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[Bigfoot]

I'm not sure about that comparison. If you mean that the ground offensive was justified on a claim that is not based on any evidence at all, then yes.

Yeah that's what I basically meant.

 

[TheChocolateWar]

Hey, I am not saying I am on board with the settlements. That is a completely different issue, and I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that all settlers were removed from Gaza back in '05 or "06. If i am wrong, please provide a link

Israel has been expanding settlements throughout the western bank and golan heights since then, slowly removing other areas of Palestinian sovereignty. (contrary to geneva convention)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AgldOjPIQ_M/UKlS08gwUMI/AAAAAAAAAvY/JOOT_Qdd1b8/s1600/Israel%2Bland%2Bprogression.png

 

[ironcreed]

Just for reference:

 

[Timedog]

odds are, there are over 100 denser cities then Gaza in the west, not to mention including cities in south america, east europe, asia and so on.

Does Gaza have huge buildings full of people where population goes "upward" because of lack of room, like most cities in the west? Genuine question, I don't know what gaza looks like.

 

[Chariot]

Hey, I am not saying I am on board with the settlements. That is a completely different issue, and I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that all settlers were removed from Gaza back in '05 or "06. If i am wrong, please provide a link

UN Panel: Israeli Settlements Are Illegal (Huffingtonpost, 2013)
THE HUMANITARIAN IMPACT OF ISRAELI SETTLEMENT POLICIES (UN, 2012)

Just two things I picked out quick. I am sure, you can find more with a swift google search.

 

[BLunted]

So you agree the kidnapping of those kids was seen as an opportunity for Netanyahu to move into Gaza again, good.

Where on earth did I say that? Hamas STARTED firing rockets from GAZA into Israel. Israel's actions were merely reciprocal.

You do understand that Gaza and the West Bank are not the same place, right?

 

[zeroOman]

So they're at fault by default?
There is a whole war and thousand of wounded and dead hanging at this one accussion that the Hamas killed them. They maybe killed them so it's ok to wage war, yes?

Hell no.... and don't forgot how many Palestine die before this war? did u see anyone go and start bombing Israel ?

 

[Tallshortman]

So you agree the kidnapping of those kids was seen as an opportunity for Netanyahu to move into Gaza again, good.

You know you can stop putting words in people's mouths in a smart ass manner, otherwise all you're inviting is further comments that lead to uncivil discussion.

 

[Bigfoot]

UN Panel: Israeli Settlements Are Illegal (Huffingtonpost, 2013)
THE HUMANITARIAN IMPACT OF ISRAELI SETTLEMENT POLICIES (UN, 2012)

Just two things I picked out quick. I am sure, you can find more with a swift google search.

If I understood him right, he was asking for links about settlements in Gaza, not the West Bank.

 

[Chariot]

Hell no.... and don't forgot how many Palestine die before this war? did u see anyone go and start bombing Israel ?

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying, This isn't spite, I honestly don't understand your sentence.

If I understood him right, he was asking for links about settlements in Gaza, not the West Bank.

Right, my bad.
I don't know about them and I am going to sleep soon (the misery of living in germany when the GAF life is in the states). But I stand corrected on the settlements in Gaza. Still, I am wary of Israel, pulling that out of my ass, but: if Israel is threatning Westbank, by replacing muslim people with jewish, Gaza could be next.

Both of those refer to the west bank, not Gaza. The second link even provided a map of the west bank....

Yeah, I didn't read your post properly enough, I am sorry, please read my answer to Porthos.

 

[BLunted]

UN Panel: Israeli Settlements Are Illegal (Huffingtonpost, 2013)
THE HUMANITARIAN IMPACT OF ISRAELI SETTLEMENT POLICIES (UN, 2012)

Just two things I picked out quick. I am sure, you can find more with a swift google search.

Both of those refer to the west bank, not Gaza. The second link even provided a map of the west bank....

 

[kobashi100]

Where on earth did I say that? Hamas STARTED firing rockets from GAZA into Israel. Israel's actions were merely reciprocal.

You do understand that Gaza and the West Bank are not the same place, right?

nice to see you forgot to mention that Israel went in and started destroying houses after the kidnapping took place.

