric. It doesnt stand up and thankfully more people are starting to see that.
 
Just think: This all escalated because 3 teenage boys were killed by an unknown suspects that may not have even been Hamas. Do you think they would have wanted all this bloodshed to be committed in their name?
 
Dash27 said:
Has HAMAS done anything wrong at all in your opinion? Just out of curiosity. Or you just feel what that woman had to say was the truth and nothing but.

As for fighting back, if they really wanted to live in peace then no dont fight, negotiate in good faith. That would get more good publicity and put more pressure on Israel for a two state solution. Unless that's just not in HAMAS's best interests, which seems to be the case.
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Make no mistake, the only side I take is that of the innocent civilians that are being slaughtered as 'collateral damage' in grossly disproportionate attacks. Yet I think there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides for continuing to attack each other and I am certainly no fan of HAMAS.

But on the other side of the coin, I can't really blame the Palestinians in general for trying to fight back against such oppression and stealing of more land. What are they supposed to do, just stay walled in like good pets, living in piss-poor conditions with limited access to goods and submit? All while Israel continues to bulldoze and expand more settlements? How many Israelis get killed in such attacks vs Israel's insane response and continued siege of innocent people? ...There is no comparison.
 
Trojita said:
Just think: This all escalated because 3 teenage boys were killed by an unknown suspects that may not have even been Hamas. Do you think they would have wanted all this bloodshed to be committed in their name?
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An unamed source confirmed to the IDF that Hamas was behind these kidnappings, yet we have not seen any evidence that was derived from investigations or research into the matter. Instead the IDF started raiding houses, imprisoning people and air raids against Hamas in Gaza, all on the basis of that one unconfirmed source.
 
LNBL said:
You get statements like this, yet people want to defend Israel's actions by claiming world leader are supporting them. It's just a puppet show on the world stage.
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He's not unequivocally wrong. As he defined it, Kerry laid the context that aggression, in this case, isn't a simple, single event. His relevance is that a country should be allowed to defend itself from incursion and aggression by another entity.

He also goes on to say that the US is not comfortable with the death of children; no one should be. Nor, is the US comfortable with Israeli deaths. Kerry finally explains that the US advocates for a ceasefire and reasonable negotiations.

Now, as you defined it, I'm not sure a puppet of the pro-IDF lobby would advocate in such a way. Kerry was sensible, even-handed in his approach.
 
WonkyPanda said:
He's not unequivocally wrong. As he defined it, Kerry laid the context that aggression, in this case, isn't a simple, single event. His relevance is that a country should be allowed to defend itself from incursion and aggression by another entity.

He also goes on to say that the US is not comfortable with the death of children; no one should be. Nor, is the US comfortable with Israeli deaths. Kerry finally explains that the US advocates for a ceasefire and reasonable negotiations.

Now, as you defined it, I'm not sure a puppet of the pro-IDF lobby would advocate in such a way. Kerry was sensible, even-handed in his approach.
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Reading that, I would almost think that Palestina was occupying Israel and not the other way around.
 
zeroOman said:
And every one know if Hamas did this u would know cuz they wouldn't stop showing the evidence 24/7
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So they're at fault by default?
There is a whole war and thousand of wounded and dead hanging at this one accussion that the Hamas killed them. They maybe killed them so it's ok to wage war, yes?
 
Trojita said:
Just think: This all escalated because 3 teenage boys were killed by an unknown suspects that may not have even been Hamas. Do you think they would have wanted all this bloodshed to be committed in their name?
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and weeks before that... two Palestinian teens were shot, in cold blood, during a peaceful protest.

2 Palestinian teens killed > nothing happens
3 Israeli teens killed > bomb everything
 
ironcreed said:
But on the other side of the coin, I can't really blame the Palestinians in general for trying to fight back against such oppression and stealing of more land. What are they supposed to do, just stay walled in like good pets, living in piss-poor conditions with limited access to goods and submit? All while Israel continues to bulldoze and expand more settlements? How many Israelis get killed in such attacks vs Israel's insane response and continued siege of innocent people? ...There is no comparison.
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I think people would have a lot more sympathy for the Hamas if they would have attacked the bulldozers or military within Gaza instead of launching rockets in to Israel at civilians. It's the launching of rockets with no real target that makes them terrorists.
 
LNBL said:
Reading that, I would almost think that Palestina was occupying Israel and not the other way around.
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His reference is the use of tunnels being used to get into Israel. The tunnel network, among a multitude of other things, is his basis for that. I don't think he's factually wrong, either.
 
