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This week's Man Of Steel LTTP (spoilers)
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Schweinehund
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All I hear from friends who don't read comics is that superman is boring because he never loses and is too powerful. People like characters like Ironman and Batman more because they are human, they are someone they can relate to, not quite literally an alien god-like being from another planet. Snyder definitely tried to humanize superman in this incarnation more than Donner's films.
I said it myself the other day, they don't hold up at all and as of today I can say they are corny lol, theme of course is great still and Chris R. was a very awesome Superman but not anymore he is teh definitive for me.
Cavill IS Superman of today!
BFIB
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Which hasn't been in Superman comics in a long time. The "truth, justice, and American Way!" Superman is all but gone.
In the new comics, he's never trusted by anyone. He's constantly being led on and lied to by the government, and anytime anything goes wrong in Metropolis, he's to blame.
I will politely disagree with you. While MoS has better action, and honestly, is a an entertaining movie that I think gets a lot of unfair hate...
superman 1 and 2 has the godlike john williams music. Margot kidder as lois is the near perfect actress for lois. Chris Reeves is incredibly charming and he made that silly costume work. Gene hackman and marlon brando are just icing on top of the cape...I mean, cake. oh and terrence stamp as zod was a great choice.
One of the worst movies I've seen in recent years. Abysmal script, godawful action that never gets compelling thanks to Snyder's nonexistant pacing skills, badly edited, drab, ugly looking, soulless, an useless bastardization of the Superman's history and morals to please todays' audiences. Waste of time, luckly it was on Sky so i didnt have to pay for this pile of shit
I really enjoy it in spite of its terrible script.
The only thing that really bugs me are the people whose hearts bleed for the unknown masses of innocent bystanders that were supposedly killed by Superman's recklessness. Watching the scene again today, I'm stunned at how little carnage there really is, at least the kind of carnage that could result in thousands of lives lost. The absolute worst moment of destruction in it is when Zod takes down a skyscraper with his heat vision and the rest of the time, there's either no civilians to be found or we're talking about debris
The only thing that really bugs me are the people whose hearts bleed for the unknown masses of innocent bystanders that were supposedly killed by Superman's recklessness. Watching the scene again today, I'm stunned at how little carnage there really is, at least the kind of carnage that could result in thousands of lives lost. The absolute worst moment of destruction in it is when Zod takes down a skyscraper with his heat vision and the rest of the time, there's either no civilians to be found or we're talking about debris
I'll say this for Man of Steel, I'll watch Kevin Costner hang out near a tornado every single time if it means not dealing with Superman using his logo like a frisbee
Haloid1177
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Could be that besides the outdated effects the first two Reeves films are just superior films from a movie standpoint.
Because they are.
There's more to movies than CG. And MoS hasn't much to offer outside of that.
The only superior thing is the main theme and thats it.
The movies are just corny and sometimes cringeworthy, I have no nostalgia glasses and even my big and eternal love for all things Superman can't make me see things that are not there anymore.
Those movies are dated and no longer work, sorry bros.
BadAss2961
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It wasn't a suicide, it was a sacrifice amidst a situation he found himself in. He didn't actively seek out a tornado with the intentions of killing himself.
And yes, Clark spent several years afterwards finding himself. Believing in Jonathan and not revealing his power within those years.
bro, I rewatch supes 1 and 2 a few times every year.
I am not your enemy. I know what it feels like being frustrated after seeing all the MoS hate on the net.
I take a corny and dated movie with actual heart over an empty shell of CGI that beats you over the head with script stupidity, christ "metaphors" and shameless product placement.
Haloid1177
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Considering I have no nostalgia glasses for them, since I first saw them when I was 13, they're better. Outside of the action in MoS, the characters are better, the themes are better, and for the love of God the structure is so much better than whatever the hell Snyder did for the first hour of this film.
Just because something looks like shit from today's standards doesn't mean it's corny. Plus, let's not act like MoS didn't have its own cringeworthy moments.
but, it is heartwarming to see so many people defending MoS.
I was a superman fan when I was 5, 24 years later he's still my fav superhero, he'll still be my favorite when i'm old and grey.
