Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XI: Where 90% correct equals 100% wrong

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Time to hopefully not jinx the PotD but here's a little discussion.

Out of all the unrevealed Brawl veterans, whose removal from Smash would cause the biggest reaction? Here are the vets just in case you need a reminder:


  • Wario
  • Meta Knight
  • Falco
  • Wolf
  • Jigglypuff
    [*]Ganondorf
  • ROB
  • Ice Climbers
  • Ness
  • Lucas
  • Squirtle
  • Ivysaur
  • Mr Game and Watch*
  • Snake

* = Despite him being shown in Pac-Man's trailer, he's not on the website so I thought I'd add him to the list.

The one character.
 
A new Mother character? I'd be set with Ness and Lucas for life, but Jeff or Masked Man would do the job just fine.

That's what I'm anticipating, too. I don't think I could choose just one M3 location for a stage, though--they're all too good! :D

Indeed! Including Saturn Valley and barring New Pork City, the potential list is:

Tazmily (Pre or Pro Pigmask Renovation)
Osohe Castle
Thunder Tower
DCMC Show Floor
Chimera Lab
Sunflower FIelds (;_;)

I need GAF to have the biggest golden sun discussion ever.

*flash forward to the potd*

Today's post of the day is a trophy of Issac! We had to bump him down to non-assist trophy status to make room for the Shulk assist trophy.

That settles it: EarthboundGAF vs Golden SunGAF tonight!

you know which to pick, sakurai
 
As mentioned in the chat, I think it would have to be Wario and Ganon, who are universally popular characters, both in Smash and outside of it. I would argue cutting Mewtwo generated about as much buzz as cutting either of those 2 would create, maybe even more than if Wario were cut.

There's several characters that are really only "popular" to Smashers (Falco, ICs, G&W, Ness and Jiggs in particular, though I guess Meta Knight too), while other characters people seem to expect to be cut (Snake, ROB, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Wolf, Falco, Jigglypuff and Lucas all seem to be popularly mentioned as people that will/should be cut).

Except for Snake and the 2 PT Pokemon, who seem to be expected to not make it, none are particularly popular outside of Smash, so their removal would likely cause less cause for outrage than Wario, Ganondorf or Mewtwo.
 
Time to hopefully not jinx the PotD but here's a little discussion.

Out of all the unrevealed Brawl veterans, whose removal from Smash would cause the biggest reaction? Here are the vets just in case you need a reminder:


  • Wario
  • Meta Knight
  • Falco
  • Wolf
  • Jigglypuff
  • Ganondorf
  • ROB
  • Ice Climbers
  • Ness
  • Lucas
  • Squirtle
  • Ivysaur
  • Mr Game and Watch*
  • Snake

* = Despite him being shown in Pac-Man's trailer, he's not on the website so I thought I'd add him to the list.
In order of meltdowns:

1. Ness: Earthbound fans are passionate and Smash is all they have anymore. Plus, it would cause a shitstorm over the 'original 12' safety net theory being blown wide open for everyone else.
2. Falco: Beloved veteran from Melee with a lot of history in the game. I can definitely see tons of sour grapes over this.
3. Ganondorf: There's only so many villains in Smash, and I can see people complaining loudly about how Zelda is getting screwed when FE has four characters or something.
4. Jigglypuff: We are many.
5. Lucas: See above, but I don't think it'd sting quite as much if Ness were still in.
 
A new Mother character? I'd be set with Ness and Lucas for life, but Jeff or Masked Man would do the job just fine.



Indeed! Including Saturn Valley and barring New Pork City, the potential list is:

Tazmily (Pre or Pro Pigmask Renovation)
Osohe Castle
Thunder Tower
DCMC Show Floor
Chimera Lab



That settles it: EarthboundGAF vs Golden SunGAF tonight!

you know which to pick, sakurai
If we get a new mother character than I want
Flint
 
Time to hopefully not jinx the PotD but here's a little discussion.

Out of all the unrevealed Brawl veterans, whose removal from Smash would cause the biggest reaction? Here are the vets just in case you need a reminder:


  • Wario
  • Meta Knight
  • Falco
  • Wolf
  • Jigglypuff
  • Ganondorf
  • ROB
  • Ice Climbers
  • Ness
  • Lucas
  • Squirtle
  • Ivysaur
  • Mr Game and Watch*
  • Snake

* = Despite him being shown in Pac-Man's trailer, he's not on the website so I thought I'd add him to the list.

Falco. It's not even close.
 
In other delicious news, the 3DS selection of stages is looking great so far! Still many franchise holes that need filling, though.

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Hmmm, I'm not expecting a great many more new stages at the moment. I wonder how many classics will be available. Great Fox Melee would be pretty cool since Wii U has a new one.
 
