Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 10: Against the Odds, We Choose to Hype!
- Thread starter IntelliHeath
- Start date
- Status
OricWindstar
Member
I mean, I hate complaining as the games look amazing, but it's definitely a let down. Even though it was unlikely, I would've loved a Battle Network stage.
Haha, you've decoded the true message!
I really hope the Pac-Man stage makes it over, as the Pac-Land stage looks atrocious. I'm hoping for a 3DS Stage DLC pack down the line, but I'm not sure if he'd do that as to keep the game more unique from each other.
ryanofcall
Member
That'd be awesome, but there's small differences so I guess not.
Does he though?
ryanofcall
Member
Spirit Tracks?
Amazeballs
Member
M2K calls out Project:M
Context
Not that M2K had to do anything with it, but I personally haven't put much effort into P:M because I was leery of the the balance work that would be done by an amateur dev team and the fact that I run the risk of having that effort negated with character patches. The purported issues with recoveries and cheesing confirm that suspicion. Here's hoping the devs find a good balance down the line. I do like the concept but it seems it's being held back by bravado.
Context
Not that M2K had to do anything with it, but I personally haven't put much effort into P:M because I was leery of the the balance work that would be done by an amateur dev team and the fact that I run the risk of having that effort negated with character patches. The purported issues with recoveries and cheesing confirm that suspicion. Here's hoping the devs find a good balance down the line. I do like the concept but it seems it's being held back by bravado.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Fuck you too, Sakurai.
El Sabroso
Member
OricWindstar
Member
I'm playing while waiting for Smash 4, as it's sort of like having a new Smash to play, but the second Smash 3DS comes out I'm almost assuredly gone for good.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Good thing I never touched P:M.
Project M's fairly balanced in that a lot more of the cast is fun to play. However, this is largely done by making characters better at recovery.
That said, it's a bit unfair of him to call out all devs on Project M who don't play Melee. That's calling out a lot of artists and animators who don't necessarily work on game balancing.
I do, however, agree that there is some gimmicky shit in Project M. Ganondorf's side b, for example, made my Melee main feel much more gimmicky.
you'll come back for a bit when they add new characters.
I do worry about insider dev drama. That shit can rip a mod apart.
I really, really hope we can turn off boss encounters.
Wily's Castle has a decent layout and the Yellow Devil has too much of a spawn rate, obstructing everything. He's also fucking annoying going by videos.
The thought of Ridley ruining Pyrosphere makes me angry. That was the only reason that tease left me annoyed.
Wily's Castle has a decent layout and the Yellow Devil has too much of a spawn rate, obstructing everything. He's also fucking annoying going by videos.
The thought of Ridley ruining Pyrosphere makes me angry. That was the only reason that tease left me annoyed.
Zevenberge
Member
I've only played PM for one afternoon, but it was fun. It had some new mechanics, new alts and other characters. I didn't really have the time to dig deep and explore the balance.
Amazeballs
Member
I'm sure you'll enjoy it if you take the mod at face value, and despite the issues there will most definitely be a solid meta eventually. I just thought it was interesting point of discussion.
Poor wording of the argument on my part. I never intended to say "these characters are deconfirmed, #TRUTHFACT" even though re-reading the post it certainly sounds like that.
I specifically called out K. Rool and Takamaru because they're popular character choices here in this thread, yet I don't believe they have a chance at making it into the roster. (No idea about DLC though) For K. Rool I specifically brought up Dixie Kong. The popular argument since the release of TF is that Dixie is a much more relevant character than K. Rool, leading to those that think this gives her an edge.
As far as Takamaru, I think if you contrast his situation with that of Little Mac's it becomes more apparent why I have so little confidence in him. Plus there is already Greninja who is a newcomer who fits a similar fighting style.
M2K is right about the gimmicks. Melee characters made it almost undamaged, but oooh boy did the ProjectM team butcher the Brawl characters. They don't feel like their Brawl counterparts balanced to Melee physics at all, instead they just tossed out moves and replaced them willy-nilly or even replaced the entire mechanics the character was based on before. Horrible, just horrible. Those guys should stop butchering SmashBros and make their own game with their own characters instead.
You mean like every other Smash game was mostly made up of recently important characters? No, that's not a predication anyone was going to go against.
But predicting there will be no characters like Ice Climbers or Pit "because we haven't seen them yet" is pretty silly.
OricWindstar
Member
Maybe for a second, but Smash U's graphics alone are going to make it hard to come back to any of the older Smash games.
P:M is really fun. Like, I'm not actually too clear on the meta-game or most of the balance aside from what I've understood from tournaments, but it's... really fun.
