Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 10: Against the Odds, We Choose to Hype!
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kuroneko0509
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Not for Zelda
i'm not too sure about Sheik, need more screens of her
Yep. I don't know why some people said it's the best Zelda design, when TP Zelda is far superior
although I do respect their opinion
MyFinestHour
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That wasn't singling you out, it's just a pattern on traditionally anti-DK places like NeoGAF to bitch about elements of Rare's DKC games all the way up until they're "legitimized" by something like Smash or a Retro DKC.
You can see it by going back on the Returns message boards, looking at all of the hate Rare got for having "awful, ugly Kongs" and "horrible water levels," then seeing the sudden absence of such complaints when Retro brings back both in Tropical Freeze. (Granted, then, it became the fad to bitch about Tropical Freeze merely existing instead of Muh Metroid, but still). Or even on the Brawl boards, Diddy was a "stupid, pretentious monkey who replaced DK Jr." all the way up until Sakurai revealed him, then it was nothing but endless adoration.
FWIW, before Rosalina happened, I thought a fully aggro/tomboy Daisy that acted as the Luigi to dainty/classy Peach's Mario on the princess side of things would have been funny, especially if they went full hog and made her wear her Strikers/Golf/Kart Biker gear and made a move set reflective of things you could do in spinoffs like Mario Party, Golf, Tennis, Kart & Strikers.
Now though, I'm imagining that you have to be an immense breakout success of a new character in the Mario franchise and have the most insane game play angle to get the distinction of being the sixth main Mario character.
Now though, I'm imagining that you have to be an immense breakout success of a new character in the Mario franchise and have the most insane game play angle to get the distinction of being the sixth main Mario character.
That game is seven years old.
That game is six years old.
The last time any Kremling at all has even appeared was in Mario Super Sluggers. There has since been several Mario spinoff titles they could have been included in, and they have all been excluded. The entire race has been excluded from the DK franchise revival outside of what, a single easter egg?
At this point they are definitely a relic of the past and no longer a series staple.
Baron von Loathsome
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Wrong. The last game the Kremlings will have been in is Super Smash Bros. for 3DS (as Smash Run enemies).
While I think he's a little shit, Bowser Jr. has really earned a shot at Smash-dom. He was a recurring antagonist in Sunshine, Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2, as well as like the entire NSMB series. He could be a scrappy lil' ball of muscle, spitting fireballs and firing bullet bills and maybe even dispatching Mecha-Koopas. They could give him his miniature Koopa Clown Car, and he could call up Mega Hammer (from Galaxy 2) as a Final Smash, or even that Bowser mech from Sunshine. I dunno, certainly seems like he has potential.
As someone who honestly is a bit of a Rare hater (Donkey Kong 64 ruined my childhood), I think K Rool would look fine with a tail.
Like seriously, give him a fucking tail.
Dixie should get in before any other Donkey Kong character though.
Like seriously, give him a fucking tail.
Dixie should get in before any other Donkey Kong character though.
Again, Retro likes making new stuff for a franchise and that's why they haven't reused the Kremlings. They didn't reuse Mother Brain either, but that doesn't mean there was some vendetta against Mother Brain. Nintendo has no issue with including Kremlings in Smash Bros, so why would they have an issue including them in Donkey Kong?
User 73706
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If you dinguses need examples of other character designs I don't like:
-Diddy Kong
-Zero Suit Samus
-Charizard is K. Rool levels of generic
-Lucario
-I love Greninja to death, but think he's a little overdesigned, mostly lending itself to how detailed new pkmns are getting
K. Rool just feels way too dime-store Bowser to really end up unique.
-Diddy Kong
-Zero Suit Samus
-Charizard is K. Rool levels of generic
-Lucario
-I love Greninja to death, but think he's a little overdesigned, mostly lending itself to how detailed new pkmns are getting
K. Rool just feels way too dime-store Bowser to really end up unique.
The Bankslammer
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if nintendo just hated k.rool and kremlings and rare and just wanted to do away with them, why would they replace the tiki tak tribe in tropical freeze? they had already served their purpose of replacing kremlings.
it seems pretty obvious to me that nintendo (or retro, can't say whose decision it was) just doesn't want a primary antagonist for the dk series anymore, and would rather it take the villain-of-the-week approach, with each game having a new enemy.
it seems pretty obvious to me that nintendo (or retro, can't say whose decision it was) just doesn't want a primary antagonist for the dk series anymore, and would rather it take the villain-of-the-week approach, with each game having a new enemy.
