Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XI: Where 90% correct equals 100% wrong

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ShockingAlberto said:
I find it really strange that, in your attempt to show Miyamoto hates all stories and characterization, you never pulled up this quote.



If you didn't want a sarcastic answer, it seems logical that you shouldn't be trying to be cute when saying untrue things.
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I'm not trying to be cute. I don't know why you feel the need to be combative with every response.

Hate is a strong word to use, and in retrospect, I should of chosen another way to say it, but I think it's fair to say that the projects he works on tend to eschew story in favor of other types of content, and this does not always lend itself well to the product as a whole.
 
Hours Left said:
I'm not trying to be cute. I don't know why you feel the need to be combative with every response.

Hate is a strong word to use, and in retrospect, I should of chosen another way to say it, but I think it's fair to say that the projects he works on tend to eschew story in favor of other types of content, and this does not always lends itself well to the product as a whole.
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As much as I love Miyamoto, I do often get a vibe of him having his hand in too many projects at once. This seems to be going away, as he mentions wanting to hand the reigns over to younger groups who can take over once he's retired, but there's definitely some examples (like the infamous Dinosaur Planet to Star Fox suggestion) that I can't really think of a context where his suggestion improved the game. It's hard to comment, because we can't see the game in the stages they were in when Miyamoto was making changes to them, but I see where you're coming from.

And, for what it's worth, I haven't been reading your posts as hostile.

Toxi said:
Gotta say, even as a Prime fan I miss the hand on hip taunt.

Best thing about Smash 4 is gonna be the new taunts.
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Have there been any confirmed taunt changes outside of Sonic?
 
Watch Da Birdie said:
I honestly think the Murasame Castle coming to VC is hinting more at Takamaru being in Hyrule Warriors. It makes so much sense since him and Link are "brothers", in a sense of how their original games played, and him already being in a Warriors.



Funny thing is, Yuri Lowenthal I'm pretty sure can actually speak Japanese decently (see how in Naruto he actually pronounced everything correctly). So it's sort of meta they got him to do the over-the-top accent.
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He also did Wonder White, further proving that.
 
BY2K said:
Sakurai posted this, I think it's Lucina with different hair styles.

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EDIT: Actually, it's Figma that posted the image and Sakurai answered something else.

Lucina Figma Figure incoming?
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Interesting 5 steps :lol
Been wondering how her hair changed from one style into another
BY2K said:
Oh yeah, Lucina Figma incoming.

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Wait, is it already out?
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Oh painted version already. No it's not out yet, but since the painted version was displayed at Wonderful Hobby Life it might be coming soon. The last time it was seen during WonFest 2013 but not painted
 
Well, it seems we're out of the woods as far as that awful "Meta Knight + Bandana Bee at SDCC" rumor goes. Whew. Not that I hate Bandana Dee or anything, but L-canceling/wavedashing on online + no Chrous Kids = no thank you.

Moving on, anyone know if there's anywhere I can watch the entire Smash 3DS tournament stream after I've finally gotten home from SDCC?

Troubled Bat said:
Guys, question:

Who would you want to be revealed next, and why?

Shulk or Chorus Kids?
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Oh god, Chorus Kids. No question. I've wanted Rhythm Heaven representation in Smash for a long time, and a playable character would be the best version of that (along with a stage, which would come with it).

I want Shulk too, don't get me wrong, but for me a Rhythm Heaven rep is a much higher priority. Not the popular answer, I know.
 
MaverickHunterAsh said:
Well, it seems we're out of the woods as far as that awful "Meta Knight + Bandana Bee at SDCC" rumor goes. Whew. Not that I hate Bandana Dee or anything, but L-canceling/wavedashing on online + no Chrous Kids = no thank you.

Moving on, anyone know if there's anywhere I can watch the entire Smash 3DS tournament stream after I've finally gotten home from SDCC?
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Yeah, so glad that didn't pan out. As for the tournament, Nintendo's youtube channel has it up.
 
I haven't played Sticker Star myself but I always thought, judging by the Iwata Asks interview, that IntSys just greatly misinterpreted Miyamoto's hint. Maybe something was lost in translation but it sounded to me like he was trying to challenge them to prove to him that SS needs a story. He's known to be pretty blunt otherwise. Of course, I could be wrong.
 
Happy to be of service, SmashGAF. ;)

Mr. Macintosh!! said:
It's interesting that not every screen will show the exact same thing. I had never really considered that.
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Yeah, it's something that seems so obvious considering that other handheld multiplayer games like Mario Kart all show the action individual player's perspective, but I guess it's just hard to imagine since Smash has, up until this point, always been on a single screen.
 
I donno. I personally hate the lack of creativity in Mario stories as of recent. I mean, I know, it's Mario. At its core, most Mario games need two scenes, one where Mario learns he needs to rescue the princess and one where he rescues the princess, but it's a shame they don't have a little more creativity with it. Maybe someone else kidnaps her; maybe she doesn't get kidnapped right away; maybe they're on vacation when it happens. These are all 3 different plots in Mario games (NSMB, Sunshine, World); yet the more recent ones don't seem to vary it up even this much (props to 3D World for doing so, though).
 
List wars.

Top five Nintendo characters I want in Smash:

Ridley
Takamaru
Isaac
Shulk
Chorus Men

Top five third party characters that actually have some relationship with Nintendo:

Bomberman
Simon Belmont
Chocobo
Harvest Moon MC
Slime

Top five GARBAGE characters who should never be in Smash:

King K. Rool
Daisy
Bandana Dee
Shadow
Dark Pit
 
Hatchtag said:
I donno. I personally hate the lack of creativity in Mario stories as of recent. I mean, I know, it's Mario. At its core, most Mario games need two scenes, one where Mario learns he needs to rescue the princess and one where he rescues the princess, but it's a shame they don't have a little more creativity with it. Maybe someone else kidnaps her; maybe she doesn't get kidnapped right away; maybe they're on vacation when it happens. These are all 3 different plots in Mario games (NSMB, Sunshine, World); yet the more recent ones don't seem to vary it up even this much (props to 3D World for doing so, though).
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I don't mind it in the platformers that much, but Sticker Star and, though not to the same extent, the original Paper Mario were a let down in the villain department. Every other Mario RPG has had cool and hilarious villains, even though Bowser plays a large part in most of them.