 

[Lord Moriarty007]

nice to see you forgot to mention that Israel went in and started destroying houses after the kidnapping took place.

In the West Bank not in Gaza.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Where on earth did I say that? Hamas STARTED firing rockets from GAZA into Israel. Israel's actions were merely reciprocal.

You do understand that Gaza and the West Bank are not the same place, right?

Not true Hamas did not wake up a decide to start firing. Prior to that the IDF re-arrested 300+ people that were released as part of a prisoner swap and demolished homes ion these arrests. That is what sparked Hamas' response.

 

[Prine]

The settlements issue is a West Bank issue, and is a completely different nut. All the Jewish settlers were removed from Gaza back in 2005(or was it 2006) when the IDF pulled out of Gaza.

The current Gaza conflict is about HAMAS and it' rockets. Israel said that once the terror tunnels and rockets caches have been destroyed and that peace in the area has been restored, the conflict would be over.

Blatent and disgusting white washing of facts. Isreal are only interested in peace if it means complete control of gaza and complete consumption of Jerusalem. They don't recognise Palestine as a sovereign state and have made all efforts to block it. The ball has always been in their court but they continue to steal land, crushing Gaza population through an inhumane blockade, indiscriminately kill Palestinians and then are shocked that gazans are full of rage. Such bullshit rhetoric "we have the right to defend ourselves" to validate thier murder of civilians.

 

[Lord Moriarty007]

Not true Hamas did not wake up a decide to start firing. Prior to that the IDF re-arrested 300+ people that were released as part of a prisoner swap and demolished homes ion these arrests. That is what sparked Hamas' response.

Hamas have no control of the West Bank. There is where the house and arrest happened so why would Hamas retaliate for a place the don't govern?

 

[BubbaMc]

If Hamas stopped firing rockets, Israel would stop attacking, no?

Hamas needs to stop firing rockets, for good this time.

 

[LNBL]

Where on earth did I say that? Hamas STARTED firing rockets from GAZA into Israel. Israel's actions were merely reciprocal.

You do understand that Gaza and the West Bank are not the same place, right?

The current conflict is about retribution for those kidnapped teenagers in Israel, something that Hamas denied any involvement in. It would be too easy to just look at who started firing rockets at who, of course the party that started is disgusting and in the wrong. But this conflict did not suddenly pop up in a few days, in the wake of those kidnappings Palestinians got shot during house raids and many more were imprisoned during the manhunt of the Israeli army.

Israeli troops have shot dead a 19-year-old Palestinian in Jelazoun refugee camp near the West Bank city of Ramallah, Palestinian medical and security sources say. Ahmad Arafat was shot in the chest early on Monday during clashes with the Israeli army, the sources said.

The army was conducting arrests in the camp as part of its massive manhunt for three missing Israeli youths. The Israeli military could not immediately comment.
The Palestinian security sources could not immediately say whether the army had intended on arresting Arafat.

They noted he had been released from Israeli prison one week ago.
The army was detaining dozens of Palestinians throughout the West Bank as part of its attempts to find three youths Israel said were kidnapped by Hamas near Hebron on Thursday.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Israeli-army...7/articleID/348777/Default.aspx#ixzz383OkS85H

In Dura's Haninia neighbourhood, after a night-long raid, involving many clashes with local youths, to detain a person Israelis consider to be a terrorist, as troops were withdrawing, eyewitness testimonies reported that a retreating Israeli soldier fired 6 shots and killed[95] 15-year-old Mohammed Dudeen.[87][95][96][97] Twenty-five more Palestinians were arrested at Dura and Dheisheh, bringing the number of detainees to 320, of which 240 are considered Hamas operatives. The number of sites searched mounted to 1,150,[94] of which 1,000 buildings were damaged,[36] the figure including over 750 homes.[95] According to Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad al-Malki Israel had destroyed 150 homes by week's end.[98] In another dawn raid on the Dean's Office and Student Union of the Arab American University in Jenin papers were seized, and Amir Saadi, 17, was shot in the shoulder. The villages of Arraba,[99] Al-Louz, and Artas were also raided.[88]

Riyad al-Malki demanded Israel produce evidence that Hamas is culpable, stating that Netanyahu cannot 'keep blaming one side without showing evidence'. He said Israel's massive military sweeps were unacceptable, with 300 Palestinians taken in exchange for three Israeli kids,[87] but the Palestinian authority would act to prevent an uprising, for 'if the situation continues as it is, this will end up (with) the destruction of what we have built in Palestine'.[75][98]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_kidnapping_and_murder_of_Israeli_teenagers

The Westbank might not be Gaza, but that does not mean it's any less violent there. The number of killed Palestinians in the Westbank in 2013 was TRIPLE the amount of deaths that occured in 2012. People were shot for hurling stones and during random house searches.

