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2014 Israel-Gaza Conflict [UN: 1,525+ Palestinian dead, mostly civilian; 66 Israeli]

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zer0blivion said:
AP, CBC and CNN are reporting that Hamas rejected the ceasefire extension. CNN reported 6 mortars fired.
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As a muslim im all for banning fucking hamas from gaza. WTF is their problem. I know they hate israel but they know what is going to happen because of their rejection to the ceasefire now. i fucking hate hamas as much as israel now to be honest.
 
Omiee said:
As a muslim im all for banning fucking hamas from gaza. WTF is their problem. I know they hate israel but they know what is going to happen because of their rejection to the ceasefire now. i fucking hate hamas as much as israel now to be honest.
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Ban them and what then? You think the Palestinians will lie down on their back and live in peace while being occupied ?
 
LNBL said:
The evidence is pilling up against Israel. I put the IDF and their government above Hamas on the list of terrorist organizations. That is based on this deliberate massacre, the massacre in Gaza and the Westbank in the previous years and the massacre of mostly covilians in the Lebanon wars.
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I agree.
 
https://twitter.com/UNRWA/status/493083064084340737

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Just....... damn,.......
 
JordanN said:
Well I can't think of a source greater than someone who was there first hand. And as he says, information doesn't get reported or is distorted so it's possible the naysayers are using that.

Unless he's some kind of asshole, I think I can take his word for it. But I definitely want to listen from more account from both sides.
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He doesn't even have to lie. He just has to be drinking the IDF Kool aid, which he almost certainly is. "Hamas uses human shields" has been repeated so many times now by the IDF that its become a false truism amongst its members, kind of like American soldiers who thought they were going to Iraq to avenge 9/11 or find WMDs.
 
No links between being anti-Zionist and anti-semitic.

Maninthemirror said:
So Hamas wants a 24 hour ceasefire not 4 Hours ?
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Should give them enough time to push through the weapons deal with North Korea.

Dr.Guru of Peru said:
He doesn't even have to lie. He just has to be drinking the IDF Kool aid, which he almost certainly is. "Hamas uses human shields" has been repeated so many times now by the IDF that its become a false truism amongst its members, kind of like American soldiers who thought they were going to Iraq to avenge 9/11 or find WMDs.
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10 Proofs Hamas uses Civilians as Human Shields.
 
LNBL said:
Ban them and what then? You think the Palestinians will lie down on their back and live in peace while being occupied ?
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It's sad because some people don't really know what lead to the formation of Hamas and how they've come to this point. If Hamas goes, which they won't, another group will form. People aren't going to sit around and continue to be oppressed. There hasn't been a time in history where people just continued to be oppressed.
 
Hix said:
No links between being anti-Zionist and anti-semitic.



Should give them enough time to push through the weapons deal with North Korea.



10 Proofs Hamas uses Civilians as Human Shields.
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It took me one minute to realize your source was complete shit. Your blog keenly forgets to mention to the reader that the school those rockets were stored in had been abandoned. No one was in there. Hence that's not an example of human shielding.

When your first example in your human shield link is a complete misrepresentation of the truth by way of lying by omission I can only fathom what other crap you are feeding people here.

However posts like these at least help me figure out who's judgement and opinion I should completely ignore given what you accept as passable evidence and your clear bias.
 
LNBL said:
I think i'll trust the word of Amnesty international and Human rights watch before I trust a random blog which seems to not even know what the definition of Human shield is.
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You'd think you wouldn't have quoted all of my post, given you only responded to part of it.

The "Random Blog" actually posts evidence, including video evidence. Feel free to continue to ignore it though.

Also babies.

Miles Quaritch said:
This blog doesn't seem biased at all.
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But are the proofs, which come from sources such as the UN, WAPO and the WSJ, incorrect?

Jonm1010 said:
It took me one minute to realize your source was complete shit. Your blog keenly forgets to mention to the reader that the school those rockets were stored in had been abandoned. No one was in there. Hence that's not an example of human shielding.
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There were two schools.

It backs up the Israeli argument that they are using civilian infrastructure for storing and firing weapons. That the kids had left by then is irrelevant.

When your first example in your human shield link is a complete misrepresentation of the truth by way of lying by omission I can only fathom what other crap you are feeding people here.
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Ah, there we go, feel free to ignore the rest of them. Easier than picking holes in them anyway.
 