MrSaturn99
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I feel that K.Rool's time passed with Brawl, unfortunately. Unless they reinstate him as the antagonist, he won't make it.
A boss or assist trophy or something would be cool, though (I'd say he'd be a decent choice for the latter considering we haven't had a single DK assist trophy yet).
A boss or assist trophy or something would be cool, though (I'd say he'd be a decent choice for the latter considering we haven't had a single DK assist trophy yet).
I'm kinda surprised for all the K. Rool hate in here as well. He might not be the best developed character but I think as a villian to rep the DK series he definitely has paid his dues appearances-wise to earn a spot.
Honestly, just being outside of him being a villian, I think it would be refreshing to have him, instead of someone like Dixie. It would be totally out of left field, and give Sakurai the opportunity to make him popular and flesh him out through his moveset.
Not saying Dixie doesn't deserve a shot, but I'd rather go for something different from a franchise instead of overindulging in main protagonist characters so much. Fire Emblem and to a lesser extent the Mario series representation has slightly overdone this.
Honestly, just being outside of him being a villian, I think it would be refreshing to have him, instead of someone like Dixie. It would be totally out of left field, and give Sakurai the opportunity to make him popular and flesh him out through his moveset.
Not saying Dixie doesn't deserve a shot, but I'd rather go for something different from a franchise instead of overindulging in main protagonist characters so much. Fire Emblem and to a lesser extent the Mario series representation has slightly overdone this.
Your Pokemon opinions are wrong.
He did get a tail in DK64, wonder why it didn't stay with the character though.
Wrong. The last game the Kremlings will have been in is Super Smash Bros. for 3DS (as Smash Run enemies).
Touche. I forgot about that, and I was surprised when I first saw them honestly. Granted, there are plenty of obscure enemies included in Smash Run. Rather than being a given, I think they certainly fall into the obscure category at this point, and I still think K. Rool has zero chance of appearing in this game as anything other than a trophy.
But you can't consider the Tiki's or the Snowmads a series staple either just because they've been in one recent game each all because Retro didn't want to be too similar to the Rare games.
K. Rool and the Kremlings will always be the main/iconic DK antagonists until such a time where there's actually a consistent villain in the DK series to replace them, which most likely isn't going to happen.
kuroneko0509
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Greninja is a little overdesigned? How?
Please don't tell me of its scarf-tounge
Also one of the last DK spinoffs, also he appeared in Barrel Blast which is a more recent spinoff.
Point is, when they needed a general badguy for DK in these games they still turned to K Rool and the Kremlings. It's only the Retro games that decided to do something different, and seeing as Rare also basically refreshed their cast every game it wasn't a bad decision.
I honestly doubt there is some anti Rare conspiracy within Nintendo as some of your are proposing.
Kor of Memory
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What are you guys talking about with this tail business? Were your CRTs so small you couldn't see it or something?
Bowser Jr. hasn't been up to much lately aside from boss appearances in NSMB games. I think he's been kind of pushed to the wayside since the revival of the Koopalings along with EAD Tokyo's use of Boom Boom and Pom Pom.
Spinosaurus
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I'd like this actually. Love that DKC is now defined by DK himself more than anyone. Always thought the spotlight was stolen from him in the SNES trilogy. (Even in DKC1, Diddy is way better to use) I think a villain of the week approach can help keep the series centered around DK.
Seriously, for all the things DKC2 did right, I'm still bitter that DK wasn't playable. Boo!
The Tiki Taks weren't very popular, and I feel Retro messed up by not making most of them in the style of the musical instrument Tiki Taks (which were awesome and shouldn't have died for that stupid Wham Bam Rock clone).
So Retro went back to the drawing board and we got a more well-designed foe.