 

[TheChocolateWar]

Hamas have no control of the West Bank. There is where the house and arrest happened so why would Hamas retaliate for a place the don't govern?

Because of how nationalism works and the fact that those in the West Bank self identify as Palestinians?

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Hamas have no control of the West Bank. There is where the house and arrest happened so why would Hamas retaliate for a place the don't govern?

Did I say they did?

Hamas was the one holding Shalit, they agreed to the prisoner release. Isreal went back on the deal, which prompted Hamas' response.

 

[Prine]

If Hamas stopped firing rockets, Israel would stop attacking, no?

Hamas needs to stop firing rockets, for good this time.

Amazing. Yes , Hamas fire rockets for shits AMD giggles. Isreal have been pulverising Gaza indiscriminately long before the rockets were fired by hamas. Besides , this about the 3 murdered teenagers

 

[Syriel]

Just for reference:

The first image is misleading in that it highlights private land ownership by Palestinian Jews, but assigns all other land (including land that was not privately owned) to Palestinian Arabs. An accurate map would show privately owned land by both groups, with the remainder being mandate land.

The third image shows the West Bank as an independent entity, even though during that time it was part of Jordan, with all residents having Jordanian citizenship and representation in government.

 

[RustyNails]

Did I say they did?

Hamas was the one holding Shalit, they agreed to the prisoner release. Isreal went back on the deal, which prompted Hamas' response.

Yup, this is what actually escalated the conflict. The media's narrative of the story is "Hamas killed 3 teenagers, and then started shooting rockets into Israel which prompted the current IDF military operation in Gaza. No country can tolerate such terrorism!"

 

[Lord Moriarty007]

Because of how nationalism works and the fact that those in the West Bank self identify as Palestinians?

I'm just stating the facts.

 

[kobashi100]

If Hamas stopped firing rockets, Israel would stop attacking, no?

Hamas needs to stop firing rockets, for good this time.

If Israel stop destroying peoples homes, abducting children prisoners and killing civilians maybe Hamas will stop firing rockets.

 

[TheContact]

If Hamas stopped firing rockets, Israel would stop attacking, no?

Hamas needs to stop firing rockets, for good this time.

If Israel stop destroying peoples homes, abducting children prisoners and killing civilians maybe Hamas will stop firing rockets.

And it goes round and round and round...

 

[RageBot]

Yes, but it is still walled in on top of being so densely populated and the people have nowhere to go. And of course there have been far greater 'genocides', but that does not justify what is taking place and how grossly disproportionate it is. Innocent people are walled in under siege and are being bombed to hell and back as they lose more and more land. That is just the facts.

First - there are no settlements in the Gaza strip:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza
Second -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada
As long as Israel exists, and there's a violent anti Israeli sentiment among the Palestinians, we can't just let the siege off.

Furthermore, as long as there are rockets being shot at us from Gaza, I don't think that anyone can convince most of the Israelies that we have a peace partner, and that we should relinquish the conquered territories (which I remind you, Israel is a democracy, if you can't convince the average joe that we have a peace partner, nothing will happen).

Also, as you've seen, the population density in Gaza isn't actually that high, if Hamas wanted, they could've had safe areas in which the innocent population could take shelter in, but as long as Hamas has control over the Gaza strip, they can force the population to go into places they know are going to get bombed, and as long as they keep their rockets in civilian infrastracture buildings:
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/unrwa-investigates-after/1269508.html
We will be forced to bomb schools, hospitals and so on.
(I've read reports that UNRWA returned the rockets to Hamas, but all of the sources were Israeli).