Hix said:
10 Proofs Hamas uses Civilians as Human Shields.
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Five Israeli Talking Points on Gaza—Debunked
http://m.thenation.com/article/180783-five-israeli-talking-points-gaza-debunked

Noura Erakat Debates the Tactics and Ethics of Warfare on PBS Newshour
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/18665/jadaliyya-co-editor-noura-erakat-debates-the-tacti

Noura Erakat of George Mason University and Amos Guiora of the University of Utah to discuss and debate accusations that "Hamas is using civilians as human shields and the ethics of targeting civilian areas.
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Hix said:
You'd think you wouldn't have quoted all of my post, given you only responded to part of it.

The "Random Blog" actually posts evidence, including video evidence. Feel free to continue to ignore it though.

Also babies.



But are the proofs, which come from sources such as the UN, WAPO and the WSJ, incorrect?
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Proof of rockets eing found in an empty school. How does that classify as Hamas using human shields? I stopped reading it after that.

As for the rest of your posts. Israel receives weapons and funds from the USA to commit these terrorist attacks, don't see how any israel defender has any right to talk about Hamas getting foreign support as well.
 
It backs up the Israeli argument that they are using civilian infrastructure for storing and firing weapons. That the kids had left by then is irrelevant.
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It's not irrelevant when they are arguing it was Human Shielding to justify their clear lack of care when it comes to what sort of Palestinian they are killing.

I'm pretty sure Israel bombs all military targets they find straight away. Abandoned buildings that aren't obvious seem logical.
 
LNBL said:
Proof of rockets eing found in an empty school. How does that classify as Hamas using human shields? I stopped reading it after that.
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How convenient.

As for the rest of your posts. Israel receives weapons and funds from the USA to commit these terrorist attacks, don't see how any israel defender has any right to talk about Hamas getting foreign support as well.
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Hamas is an internationally recognised terrorist organisation currently making arms deals with North fucking Korea.

Israel is a democratic, modern and progressive country that has a right to remove threats to the every day lives of those who live here.

Ether_Snake said:
BBC says Hamas fired rockets, rejecting the cease-fire.
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This would be the...4th? ceasefire Hamas has rejected so far?
 
Hix said:
How convenient.



Hamas is an internationally recognised terrorist organisation currently making arms deals with North fucking Korea.

Israel is a democratic, modern and progressive country that has a right to remove threats to the every day lives of those who live here.



This would be the...4th? ceasefire Hamas has rejected so far?
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LOL. Apartheid and ethnic cleansing is so progressive.
 
Hix said:
How convenient.



Hamas is an internationally recognised terrorist organisation currently making arms deals with North fucking Korea.

Israel is a democratic, modern and progressive country that has a right to remove threats to the every day lives of those who live here.



This would be the...4th? ceasefire Hamas has rejected so far?
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We all know Hamas is a terrorist organization but Israel supporters refused to accept its apartheid practices and that IDF basically commits state sponsored terrorism and war crimes. We know what evil Hamas can do but Israel as the so called democratic society and progressive nation comes off as worse
 
BTW Israel is taking a chapter from North Korea's playbook and destroying homes of relatives of Hamas members. No other country that claims to be "democratic and progressive" punishes you for your relatives sins.
 
Hix said:
How convenient.



Hamas is an internationally recognised terrorist organisation currently making arms deals with North fucking Korea.

Israel is a democratic, modern and progressive country that has a right to remove threats to the every day lives of those who live here.



This would be the...4th? ceasefire Hamas has rejected so far?
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How convenient? You don't want to answer the question?

Israel could well be all that you say, they still murdered 1000 people in Gaza, all jusified by a lie created by Netanyahu and his agenda. They are as much part of a terrorist organization as Hamas is.
 
Hix said:
How convenient.



Hamas is an internationally recognised terrorist organisation currently making arms deals with North fucking Korea.

Israel is a democratic, modern and progressive country that has a right to remove threats to the every day lives of those who live here.



This would be the...4th? ceasefire Hamas has rejected so far?
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But what about the ones outside of Israel?
 
Hix said:
How convenient.



Hamas is an internationally recognised terrorist organisation currently making arms deals with North fucking Korea.

Israel is a democratic, modern and progressive country that has a right to remove threats to the every day lives of those who live here.



This would be the...4th? ceasefire Hamas has rejected so far?
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Why is it convenient? It's a fact. And Israel is selling US weapon technology to friggin' China.