Can't possibly criticize a movie without "hating" on it.
I don't care enough about Superman to actively hate MoS.
don't worry it's only 25% being really loud
Mighty Chin
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GuitarAtomik
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Constantly harping on this point shows you still don't really get the intention of that scene or what they were trying to do with John Kent. It's not about not helping people, it's about not exposing your secret.
You don't say...
I thought Man of Steel was alright, but the tornado scene and the ending bugged me no end. Far too grey as well.
I really wanted to see MoS2 over Batman vs Superman and have it deal with clark kent
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OP, the OG comics were even more heavy handed with Jesus metaphor. Parents were Joseph and Mary.
For me, it was the best comic movie drama wise since Spider-man 2.
I do understand some of the criticisms though. Things could have been done differently which wouldn't have turned other people off. My issues were with some of the dialog, but it didn't take away from my enjoyment and appreciation.
OP, the OG comics were even more heavy handed with Jesus metaphor. Parents were Joseph and Mary.
For me, it was the best comic movie drama wise since Spider-man 2.
I do understand some of the criticisms though. Things could have been done differently which wouldn't have turned other people off. My issues were with some of the dialog, but it didn't take away from my enjoyment and appreciation.
He literally died saving a dog.
People who didn't get Jon Kent, likely don't have kids. He knew the bullies couldn't physically hurt his son, but...
"Did they hurt you?"
"You know they can't."
"That's not what I meant. I meant, are you all right?"
If you're an adult (still into superheroes) with a half decent dad, you should be no stranger to being physically stronger and more capable than your father, maybe having more abilities (being more well off), and yet he'd still sacrifice his all to protect you and keep you safer, even if you'd be the "logical" choice to take the hit.
Despite Mark Waid's problems with Man of Steel, Jon Kent's parenting and the tornado scene wasn't one of them.
"Did they hurt you?"
"You know they can't."
"That's not what I meant. I meant, are you all right?"
If you're an adult (still into superheroes) with a half decent dad, you should be no stranger to being physically stronger and more capable than your father, maybe having more abilities (being more well off), and yet he'd still sacrifice his all to protect you and keep you safer, even if you'd be the "logical" choice to take the hit.
Despite Mark Waid's problems with Man of Steel, Jon Kent's parenting and the tornado scene wasn't one of them.
BadAss2961
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But you're here talking about it. Love it, hate it, or whatever, this movie sparks discussion.
Other movies in the genre have very little and weak LTTP threads because people really don't care to talk about them anymore. *cough, Marvel, cough*
Mighty Chin
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I always chuckle with people complaining about product placement. Looking out my window I can see Tim Hortons,Staples, Boston Pizza. Home Depot.
Mighty Chin
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Yeah no one is talking about Marvel at all.
Edit: maybe it's because Marvel actually gets their characters right!
This. My dad, was, and still is, a great man. He has always had my best interests at heart and I think that's more of a blessing than growing up a millionaire or having a dad who is a rock star or a movie star.
Schweinehund
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Yeah its kind of a goofy excuse, I could have done without most of the kid scenes, or at least condense them.
LiveFromKyoto
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Liked this movie except for the
Superman kills Zod scene. It goes against the core of the character imo, and he didn't have to do it. If he can twist his neck, he can lift the guy's head up and away.
BotoxAgent
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thehypocrite
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Are you? Do I need to put IMO in every post I make? cause unless I express that it isn't that's the only opinion I'm presenting.
BadAss2961
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Like Mandarin.
GuitarAtomik
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To where? What are you going to do with Zod? He is out to kill the entire human race.
Personally, I like that he did it as it gives him a reason to never do it again. It was obviously a painful thing (emotionally) for him. He didn't do it casually. He was literally begging Zod to give him another choice. Because of how traumatic it was for him, he'll never do it again.
If there's one thing I could like about the ending, it's the conspiracy theory that came out of it. Nonsense of course, but entertaining to think about.
GuitarAtomik
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Oh what's that? I missed it.
The theory was that by snapping Zod's neck, Kal-El inadvertently directed his heat-vision towards the family anyway, leading to his gut-wrenching scream.
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