The reason that it's grossly disproportionate, is because Israel is just way more powerful, and there's no reason for us to risk our soldiers' lives just to make sure that no innocents die when we try to kill Hamas figureheads and launching sites, we notify the civilian population way ahead of time, Hamas won't let them run, or urge them to stay.
Unless you can suggest a different way for us to attack such sites, with similar or lower risk to Israeli soldiers, as well as higher safety for the Palestinians themselves?

 

[LNBL]

First - there are no settlements in the Gaza strip:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza
Second -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada
As long as Israel exists, and there's a violent anti Israeli sentiment among the Palestinians, we can't just let the siege off.

Furthermore, as long as there are rockets being shot at us from Gaza, I don't think that anyone can convince most of the Israelies that we have a peace partner, and that we should relinquish the conquered territories (which I remind you, Israel is a democracy, if you can't convince the average joe that we have a peace partner, nothing will happen).

Also, as you've seen, the population density in Gaza isn't actually that high, if Hamas wanted, they could've had safe areas in which the innocent population could take shelter in, but as long as Hamas has control over the Gaza strip, they can force the population to go into places they know are going to get bombed, and as long as they keep their rockets in civilian infrastracture buildings:
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/unrwa-investigates-after/1269508.html
We will be forced to bomb schools, hospitals and so on.
(I've read reports that UNRWA returned the rockets to Hamas, but all of the sources were Israeli).

The reason that it's grossly disproportionate, is because Israel is just way more powerful, and there's no reason for us to risk our soldiers' lives just to make sure that no innocents die when we try to kill Hamas figureheads and launching sites, we notify the civilian population way ahead of time, Hamas won't let them run, or urge them to stay.
Unless you can suggest a different way for us to attack such sites, with similar or lower risk to Israeli soldiers, as well as higher safety for the Palestinians themselves?

You say there is no reason to risk soldiers and innocents die in the same sentence, yet you don't see the problem.

Where should the palestinians run to? Most families live on less than $1.5 a day, their houses are the only thing they have (if they have a house).
Targeting terrorists does not give Israel a free pass to destroy houses of innocent civilians, neither does that friendly warning that the IDF delivers.

 

[knicks]

If Israel stop destroying peoples homes, abducting children prisoners and killing civilians maybe Hamas will stop firing rockets.

Do you really think Hamas gives a shit about any of these people?

 

[kobashi100]

Hamas have no control of the West Bank. There is where the house and arrest happened so why would Hamas retaliate for a place the don't govern?

you do know Hamas military and political wing represent all Palestinians right.

Unlike Abbas who doesnt seem to give a damn what happens in Gaza. Damn even when Israel walk into the west bank and commit atrocities, Abbas sits there and does nothing.

You know, he had his little militia fire tear gas at protesters in Ramallah today.

 

[RageBot]

Just for reference:

http://imgur.com/QpQICZ5

You seem to have forgotten about this little detail

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War#Conclusion_of_conflict_and_post-war_situation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt–Israel_Peace_Treaty

The state of Israel had given up on territory, in exchange for peace.

You say there is no reason to risk soldiers and innocents die in the same sentence, yet you don't see the problem.

Where should the palestinians run to? Most families live on less than $1.5 a day, their houses are the only thing they have (if they have a house).
Targeting terrorists does not give Israel a free pass to destroy houses of innocent civilians, neither does that friendly warning that the IDF delivers.

First, i'm not saying the should go anywhere, since i've already proved last page the the Gaza strip, and even Gaza itself, isn't actually a dense city.
They also live on more than 1.5$ a day:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Palestinian_territories
(Still a relatively low income, i'll admit to that).
And as I said before, if Hamas stops sending rockets to Israel, they won't have to run anywhere anymore, and maybe we won't need to have a blockade.

Now, I can't promise that there won't be any more expansion of the settlements in the west bank, even if all hostility stops, but it will be much easier to convince the average Israeli of doing that (and even evacuating the settlements), if we'll see that it won't be abused for further aggression towards our civilian population.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Do you really think Hamas gives a shit about any of these people?

Whether or not you believe Hamas gives a shit about those people is completely irrelevant, it doesn't change Israel's criminal and genocidal actions.

 

[~Kinggi~]

Do you really think Hamas gives a shit about any of these people?

Do you think Israel gives a shit?