Also, to add to the list of Mario RPG characters that'll never be in Smash, this guy:

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would be an awesome character addition to Smash. Why aren't they using more characters like this in Mario Kart instead of babies?

Forkball said:
List wars.

Top five GARBAGE characters who should never be in Smash:

Shadow
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I thought you meant from FF6 for a second and I was about to fight you.
 
Oh OK.
People in the smashbros subreddit are going nuts, supposedly he's saying the 3ds version has gone gold and the build at the Japanese tournament will be a final build?

I do not speak Japanese.
 
Hatchtag said:
I donno. I personally hate the lack of creativity in Mario stories as of recent. I mean, I know, it's Mario. At its core, most Mario games need two scenes, one where Mario learns he needs to rescue the princess and one where he rescues the princess, but it's a shame they don't have a little more creativity with it. Maybe someone else kidnaps her; maybe she doesn't get kidnapped right away; maybe they're on vacation when it happens. These are all 3 different plots in Mario games (NSMB, Sunshine, World); yet the more recent ones don't seem to vary it up even this much (props to 3D World for doing so, though).
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Galaxy does offer Rosalina's backstory, the most in-depth storytelling in a mainline Mario game. I think that's a real cool approach for the series: keep main plot simple, leave optional story bits to unlock as you progress.

It'd have been something if in Super Mario 64, every room you unlocked had a text by Peach, narrating her thoughts on each and all of the castle's paintings.
 
NeoTurtle said:
Oh OK.
People in the smashbros subreddit are going nuts, supposedly he's saying the 3ds version has gone gold and the build at the Japanese tournament will be a final build?

I do not speak Japanese.
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I hope this is true, I went to bed last night and literally couldn't sleep for an hour because I was worrying about shields and dodges being way too good.

I'm sick of seeing the E3 version by now, I just want to know if the game is going to be worth sticking with.
 
Golnei said:
Probably because they don't lend themselves to being built mainly with existing assets, as with the babies and metal/gold characters.
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Oh, I know the reason from a development stand point, I meant more from a "why is there no justice in this cruel universe" perspective. :P

Hours Left said:
Plus, that ventures into the tricky "sub-worlds" of Mario.
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Yeah, they seem really hesitant to ever bring stuff over from the RPG games into any of the Mario sports games. Closest we've gotten is the Paper Mario version of Bowser's Castle in Mario Kart: Super Circuit.
 
Top 5 Nintendo
Ray MK II
Hades
Paper Mario or Dimentio (but not both)
Chibi Robo
King K Rool

Top 5 Third Party
Travis Touchdown
Rocket Slime
Neku from TWEWY with a partner system
Geno
Simon Belmont

Top 5 Garbage
Any non-Kanto Pokemon Trainer variation, ESPECIALLY Johto
Isaac
Daisy
Monita
(Can't think of a fifth)

Richie said:
Galaxy does offer Rosalina's backstory, the most in-depth storytelling in a mainline Mario game. I think that's a real cool approach for the series: keep main plot simple, leave optional story bits to unlock as you progress.

It'd have been something if in Super Mario 64, every room you unlocked had a text by Peach, narrating her thoughts on each and all of the castle's paintings.
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I think Galaxy and Galaxy 2 are fine in terms of stories. It was more NSMBWii, 2, U, and 3D Land I was referring to.
 
NeoTurtle said:
Oh OK.
People in the smashbros subreddit are going nuts, supposedly he's saying the 3ds version has gone gold and the build at the Japanese tournament will be a final build?

I do not speak Japanese.
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Well, I don't know the source for that, but if they're referring to his two tweets today, he just said that all playable demos of the 3DS version throughout the world are using the E3 build, and that the final version of the game will be even more polished. I haven't heard anything about the game going gold, though.

MasterBalls said:
^Hey why the Johto hate bub? Best region!
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My man!
 
The lack of Paper Mario representation in Smash is disturbing.

Paper Mario himself should have been playable long ago. Toad Town/Rogueport should have been stages. Rawk Hawk/Dimentio/numerous partners should be assist trophies.

Yet there's nothing. One of the greatest injustices in the world.
 
Benzychenz said:
The lack of Paper Mario representation in Smash is disturbing.

Paper Mario himself should have been playable long ago. Toad Town/Rogueport should have been stages. Rawk Hawk/Dimentio/numerous partners should be assist trophies.

Yet there's nothing. One of the greatest injustices in the world.
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There are some stickers in Brawl.
Kappa
 
MasterBalls said:
I don't know how Johto is worse than the black hole of terrible starters that is Sinnoh. But okay, let's not.
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Sinnoh's third best behind Kanto and Hoenn.
But let's not, let's just not.

And yeah, Paper Mario not getting any rep is really odd. We finally saw Kart get a stage rep in Brawl; I wonder if Paper Mario or Mario Party will get at least a stage in Smash 4.
 
Benzychenz said:
The lack of Paper Mario representation in Smash is disturbing.

Paper Mario himself should have been playable long ago. Toad Town/Rogueport should have been stages. Rawk Hawk/Dimentio/numerous partners should be assist trophies.

Yet there's nothing. One of the greatest injustices in the world.
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A Thousand Year Door stage with audience interaction is just too perfect not to happen.
 
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