LNBL said:
An unamed source confirmed to the IDF that Hamas was behind these kidnappings, yet we have not seen any evidence that was derived from investigations or research into the matter. Instead the IDF started raiding houses, imprisoning people and air raids against Hamas in Gaza, all on the basis of that one unconfirmed source.
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So what you are saying is that the kidnappings are equivalent to the WMDs in Iraq?
 
kobashi100 said:
accept a ceasefire that they were never even consulted about.

who in there right mind would do that?

Al-Sisi in Egypt is scumbag who seems to have no issue with Israel murdering Palestinians.

oh and please stop this hamas is to blame rhetoric. It doesnt stand up and thankfully more people are starting to see that.
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Isreal wasn't "consulted" either, but they accepted it.
Who in there right mind would do that? A government with the best interests of it's people in mind maybe...

Israel uses iron dome rockets to protect it's citizens. Hamas uses it's citizens to protect it's rockets.

The ball has always been in Hamas' court. They could end this conflict in an instant, but wont. They want the body count to rise in hope to sway the uninitiated and anti-semites to their cause.
 
BLunted said:
Isreal wasn't "consulted" either, but they accepted it.
Who in there right mind would do that? A government with the best interests of it's people in mind maybe...

Israel uses iron dome rockets to protect it's citizens. Hamas uses it's citizens to protect it's rockets.

The ball has always been in Hamas' court. They could end this conflict in an instant, but wont. They want the body count to rise in hope to sway the uninitiated and anti-semites to their cause.
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If Hamas capitulates, then the settlements will steam roll over Gaza. What will be the excuse then?
 
But the fact is that most of the Arab World is not sympathetic with Hamas, the radical Islamic movement based in Gaza that has done everything in its power over the past two decades to prevent a regional peace between Israel and the Palestinians. Hamas is a protege of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt which was ousted in a military coup after its leader, Mohammed Morsi, won the presidency in an unprecedented Democratic election in the Arab World. The coup leader, Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, ran and won election as Morsi’s replacement.

The silence of the Arab World doesn’t reflect their acquiescence to Israel’s brutality, even though the Arab World has been quietly and steadily cozying up to Israel in exchange for increased foreign aid from the United States. Instead, it reflects their disdain for Hamas, which along with Hezbollah, represents that vanguard of Islamic extremism that parallels the American war-inspired rise of al-Qaeda and ISIS in Iraq.

Not one major statement from any Arab country condemning Israel’s brutality which continues to take Palestinian civilian lives. Not one word demanding restraint from Israel in the face of Hamas retaliatory rocket attacks targeting Israeli civilians that have been unsuccessful save for the killing of one Israel this week. Israel’s “iron dome” has been credited with preventing Hamas rockets from killing Israelis but that begs the question, then why be so brutal in attacking Hamas militants that end up killing civilians?
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Arab World AWOL in Israel-Hamas violence escalation
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...they-tweet-proisraeli-propaganda-8760142.html

Despicable, yet nothing new. But most do it are willing to do it for free, as evidenced by people in this thread. The same tired, lazy 5-6 cliches, repeated ad-nauseum, no matter how much they've been invalidated, is all I hear from the pro-Israeli apologists. Maybe some of you can sign up to this program, at least you'll benefit from parroting this propaganda.

Also, a must read, from a Norwegian Doctor in Gaza:

http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12920-letter-from-gaza-by-a-norwegian-doctor
 
Porthos said:
So what you are saying is that the kidnappings are equivalent to the WMDs in Iraq?
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The best summary in the thread:

Buzzati said:
In April, a unity government was formed between the PA and Hamas. Netanyahu was enraged by the unity government - and he called the US and EU to break relations with the unity government. Surprisingly, the US said no - that they would give the unity government time and see if it works or not. The EU said the same. Angered, Netanyahu was determined to break up the unity government. The 3 kids that were abducted was used as pretext, though there was no evidence of Hamas involvement. The pretext was to go into the West Bank, attack Hamas, arrest 700 members of Hamas, blow up 2 homes, carry on their ransackings, and to try to evoke a reaction from Hamas. An Israeli political scientist, Avner Yaniv calls these offensives, "Palestinian Peace Offenses" - whenever the Palestinians seemed like they tried to reach a settlement of the conflict (which the unity gov't was) at that point, Israel does everything it can to provoke a violent reaction from Hamas, who use force as a way to get international attention, and Israel has its pretext. And when the reaction comes, Israel can claim that they can't deal with these people, because they're terrorists. Hamas does some pretty despicable things, but I can see the frustration and hopelessness.
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Porthos said:
I think people would have a lot more sympathy for the Hamas if they would have attacked the bulldozers or military within Gaza instead of launching rockets in to Israel at civilians. It's the launching of rockets with no real target that makes them terrorists.
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On that I agree. But the response by Israel is insane and constitutes war crimes of the highest order, where innocent people in one of the most densely populated areas on the planet pay the price. Can you imagine being walled in like that, running around like rats as you are being bombed to hell and back by one of the most powerful armed forces in the world? But that is nothing new, and once again, nothing will be done about it.
 