In my mind both these asshats deserve annihilation. Give them the region, let them kill each other. Beforehand escort all the civilians out of there and divert that Israeli wealth to giving them new, peaceful homes.

Embarrassing news day today as well. Constant 'breaking' news on the poor, dead Israeli soldiers and almost no mention of the town they just blew up. And then periodic breaks with the Israeli prime minister to let everyone know this needs to be done cause of bad people and shit.

 

[Hyperactivity]

Hey, I am not saying I am on board with the settlements. That is a completely different issue, and I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that all settlers were removed from Gaza back in '05 or "06. If i am wrong, please provide a link

Doesn't mean Gaza, under UN definition, isn't under occupation, or that things like a blockade aren't recognized internationally as acts of war (although not necessarily illegal)

 

[LNBL]

Do you think Israel gives a shit?

In my mind both these asshats deserve annihilation. Give them the region, let them kill each other. Beforehand escort all the civilians out of there and divert that Israeli wealth to giving them new, peaceful homes.

Embarrassing news day today as well. Constant 'breaking' news on the poor, dead Israeli soldiers and almost no mention of the town they just blew up. And then periodic breaks with the Israeli prime minister to let everyone know this needs to be done cause of bad people and shit.

People seem to automatically think that standing up for the innocent civilians of Gaza also means you support Hamas.

 

[Lord Moriarty007]

you do know Hamas military and political wing represent all Palestinians right.

Unlike Abbas who doesnt seem to give a damn what happens in Gaza. Damn even when Israel walk into the west bank and commit atrocities, Abbas sits there and does nothing.

You know, he had his little militia fire tear gas at protesters in Ramallah today.

So Hamas starts to shoot missiles into Israel instead a better idea? Which started this pissing contest. If hamas gives a living crap about its people in the Gaza they would stop fire missiles into Israel to start a snowball effect that makes Israel have to come in by ground attack. Both sides are at faults for this overkill of civilians.

 

[knicks]

Do you think Israel gives a shit?

In my mind both these asshats deserve annihilation. Give them the region, let them kill each other. Beforehand escort all the civilians out of there and divert that Israeli wealth to giving them new, peaceful homes.

Embarrassing news day today as well. Constant 'breaking' news on the poor, dead Israeli soldiers and almost no mention of the town they just blew up. And then periodic breaks with the Israeli prime minister to let everyone know this needs to be done cause of bad people and shit.

I'm not exactly sure what is going through Israels mind. But, if they literally gave no shits, they would give them no warnings, and afterwards take a nuke and blow the whole place up. So I do think they give some shits.

I think an unpopular discussion in this thread is how Hamas is doing everything in their power to take down Israel. I don't think Israel is doing everything in their power to attack and destroy Gaza. It's really shitty, unfortunate and fucked up that Gaza civilians are dying, but at least the mindset in the Israel military isn't the same of the Hamas. If it were Gaza would be really really fucked.

Edit: Just saw a link that Israel bombed a hospital that they knew wasn't a threat. That's fucked up.

 

[ironcreed]

First - there are no settlements in the Gaza strip:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza
Second -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada
As long as Israel exists, and there's a violent anti Israeli sentiment among the Palestinians, we can't just let the siege off.

No, the Gaza strip is just the strip where they have been walled in with nowhere else to go but the sea. Israel has taken more than enough land everywhere else in the surrounding areas and to argue against that is laughable.

Furthermore, as long as there are rockets being shot at us from Gaza, I don't think that anyone can convince most of the Israelies that we have a peace partner, and that we should relinquish the conquered territories (which I remind you, Israel is a democracy, if you can't convince the average joe that we have a peace partner, nothing will happen).

Also, as you've seen, the population density in Gaza isn't actually that high, if Hamas wanted, they could've had safe areas in which the innocent population could take shelter in, but as long as Hamas has control over the Gaza strip, they can force the population to go into places they know are going to get bombed, and as long as they keep their rockets in civilian infrastracture buildings:
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/unrwa-investigates-after/1269508.html
We will be forced to bomb schools, hospitals and so on.
(I've read reports that UNRWA returned the rockets to Hamas, but all of the sources were Israeli).