What the fuckWhat are you guys talking about with this tail business? Were your CRTs so small you couldn't see it or something?
where did it go
why does it seem to disappear sometimes and show up other times
I am so confused
The thing is, I actually do like most of the Kremlings. Kritters in particular are a really solid mook design, even when re-jiggered into their current form:
But K. Rool hasn't adapted nearly as well. It's tough to modernize him, because the most egregious design flaws are the ones that define him.
But K. Rool hasn't adapted nearly as well. It's tough to modernize him, because the most egregious design flaws are the ones that define him.
MrSaturn99
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lmao wtf?
User 73706
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I've been here since the beginning. Come at me, bro. Most Gen 1 mons suck. If you revealed anything remotely resembling a Gen 1 mon in a future title it'd be salted to death. "It's a Pokeball? ooh so original nintendo. Does it evolve into a master ball? It's just another Pokeball? WHAT?" "Ponyta just gets bigger, it's not even an evolution!" "Oh great, tack more heads / magnets / moles on, that's innovative."
There was a lot of filler, looking back. There are a few gems like Magikarp > Gyarados, Scyther, Mewtwo, etc.
No, no, of course not. Ninjas can always rock scarves. I just mean minor things like the color / detail distribution like its weird crotch-curl thing, its "weapon holsters" on its hips when moving its leg-bubbles up would have done just as well and avoided adding another color to the design, etc. That being said, the tan-blue distribution of color on its ears is a neat way of making its design "functionally asymmetrical," considering the ears look like they're different colors from just about every angle but the front.
Holy shit, the game is at 60 on amazon.de. Not even stocked by amozon themselves. What the fuck...
He's just making stuff up to bolster his case.
DK Jr.'s last game was the original Mario Kart. I doubt there was many fans for one reason or another wanting DK Jr. over Diddy.
Baron von Loathsome
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I've never seen this opinion anywhere, ever.
User 73706
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Yeah, isn't Aquatic Ambience one of the most universally-praised Donkey Kong tracks ever?
MyFinestHour
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A reference to the second part of this NSider post from 2006.
Lots of "true Nintendo fans" took it upon themselves to hate on anything remotely connected to Rare back when it seemed Nintendo wanted to move DK in a more bongo-oriented direction, and when Miyamoto supposedly said "DKC has mediocre gameplay" and that was treated as gospel.
Kor of Memory
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Donkey kong country returns was as much a reboot as return to dreamland was.
Since I'm playing Tomodachi Life now, hope we see more of that 3DS stage again soon.
I only remember my boring ones :[
Nikki from Swapnote stole Lucina from me ;-;
I only remember my boring ones :[
No, he was a king in the first one and a pirate in the second game
It is. Rightfully so. And water levels always meant you could use the kickass sword fish buddy. Soo good *_*
Who else would they add as a DK villain?
Tiki Tong? wouldn't fit into smash and at that point people would rather have andross than wooden throwaway villain andross.
The Snowmad Boss? He's been in one game and is exactly the same as K. Rool, an overweight animal, except he's no way near as iconic and won't even be in the third DKCR game if they make one.
Also DKCR isn't a reboot, it's a continuation of the DKC series.
The thing is, I actually do like most of the Kremlings. Kritters in particular are a really solid mook design, even when re-jiggered into their current form:
But K. Rool hasn't adapted nearly as well. It's tough to modernize him, because the most egregious design flaws are the ones that define him.
There are many kremling variants I would take as a playable Smash character over K Rool
It used to be everywhere at retail and then I read online that it was hard to find, so that very afternoon I go to a target and it's entirely sold out. It's like nintendo recalled it or something which jacked up the prices.
Oh, ok. Fine with me. I don't care one bit about K.Rool, but if Sakurai can make him into a cool character, I'm down for more roster variety.
Lol, "Nintendo doesn't know how to make a DK game" sounds a lot like other Nintendo franchises nowadays
kuroneko0509
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Ahh I see.
Got the urge to check amazon uk and looks like it's still £35.40. not that high :lol
DK Jr. was in Mario Tennis 64 too.
Also wow at that sprite sheet. King K. Rool its just not a well designed character lol
They already have Mario, the best DK villain.
So generalizations and projecting them ad the majority? That will help your argument.
They don't.
Or the above.
Or the above.
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