BLunted said:
The ball has always been in Hamas' court. They could end this conflict in an instant, but wont. They want the body count to rise in hope to sway the uninitiated and anti-semites to their cause.
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That's rich. They could end the war, yes. But they can't end Israels forcefully occupation during peacetimes when they lay down arms. Just look what Israel did with their illegal settlements and harassing christians and muslims out of their homes when Hamas did nothing.
 
Porthos said:
So what you are saying is that the kidnappings are equivalent to the WMDs in Iraq?
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I'm not sure about that comparison. If you mean that the ground offensive was justified on a claim that is not based on any evidence at all, then yes.
 
ironcreed said:
Yes, fair and balanced like Israel's continued colonization, expansion of settlements, oppression, grossly disproportionate slaughter and genocidal actions towards a population that has been forced to live walled in like a can of sardines into an open air concentration camp. How dare they fight back against that. Israel has all the rights, but Palestinians have no rights.
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Disclaimer, I am Israeli, I also oppose the settlements, since I think they're detrimental to a lot of different factors.

However:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_City
Population density: 515566/45km^2 = 11457/km^2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_population_density
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_cities_proper_by_population_density
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population_density

odds are, there are over 100 denser cities then Gaza in the west, not to mention including cities in south america, east europe, asia and so on.

About calling what's happening in Gaza "genocide":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...an_territories#Demographics_of_the_Gaza_Strip
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=21&c=gz&l=en

No doubt that the deaths in the Gaza strip are a tragedy, however, calling what happens there a "genocide" is a travesty to actual, real genocides, like what happens in Syria, right now (1,000 times more deaths over there than in Gaza), or these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Darfur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide
 
Dropping leaflets almost guaranteed that the target was nothing but civilians. You think Hamas would stay put when given advanced notice of an attack?
 
Hellraizer said:
If Hamas capitulates, then the settlements will steam roll over Gaza. What will be the excuse then?
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The settlements issue is a West Bank issue, and is a completely different nut. All the Jewish settlers were removed from Gaza back in 2005(or was it 2006) when the IDF pulled out of Gaza.

The current Gaza conflict is about HAMAS and it' rockets. Israel said that once the terror tunnels and rockets caches have been destroyed and that peace in the area has been restored, the conflict would be over.
 
BLunted said:
The settlements issue is a West Bank issue, and is a completely different nut. All the Jewish settlers were removed from Gaza back in 2005(or was it 2006) when the IDF pulled out of Gaza.

The current Gaza conflict is about HAMAS and it' rockets. Israel said that once the terror tunnels and rockets caches have been destroyed and that peace in the area has been restored, the conflict would be over.
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So you agree the kidnapping of those kids was seen as an opportunity for Netanyahu to move into Gaza again, good.
 
RageBot said:
Disclaimer, I am Israeli, I also oppose the settlements, since I think they're detrimental to a lot of different factors.

However:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_City
Population density: 515566/45km^2 = 11457/km^2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_population_density
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_cities_proper_by_population_density
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population_density

odds are, there are over 100 denser cities then Gaza in the west, not to mention including cities in south america, east europe, asia and so on.

About calling what's happening in Gaza "genocide":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...an_territories#Demographics_of_the_Gaza_Strip
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=21&c=gz&l=en

No doubt that the deaths in the Gaza strip are a tragedy, however, calling what happens there a "genocide" is a travesty to actual, real genocides, like what happens in Syria, right now (1,000 times more deaths over there than in Gaza), or these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Darfur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide
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Yes, but it is still walled in on top of being so densely populated and the people have nowhere to go. And of course there have been far greater 'genocides', but that does not justify what is taking place and how grossly disproportionate it is. Innocent people are walled in under siege and are being bombed to hell and back as they lose more and more land. That is just the facts.
 
Chariot said:
That's rich. They could end the war, yes. But they can't end Israels forcefully occupation during peacetimes when they lay down arms. Just look what Israel did with their illegal settlements and harassing christians and muslims out of their homes when Hamas did nothing.
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Hey, I am not saying I am on board with the settlements. That is a completely different issue, and I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that all settlers were removed from Gaza back in '05 or "06. If i am wrong, please provide a link
 
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