About those human shields, guess I have to quote myself:

Gemüsepizza;122726863 said:
Unless "he's some kind of asshole"? Like the IDF soldiers who used civilians as human shields before?


http://www.jeremiahhaber.com/2009/07/breaking-silence-gaza-testimonies-use.html

http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/11/26/israel-soldiers-punishment-using-boy-human-shield-inadequate

http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20021114

http://www.btselem.org/human_shields/20060720_human_shields_in_beit_hanun

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/06/20/309997/israel-uses-palestinian-kids-as-shields-un/

The IDF even dared to appeal the ban of human shields:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4333982.stm

Funny how the claims about human shield usage by Hamas only come from the IDF, and never from independent human right groups.
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Hix said:
Hamas is an internationally recognised terrorist organisation currently making arms deals with North fucking Korea.
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You're making it very easy, yes.
Hamas isn't internationally recognized as terrorist organisation, mostly in the USA and their allies. But well, for some people that is all that is in the world.
The United States, Canada, the European Union, Jordan, Egypt and Japan classify Hamas as a terrorist organization. Other states, however, including Iran, Russia, Turkey, China and many Arab nations do not.
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And when it comes to arms deals... they won't get many weapons from a lot of nations. Unlike Israel that buys nuclear subs from germany.

Hix said:
Israel is a democratic, modern and progressive country that has a right to remove threats to the every day lives of those who live here.
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Oh sorry, I seem to have stumbled in some tourist advertisement.
 
So, why did Hamas fire rockets back at Israel to reject the ceasefire? What's the objective there as the Israeli cabinet is working on a longer ceasefire proposal to the UN?
 
Hix said:
You'd think you wouldn't have quoted all of my post, given you only responded to part of it.

The "Random Blog" actually posts evidence, including video evidence. Feel free to continue to ignore it though.

Also babies.



But are the proofs, which come from sources such as the UN, WAPO and the WSJ, incorrect?



There were two schools.

It backs up the Israeli argument that they are using civilian infrastructure for storing and firing weapons. That the kids had left by then is irrelevant.



Ah, there we go, feel free to ignore the rest of them. Easier than picking holes in them anyway.
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Link me proof the schools were ever occupied when the rockets were stored? Your blog conveniently leaves out any evidence trail. Just a photo and his interpretation that already selectively chose not to mention that at least one of the schools was abandoned.

I have no problem condemning Hamas but at the same time I have no desire to ignore the atrocities that the other side has and is committing.

You read like someone consumed by propaganda and bias, convinced of anything that supports your position, no matter how flimsy the evidence. You are literally standing behind a blog that has been shown to be inaccurate in its first sentence and completely dismissing the number of international investigations that came to the opposite conclusion with regards to human shields and Hamas. The fact you are so quick to share and stand behind a blog that is completely one sided and is riddled with inaccuracies over international investigations shows me your judgement and account of reality is not to be trusted.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...197236-1dd7-4874-a3eb-f9438065644f_story.html

In West Bank, Israel revives punitive home demolitions in effort to deter Hamas

HEBRON, West Bank — Said Kawasmeh received the order from Israel’s military last week. His two-story house was to be demolished, and his large family had 48 hours to leave.

The reason: Kawasmeh’s son is a key suspect in the brutal kidnapping and killing of three Israeli teenagers whose fates helped reignite the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

The son, Marwan, has disappeared. So Israel has zeroed in on his family.

“I built this house, and I own it,” lamented Kawasmeh, seated on a chair in his empty house. Outside, the family’s possessions lay in boxes and shopping bags, or scattered on the ground. “Why do they want to punish me?”

As Israel pummels Hamas’s infrastructure inside Gaza, it is also trying to prevent attacks originating from the West Bank and Israel — by obliterating the houses of the relatives of Palestinians who allegedly have harmed Israelis. In doing so, Israel’s military has returned to a controversial policy of punitive demolitions that has displaced thousands of Palestinians over the years.

The policy — different from Israel’s ongoing practice of destroying Palestinian structures it claims are unauthorized or built without valid permits — had been abandoned nine years ago because the military deemed it an ineffective deterrent against the Palestinian militancy.

Since the policy was reintroduced last month, the family house of a Palestinian charged in the shooting death of an Israeli civilian has been demolished. Now, the houses of Kawasmeh and two other suspects in the slayings of the Israeli youths are on the list. On behalf of the families, human rights lawyers have appealed to the Israeli military to stop the demolitions. They also plan to petition Israel’s highest court if necessary. But the activists said that they do not expect to succeed and that the houses will probably be demolished as early as this week.

