2014 Israel-Gaza Conflict [UN: 1,525+ Palestinian dead, mostly civilian; 66 Israeli]

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Dash27 said:
Are you here to troll? They elected a terrorist organization that launches rockets at one neighbor and blows a hole in the border of the other. Neither of which like them much to begin with. But at least Iran and Syria try and arm them... thus causing a blockade.
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A terrorist organization which agreed to a cease fire and then did its best to enforce it, and stop splinter groups from launching rockets.
 
Dai101 said:
They need to believe their own lies, so that others believe them too. Goebbels would be so proud of them.

And now that people are starting to see beyond the lies and go to the streets to show support for Palestine and their people, they are starting to use fear and violence to deterr that:

The message is also reaching Israeli supporters outside the country. Vigilante groups, reportedly associated with the extremist Jewish Defense League (JDL), were recently caught on video in the streets of Paris, armed with metal bars and pepper spray, attacking pro-Palestinian demonstrators.
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More @ http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/attacks-demonstratos-italy.html
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This may be in response to the attacks and vandalism that happened a few days ago to Jews and Jewish shops in France during some of the protests. I didn't see anyone post about it but it was pretty shitty.
 
Particle Physicist said:
This may be in response to the attacks and vandalism that happened a few days ago to Jews and Jewish shops in France during some of the protests. I didn't see anyone post about it but it was pretty shitty.
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It was posted several times, but arguably not very well discussed. Israel critique and anti semitism go hand in hand in these protests. And its a problem for everyone. Local jews are in danger and the israel protesters get drowned in tbe screams against anti semitism.
 
GTP_Daverytimes said:
I wanted to punch through the screen while watching this, be warned.
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at the part where she acts like she has no idea what that reporter is talking about?

"Do Palestinians have the right to defend themselves"

*Puzzled look "What do you mean" "Is this in reference to an incident?" You were right I do want to punch through the screen
 
Smellycat said:
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at the part where she acts like she has no idea what that reporter is talking about?

"Do Palestinians have the right to defend themselves"

*Puzzled look "What do you mean" "Is this in reference to an incident?" You were right I do want to punch through the screen
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the bolded made me cringe so much

seriously
 
Smellycat said:
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at the part where she acts like she has no idea what that reporter is talking about?

"Do Palestinians have the right to defend themselves"

*Puzzled look "What do you mean" "Is this in reference to an incident?" You were right I do want to punch through the screen
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Good for that reporter though. I'm glad the hypocrisy is being acknowledged.
 
Lafiel said:
Anyone read this? http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/why-dont-i-criticize-israel

I think I'm done with the new atheist movement. Although I still enjoy his writings when he's not being irrational about islam such as his writings on spirituality, free will and scientific morality.
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He brings up the Hamas charter. He brings up Holocaust denialism. How any of these support what Israel is doing now is never brought up. His discussion basically comes down to Israelis being more palatable to him than the Arabs and thus more worthy of life.

This guy is scum.
 
Terra Firma said:
He brings up the Hamas charter. He brings up Holocaust denialism. How any of these support what Israel is doing now is never brought up. His discussion basically comes down to Israelis being more palatable to him than the Arabs and thus more worthy of life.

This guy is scum.
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How is the Hamas charter not relevant to what Israel is doing now?
 
Ayman Abu Toaimah, 32, a resident of Khuza’a recalls, “As Israeli invading troops advanced to the village they besieged it and used residents as human shields. When the Israeli army arrested people and then released some of them, they were told they are free to go back to the village, but as they were fleeing they came under fire and some of them shot dead. These people were used as human shields.”

Abu Saleem, 56, a resident of Khuza’a echoed Abu Toaimah, “Israelis claim that Hamas is using us as human shields– how? This is a lie, we do not see fighters in the streets. It’s them, the Israelis who used us as human shields in Khuza’a and Shuja’iyeh. They turned our houses into military posts, terrified residents in the houses. They attacked innocent civilians with their bombs, and missiles, they attacked chicken farms, they burned our crops, they have no mercy.”

Abu Ali Qudail a resident of Khuza’a said: “When the ICRC told us that ambulances are waiting us at the entrance of the village from the western side, about 1,000 people rushed to leave their homes, some of which were used as a hideout for Israeli forces. As people were leaving they were surprised that the ambulances were not there, and as we were waiting tank shells rained down on our heads.”

Abu Ali Qudail continued: “I was watching members of my family dying in front of me, some of them were torn to pieces. Rami, Ibrahim, Alia, Haj Abed died..we had to leave them behind, as soon as we reached one of the Khan Younis schools we entered it to seek shelter but it was very crowded with people who fled their homes. It’s hard to see people dying and you do not know what to do. One of my relatives’ homes were struck while they were inside.”
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Will have to wait and see findings from international groups, but not the first time Israel will be accused and proven of using human shields.
 
KingK said:
I love how the media's response to claims of bias is always "Well we tried to get Hamas officials on air, but it's too hard. How could we possibly give any context to the situation without Hamas officials accepting our invitations! Now here's an Israeli spokesmen who will speak, unchallenged, about the situation for the next ten minutes."

It's the same excuse Chris Hayes used when he interviewed her.
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It's also a blatantly dishonest way of framing the issue. If you can't get the direct actors to speak, then you get knowledgeable people who can explain the situation. They do this all the time for other conflicts, even if many are worthless.
 