The reason that it's grossly disproportionate, is because Israel is just way more powerful, and there's no reason for us to risk our soldiers' lives just to make sure that no innocents die when we try to kill Hamas figureheads and launching sites, we notify the civilian population way ahead of time, Hamas won't let them run, or urge them to stay.
Unless you can suggest a different way for us to attack such sites, with similar or lower risk to Israeli soldiers, as well as higher safety for the Palestinians themselves?

Sorry, I don't buy the "it's the fault of HAMAS for the innocents getting bombed" line. No, it is not the most densely populated area on Earth, but it is surely ONE of them, as is well known. And once again, they are walled in like rats with nowhere to run and to argue that they are wrong for being pissed about being forced to live under such conditions is a joke. Furthermore, so is trying to shrug off the grossly disproportionate force being applied as nothing more than, "whoops, we are just stronger."

 

[BLunted]

nice to see you forgot to mention that Israel went in and started destroying houses after the kidnapping took place.

In the West Bank(Not Gaza) they blew up two homes of the suspected Hamas members suspected in playing a role in the kidnappings. The homes were empty, nobody was killed. It was a controlled demolition.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

So Hamas starts to shoot missiles into Israel instead a better idea? Which started this pissing contest. If hamas gives a living crap about its people in the Gaza they would stop fire missiles into Israel to start a snowball effect that makes Israel have to come in by ground attack.

And what has capitulation done for the West Bank? Military checkpoints, demolition of property, mass arrests and a degradation of human rights.

Hamas stays in power by fighting the oppressors. That is why they are a symptom, not problem itself.

 

[RageBot]

Do you think Israel gives a shit?.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=714665

More than Hamas, obviously.

Unless you think that storing explosives in hospitals amount to "giving a shit".

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Speaking on ABC’s This Week, Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime Minister, blamed Hamas for the deaths of all civilians killed during the current conflict, saying that the group was responsible for a “double war crime”.

He said: “Hamas is both targeting civilians, and Hamas is both hiding behind civilians. That’s a double war crime.

“We regret any civilian deaths, but those lay entirely at Hamas’ door. Hamas is deliberately targeting our civilians. They’ve fired 2000 rockets as Israel’s cities, 75 per cent of our population has to be in bomb shelters.

“All civilian deaths – as regrettable as they are – fall on their shoulders.”

How can anyone other than a sociopath utter those words? Placing 100% of the blame of every single civilian that have been killed by Israeli weapons on another party? Not a fucking shred of remorse, accountability, or owning the damage. Those kids on the beach targeting multiple times? Hamas' fault, even though there isn't a shred of evidence Hamas was in the area. Bombing hospitals, UNRWA centers, etc? All Hamas.

What a fucked up, despicable psychopath Netanyahu is. There isn't any evidence of any of these people being killed as a result of Hamas using them as "Human shields". The video that has been spammed around as evidence of this has been proven to be a hoax, not taken in Gaza. Yet, Netanyahu and Israel are completely comfortable utterly skirting responsibility for every single death by their hands. You're bombing densely populated civilian areas, and have slaughtered hundreds of women and children- take some responsibility for that, you lying fuckwits.

 

[Lord Moriarty007]

And what has capitulation done for the West Bank? Military checkpoints, demolition of property, mass arrests and a degradation pod human rights.

Hamas stays in power by fighting the oppressors. That is why they are a symptom, not problem itself.

I can agree with you there. I'm not taking sides. Both sides are in the wrong. Which doesn't make it a right.

 

[LNBL]

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=714665

More than Hamas, obviously.

Unless you think that storing explosives in hospitals amount to "giving a shit".

Israeli military destroyed el-Wafa hospital even though it knew there were no weapons inside

The IDF News Desk also confirmed that the military understood there were no weapons inside of el-Wafa hospital. When asked how far a humanitarian site needs to be to ensure there is not direct fire, the IDF said, “It’s not a matter of science, the IDF is very precise and they usually target what they intend to target.”

While under fire from the Israeli military on Thursday, hospital director Basman Alashi communicated with the army via a delegate from the International Committee for the Red Cross (ICRC). The military said that they were not only going to shell the facility, but that it would be fired upon so heavily that they recommended all people in the hospital evacuate. The ICRC attempted to coordinate the evacuation, relaying messages from the IDF in two phone calls made to el-Wafa’s hospital director during the shelling.