“Regardless of the situation, it is morally outrageous to punish individuals or families for the action of others, [people] who have not been involved in any kind of lawbreaking,” said Sarit Michaeli, a spokeswoman for B’Tselem, an Israeli human rights group. “In a nutshell, it is an official policy of harming the innocent.”

Israeli government officials say Palestinian militants are considered heroes by their communities, which shower them and their families with money and other forms of financial support. Such encouragement helps perpetuate a cycle of militancy, the officials say.

“The defense community, the government and intelligence communities all believe that using demolitions can serve as a deterrent that can balance somewhat these inducements,” said a senior Israeli government official who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to speak freely. “It levels the playing field.”

The renewal of punitive house demolitions comes at a time when Israelis feel extremely vulnerable to attacks by Palestinian militants. Hamas militants are firing rockets at Israeli towns and infiltrating Israel through tunnels, even as Israeli forces are fighting the militants in Gaza and battering the strip with airstrikes.

Between 2001 and 2005, Israel’s military demolished 664 houses belonging to suspected Palestinian militants and their families, according to B’Tselem. The policy was abandoned in 2005 after the military determined that the demolitions bred resentment and inspired fresh recruits, helping fuel the Palestinian insurgency.

The order to destroy the Kawasmeh home comes as the government is facing pressure from Israelis to bring the killers of the three Israeli youths to justice.

Eyal Yifrach, 19, and Natftali Fraenkel and Gilad Shaar, both 16, were kidnapped June 12 while hitchhiking home from their religious schools in the West Bank. After an 18-day search, they were found in a field in the occupied territory, shot to death.

Israel accused Hamas of orchestrating the killing. Israeli troops cracked down hard on the militant group in the West Bank; Hamas responded by escalating rocket fire from Gaza into Israel.

Hours after the teens’ bodies were found, Israeli troops arrived in Hebron and stormed into the homes of Marwan Kawasmeh and a nearby neighbor, Amer Abu Aysha. The soldiers used explosives to destroy a portion of both houses, and they arrested relatives. Both men, whom Israel alleges are Hamas operatives and the primary suspects, had been missing since the teenagers disappeared. A third suspect, who allegedly played a minor role, is in Israeli custody.

Two days after the bodies were found, on July 2, a Palestinian teenager was abducted in Jerusalem and beaten to death in apparent revenge. Although Israel later arrested and indicted three Israelis on charges of murder, the slaying fanned the tensions. On July 8, Israel launched an operation in Gaza.

Last week, female relatives and children sat inside the Abu Aysha home. The Israelis had arrested the male relatives. The house was already empty and partially destroyed by Israeli soldiers. On the second floor, the blue sky was visible through a gaping hole carved by explosives. Cracks scarred the ceilings and egg-yellow walls. Windows were shattered.

Outside, the Palestinian Red Crescent had erected a tent for the family to sleep in.

Relatives said Amer Abu Aysha is a 32-year-old blacksmith, married with three small boys. They denied that he was a member of Hamas and insisted that they had not heard from him. They believe the Israelis kidnapped him and Kawasmeh and framed them for the deaths of the Israeli teens to have an excuse to attack Hamas and weaken it in the West Bank.

“Nobody has convicted Amer,” said Muhammed Abu Aysha, his uncle, who was visiting the home. “Even if he was convicted, the people who live in this house had nothing to do with it. Why should they have to pay the price?”

“The three Israelis who killed the Palestinian kid, are their houses going to be destroyed?” he asked.

At the Kawasmehs’ house, relatives said Marwan, 29, was a barber. His mother denied he was a Hamas member.

The Israeli government official said that often a suspect’s relatives “are not innocent civilians.” In this case, members of both families are believed to have strong ties to Hamas, said Moussa Abu Hashhash, a field researcher in Hebron for B’Tselem, arguing that Israel “wants to satisfy the Israeli settlers and Israeli public” with the demolitions.

Around Hebron, long-standing tensions between Palestinians and Israeli settlers have deepened during the past five weeks. Israelis here said they are convinced that Kawasmeh and Abu Aysha are guilty.

“I don’t think it’s enough punishment,” said Jakov Dvash, 18, referring to the demolitions. “In America, people get the death penalty for lesser crimes. They murdered three children, God sake.”

A few steps away, a Palestinian named Muhammed painted pottery in his shop. “They haven’t done anything,” said Muhammed, who out of fear refused to give his full name. “Until now, who says this? Only the Israelis. Until now, there is no proof.”