I'm fine with stage hazards, I am not cool with stage obstructions. If an element of a stage is actively disrupting and interfering with my ability to focus on my actual opponents than I consider that an element not worth dealing with.
Toggling bosses would be fantastic.
+1
I'm fine with stage hazards, I am not cool with stage obstructions. If an element of a stage is actively disrupting and interfering with my ability to focus on my actual opponents than I consider that an element not worth dealing with.
Toggling bosses would be fantastic.
JediLink
Member
The hell is this all about? Did I miss a separate comment where M2K also says that playing P:M gives you cancer? P:M is imperfect and definitely has room for improvement, but it's still twenty times better balanced than Brawl ever was.
To be honest, a lot of the Brawl characters were already too gimmicky. Wario comes to mind; they butchered his Brawl character, but his Brawl character felt like a mess in the first place with the bike. One character (Pokemon Trainer) was outright ruined by his gimmick to the point he was one of the least popular characters in both casual and tournament play.
Cheers. I do think that its instantly noticeable for a lot of people. My brother, who only plays games when other people invite him to (but has played plenty of Smash) had no idea what I was talking about. I then put both games on back to back and he totally saw it then.
At the same time, he claimed he saw no differences but he was never as enthusiastic about playing Brawl as he was Melee. No one I knew was. And these are guys who get just as pumped for a game of Fifa after 25 damn years of the thing, so its not just age.
Really hoping the new one is good. I'm torn between thinking it looks excellent and being underwhelmed by the sameness of so much of it.
I have to agree, Brawl really felt like it was the first in the series that had gimmick moves compared to the first two in an attempt to diversify the cast. Fludd's the dumbest move in the series, and it pains me to say that because it represents my favorite game of all time.
Oh thanks! Too bad it's not possible ala Monster Hunter.
Troubled Bat
Member
Project M is my prefered game to go to, I played a tournament with some friend like a month ago in Melee.. And I just cannot go back. PM is just too good, and it's a lot of fun. Plus I love being able to customize my controls.
But that shoulder tackle though.
Zevenberge
Member
Basically what M2K says is that you need to be good at Melee or you suck. You can't like your own game, because it is not his game, so you suck.
That is all I've read and the intellect radiating from M2K didn't really encourage me to read on. I don't find it weird if this "criticism" is not taken seriously by both the community and the developers. (Although I do hope this rage is not representative of the person and that he actually gives constructive feedback once in a while.)
That's a good point.
I don't think they should have gotten rid of it. I think they should have made it more fun to use as a bike and less efficient as a pile of parts to throw at your opponent.
The shoulder tackle should have replaced the bite, which should have become his forward smash to replace the shoulder tackle.
Beren the Empty-Handed
Member
Yeah, everyone I know seems to be pretty cool towards Brawl, whereas they'll still get excited by Melee. Even if they can't explain why they feel that way, I think they can still make a preference. But it produces noticeably different reactions in everyone I've seen.
Me too. And so's my friend. He doesn't have a Wii U (or any current gen home console), but has a 3DS and knows he'll be playing it constantly. I'm just hoping that it's as fresh and amazing as Melee was when it first came out, or at least almost that great. I need to curb my expectations; Smash makes me hyped.
SenorArdilla
Member
I don't get the hate that some Smash fans have over the WarioWare influence.
Amazeballs
Member
He's a mathematical genius, a savant tobe more specific. I'm not too sure think he has high functioning aspergers. His interpersonal skills could use work but he definitely does know his stuff when it comes to the games' mechanics because he's able to reduce them down to math. It's quite fascinating.
Speaking of which he's not saying "you need to be good at melee or you suck" although it does sound like it. He's saying that melee requires highly developed funamental skills while in P:M you can be good using cheesey tactics and matchup unfamiliarity. I don't watch P:M but from what I hear Mew2King can beat pretty everyone except for a few players, so he does have skill to back his criticisms. Armada, a fellow high level player, seems to agree with his opinions as well.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
"It's not what I grew up with, therefor it sucks." See also Lucario/Greninja hate from Geewunners, and Pokemon hate as a whole from the NES/SNES generation.
Troubled Bat
Member
How so, Wario Land came first. ;3
Amazeballs
Member
Wario Ware? Isn't that just a collection of cheap mobile games?
*runs*
heyinternet.jpg
Oh no you didn't!
ryanofcall
Member
I hope there will be a 'Nintendo Direct' Stage with Iwata Stage Hazard.
Troubled Bat
Member
*understanding intensifies*
- Status