According to International Humanitarian Law (IHL) hospitals are protected sites. Article 19 of the Fourth Geneva Convention also states: “The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit…acts harmful to the enemy.” The Geneva Convention also requires “a reasonable time limit,” for allowing an evacuation. If a hospital is used to launch weapons, under IHL it can only be targeted when there is an imminent strike originating from the location. Even storing caches of weapons do not meet international law’s stringent threshold for firing on humanitarian sites.

Furthermore, on July 11, 2014 the army fired five missiles at el-Wafa, taking out part of the hospital’s fourth floor. The first blast was a smaller “warning strike,” followed by four significantly larger blasts. In that instance the IDF phoned Alashi directly the night before and told him the hospital was going to be hit with artillery shelling. A team of eight internationals then moved into the facility in hopes of protecting it from Israeli fire. The also IDF confirmed that they struck the hospital that night.

 

[SniperHunter]

looks like Hamas has captured an Israeli soldier
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/20/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

[GaimeGuy]

Whether or not you believe Hamas gives a shit about those people is completely irrelevant, it doesn't change Israel's criminal and genocidal actions.

This is the most poorly executed genocide ever if that's the case.


Just because the Jewish people were victims of the most well known genocide in modern times doesn't mean you get to throw the word genocide around for any Israeli aggression. Not to belittle the plight of the Palestinians but it is not a genocide in any way shape or form. Calling it that just hardens hearts on every side

 

[RustyNails]

Do you really think Hamas gives a shit about any of these people?

Do you even know the amount of stuff that is banned in Gaza due to the blockade? Here's some:

According to Amnesty International, the Economist, Haaretz and UN reports, prior to June 2010, the following was banned or restricted:

Food. According to a UN report, importation of lentils, pasta, tomato paste and juice has been restricted.[15] Pasta has since been allowed. Sugar has always been allowed.[14] Soda, juice, jam, spices, shaving cream, potato chips, cookies and candy are now permitted.[16] Fruit, milk products in small packages and frozen food products are also allowed.[14] Dry food,[17] ginger and chocolate were at one point barred.[18]

Household items. A4 paper,[18] crayons, stationary, soccer balls, and musical instruments have been, at times, banned for import.[17] According to AFP other banned goods include toilet paper,[4] though the BBC lists it as permitted.[3] According to the Haaretz the following items were banned in 2009: books, candles, crayons, clothing, cups, cutlery, crockery, electric appliances such as refrigerators and washing machines, glasses, light bulbs, matches, musical instruments, needles, sheets, blankets, shoes, mattresses, spare machine and car parts, and threads.[14]

Medical material. Batteries for hearing aids have been restricted.[15] Wheelchairs, at various times, have been banned.[17]

According to the Haaretz, the number of items allowed into Gaza, as of May 2010, is about 100. Before the blockade, some 4,000 items were allowed.

Hamas runs schools, hospitals, brings in smuggled medical supplies and food from the tunnels. It provides various social services. It has massive support in Gaza for these activities. Why do you think they're popular.

 

[zeroOman]

can someone tell if this is true

@tm20me @mfrager @AniZone ok it was British land not their they can do whatever they want with it
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https://twitter.com/Radoswaw/status/491008666523664385

 

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Israeli military destroyed el-Wafa hospital even though it knew there were no weapons inside

Why do you keep posting articles from a site run by a self-proclaimed anti-Zionist, a site that has been accused numerous times of being anti-Semitic?

Do you even know the amount of stuff that is banned in Gaza due to the blockade? Here's some:
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Hamas runs schools, hospitals, brings in smuggled medical supplies and food from the tunnels. It provides various social services. It has massive support in Gaza for these activities. Why do you think they're popular.

They certainly do run the schools! They also name their schools after terrorists.

 

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Did I say they did?

Hamas was the one holding Shalit, they agreed to the prisoner release. Isreal went back on the deal, which prompted Hamas' response.

Israel didnt "go back" on the deal. They arrested those that may have been involved in the kidnappings, and all likelihood will be released once investigations are completed. If they went back on the deal, they would have re-arrested the entire 1000 that were freed.