Other Palestinians warned that demolitions would only help breed more resentment against Israel and potentially mean more recruits for Hamas.

“They are creating a whole generation filled with hatred by doing this,” said Muhammed Abu Aysha. “If you ask me if there will be peace, I don’t think so.”
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...es-sent-to-gulags-by-North-Korean-regime.html

Several hundred relatives of Jang Song-thaek, executed recently on charges of plotting to overthrow the North Korean state, have been rounded up and sent to political prison camps.
It is common in North Korea for family members of anyone found guilty of a crime to be punished, but the scale of these arrests underline the lengths to which Kim Jong-un is going to eradicate his uncle and former mentor from the nation's history.
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North Korea and Israel, beacons of progressivism.
 
You know this thread perfectly represents either side of the conflict.

You have one side slinging shit at the other, and the other slinging it right back, with the voices of reason drowned out in the middle (i myself am responsible for shit slinging too).

It is no different to the verbal shit slinging that the Israeli government is doing, as is Hamas, and unfortunately they are also lobbing bombs and bullets with their words, and any voice of reason in Israel or the Palestinian territories is being silenced.
 
Hix said:
Israel is a democratic, modern and progressive country that has a right to remove threats to the every day lives of those who live here.
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I know you're probably being paid for this, but come the fuck on.

You're not going to convince any human being with an ounce of compassion or decency that an 80% civilian casualty rate is acceptable under any circumstances.
 
Hix said:
How convenient.



Hamas is an internationally recognised terrorist organisation currently making arms deals with North fucking Korea.

Israel is a democratic, modern and progressive country that has a right to remove threats to the every day lives of those who live here.



This would be the...4th? ceasefire Hamas has rejected so far?
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This is not how "modern and progressive" countries behave. And I say this as someone with Israeli family living in Israel right now.
 
Hix said:
Also babies.
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Ahahahahahahahahaha

Literally wounded soldiers telling their parents telling a propaganda newspaper. And you actually think this might stand for something. Wow.

Hey, next, why don't you link to some random jihad blog that still has Jews drinking the blood of children because apparently, you really are that stupid to believe everything you read on the internet.
 
Hix said:
How convenient.



Hamas is an internationally recognised terrorist organisation currently making arms deals with North fucking Korea.

Israel is a democratic, modern and progressive country that has a right to remove threats to the every day lives of those who live here.



This would be the...4th? ceasefire Hamas has rejected so far?
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Like The U.S. hasn't supported brutal regimes in Latin America and The Middle East.
 
Quotient said:
You know this thread perfectly represents either side of the conflict.

You have one side slinging shit at the other, and the other slinging it right back, with the voices of reason drowned out in the middle (i myself am responsible for shit slinging too).

It is no different to the verbal shit slinging that the Israeli government is doing, as is Hamas, and unfortunately they are also lobbing bombs and bullets with their words, and any voice of reason in Israel or the Palestinian territories is being silenced.
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Let's all just abstain.
 
WonkyPanda said:
So, why did Hamas fire rockets back at Israel to reject the ceasefire? What's the objective there as the Israeli cabinet is working on a longer ceasefire proposal to the UN?
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Hamas is a crime syndicate that doesn't want peace. They profit from every Israeli bomb and every Western dollar and media piece used for the conflict. Their terrorist leaders are around the world profiting off of these crimes against humanity, and every casualty converts more militants in a vicious cycle.
 
Abounder said:
Hamas is a crime syndicate that doesn't want peace. They profit from every Israeli bomb and every Western dollar and media piece used for the conflict. Their terrorist leaders are around the world profiting off of these crimes against humanity and every casualty converts more militants in a vicious cycle.
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It has been a while since we heard te "hamas does not want peace" and "Hamas wants the covilians dead to use as propaganda and profit" arguments.

I'm sure any other group op people from other countries or religions would live in peace under occupation. An occupation that denies them many Human rights.
 
Abounder said:
Hamas is a crime syndicate that doesn't want peace. They profit from every Israeli bomb and every Western dollar and media piece used for the conflict. Their terrorist leaders are around the world profiting off of these crimes against humanity and every casualty converts more militants in a vicious cycle.
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I am just generally curious because it seems disingenuous to complain about the human toll and being bullied, you have a break to work on diplomatic peace, but then accuse the significantly stronger side of plotting more attacks (maybe true, who knows?) and your recourse for the accusation is to launch rockets at them?

I really don't understand.
 
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