The savagery of Israel knows no limits in it’s ongoing assaults on Gaza. Acoording to the latest confirmed updates of the Ministery of Health in Gaza at least 1000 people of whome over 80& civilians and many children are killed and over 5700 injured (update July 26, 2014) . 44% of Gaza-one of the most densely populated places on earth-has now been declared as a ‘No-go zone’ as OCHA reports. But Palestinians in Gaza have nowhere to go as Prof. Dr. Richard Falk wrote too.The devastation is unimaginable.

While Israel does it’s utmost best to deceive the world and convince others with it’s lies, even by paying liars to funnel up hatred and distorted news, the worldwide outrage shows Israel (again) is loosing the war on truth. Worldwide protest of a magnitude unknown before, show the tide is turning. It can no longer uphold the myths nor conceal the ugly reality it created since it started massacring around since 1937.


But Israel is loosing the war in media

While it smothers many voices in Gaza by literally killing them, the attempts to silence the press are failing as well. Journalists are fired for speaking out, and literally fired at as press buildings and press are under artillery and bomb-attacks as well. And several (photo)journalists have been killed already.

The lameness of Israel knows no ends, as it even forbade B’Tselem, an Israeli NGO, to read out the names of the slayed babies and children on the radio. You can watch the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcTbMOabFhg#t=12

But no, it can not close the eyes nor shut the mouths of those who behold the massacres as they unfold. And social media shows this!

Even if it pays per tweet or post the employed in it’s ‘war room‘ who sell their conscience to create global dillusion.

We don’t pay for your tweets. Never. Humanity is not for sale. It needs your voice and the time is here to speak out once and for always. Enough is Enough!

#iSupportGaza Campaign

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress....supportgaza-like-373-000-people-worldwide-do/ Contains graphic images. Be warned.

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https://twitter.com/Dilmunite/status/493531962297298945
 
Dai101 said:
While Israel does it’s utmost best to deceive the world and convince others with it’s lies, even by paying liars to funnel up hatred and distorted news, the worldwide outrage shows Israel (again) is loosing the war on truth. Worldwide protest of a magnitude unknown before, show the tide is turning. It can no longer uphold the myths nor conceal the ugly reality it created since it started massacring around since 1937.
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Well yeah "I may have pulled the trigger but it's still his fault" defenses can only work for so long.
 
The biggest problem again is

Most acknowledge Hamas is a terrorist organization

Israel action defenders will never acknowledge faults in the Israeli response let alone what Israel does when its not killing civilians
 
The most unbelievable part of Israels propaganda is this whole rockets are everywhere issue is that these rockets are MOBILE. So lets talk about the hospitals they were supposedly in. Well Israel warns everyone that they are going to bomb the hospital. Rockets are moved and they bomb the hospital anyways. So what fucking good does that do? Nothing. Same can be said for these other largely imaginary civilian buildings that all of these rockets are in.
 
Dai101 said:
Documenting death: The man who counts the bodies in Gaza

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=716622
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Yeah, I feel that whoever demonizes Hamas actually doesn't know what happened after their election in Gaza. Despite their extremist leanings, they were voted in because Fatah was too corrupt. They (Hamas) took over the entire bureaucratic apparatus, which meant thousands of civil servants were needed for day to day activities.

Saying "LOL Hamas is a terror organization and must be stopped at all costs" is the simplest and most harmful stance anyone can take. In fact, political inclusion could have been the moderating force that's needed for peace.

Maninthemirror said:
The biggest problem again is

Most acknowledge Hamas is a terrorist organization

Israel action defenders will never acknowledge faults in the Israeli response let alone what Israel does when its not killing civilians
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I think the bigger problem is that Israel, because of political pressures, never takes a step towards peace but rather for the status quo -- the idea of a besieged Israel.
 
Dash27 said:
Just like if you keep getting asked what 2+2 is. The answer doesn't change.



Based on just their say so or... ?

They get a cookie if it's true but that's hardly impressive considering who we are talking about.
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2+2= IDF killing 700 civilians because HAMAS
 
Hackworth said:
Holy shit, don't read the comments on this story because that level of concentrated war-boner is terrifying.


Poll: 86.5% of Israelis oppose cease-fire
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Phrased like this:

The first endorsed a ceasefire because “Israel had enough achievements, soldiers have died, and it is time to stop.” The second said Israel cannot accept a cease-fire because “Hamas continues firing missiles on Israel, not all the tunnels have been found, and Hamas has not surrendered.”
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How do you not pick #2?

Now if the first one said "Israel had enough achievements, soldiers and hundreds of Gazan civilians have died...." maybe you'd get more votes. But without a stop to the rockets and Hamas disarming, dismantling the tunnels. No surprise.
 
What really gets me is that the brutal occupation doesn't justify hamas' action. But apparently hamas actions justify killing 700 civilians and making 10000s homeless.

Israel will reap what it sows.
 
Dash27 said:
2+2 is "Why are you fighting?!" "Because they fired a thousand rockets into our country and try to kidnap our people and we have the right to defend ourselves"
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"We must defend ourselves from the people who've been under our thumbs for five decades!"
 
Dash27 said:
2+2 is "Why are you fighting?!" "Because they fired a thousand rockets into our country and try to kidnap our people and we have the right to defend ourselves"
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Because they destroy our homes, kill our people, attack UN shelters under false pretenses and subjugate our people.
 
Dubbedinenglish said:
"Defend themselves" really doesn't make sense in the context. Better point is to question if the Palestinans have the right to resist oppression.
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How is resisting oppression not defending yourself? I think it's Israel's claim to defence that's lacking, given that they are engaged in an occupation of the people they're defending themselves from.
 
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