Time to hopefully not jinx the PotD but here's a little discussion.

Out of all the unrevealed Brawl veterans, whose removal from Smash would cause the biggest reaction? Here are the vets just in case you need a reminder:


  • Wario
  • Meta Knight
  • Falco
  • Wolf
  • Jigglypuff
  • Ganondorf
  • ROB
  • Ice Climbers
  • Ness
  • Lucas
  • Squirtle
  • Ivysaur
  • Mr Game and Watch*
  • Snake

* = Despite him being shown in Pac-Man's trailer, he's not on the website so I thought I'd add him to the list.

Ganondorf easily. Moreso since he's Sakurai's main in Brawl (then why does he suck so bad there?)
 
Time to hopefully not jinx the PotD but here's a little discussion.

Out of all the unrevealed Brawl veterans, whose removal from Smash would cause the biggest reaction? Here are the vets just in case you need a reminder:


  • Wario
  • Meta Knight
  • Falco
  • Wolf
  • Jigglypuff
  • Ganondorf
  • ROB
  • Ice Climbers
  • Ness
  • Lucas
  • Squirtle
  • Ivysaur
  • Mr Game and Watch*
  • Snake

* = Despite him being shown in Pac-Man's trailer, he's not on the website so I thought I'd add him to the list.

Ness = jigglypuff>falco >snake
 
I'm really glad that the third-party series have the most iconic stages possible on 3DS. I don't care that Green Hill Zone is recycled from Brawl.
 
A new Mother character? I'd be set with Ness and Lucas for life, but Jeff or Masked Man would do the job just fine.

Indeed! Including Saturn Valley and barring New Pork City, the potential list is:


That settles it: EarthboundGAF vs Golden SunGAF tonight!

you know which to pick, sakurai

I would love to see every franchise would have their own stages, along with few non-representative franchise getting stages as well like Duck Hunt Pond and Venus/Mars Lighthouse

Let rooting for Duck Hunt Dog tonight so we know if we would get stage or trophy of Dog itself! :P
 
Time to hopefully not jinx the PotD but here's a little discussion.

Out of all the unrevealed Brawl veterans, whose removal from Smash would cause the biggest reaction? Here are the vets just in case you need a reminder:


  • Wario
  • Meta Knight
  • Falco
  • Wolf
  • Jigglypuff
  • Ganondorf
  • ROB
  • Ice Climbers
  • Ness
  • Lucas
  • Squirtle
  • Ivysaur
  • Mr Game and Watch*
  • Snake

* = Despite him being shown in Pac-Man's trailer, he's not on the website so I thought I'd add him to the list.

Probably Ness and Jigglypuff since they have been around since the N64 days and have been in every game since.

Though honestly I don't think they will get cut.
 
It's hard cos earthbound has always been shafted in terms of representation in smash bros.

How the fuck does the Onett stage not have the Onett music. Why do Ness and Lucas use other people's moves? Why was there no music from Earthbound in Brawl? Maybe a new character is asking too much, but literally any party member from any Mother game would be a perfect fit for smash brothers.

Though to be fair, Smash gave Ness, Lucas, and Mr. Saturn PERFECT voices. Could have been so bad but they got perfect voices/noises for all three.

This so much. Honestly though, I'm at the point where I just want to cling to our reps. If they give me Ness and Lucas back I'll be incredibly happy with this iteration of the game. I'm just terrified we're losing Lucas, which really sucks.
 
1. Ness: Earthbound fans are passionate and Smash is all they have anymore. Plus, it would cause a shitstorm over the 'original 12' safety net theory being blown wide open for everyone else.
lol. It really is.

I can't imagine not having Ness in Smash after the EarthBound VC release though. I'm a bit more worried about Lucas.
 
Jeff would be an amazing addition, but I'd rather see Paula. We'd get another female fighter, and she could use the moves that ness has been stealing all this time. With Paula in, they could overhaul Ness's moves to be more in line with what he actually does in earthbound. Give him a slingshot and PSI Rockin and all his other PSI moves. But that's just me living in dreamland.

I also mentioned a few threads back that I would love a touring stage for earthbound. Riding a UFO or the sky runner across all the iconic places of Eagleland would be so rad. Plus then I don't have to choose between Saturn valley, moon side, and giant's step.

I think someone like Jeff, or maybe one of the Mother 3 crew, would be better than Paula or Poo as they have the best opportunity to truly differentiate their moveset from Ness or Lucas.

edit: by the way, if any of you Ness players want to play, message me some time and we will set it up! Would love to check out any Ness's. Actually, anyone from Neogaf who still plays Brawl online hit me up. Would be cool to see how good people are on here. I am lame and play tourney rules though =(
 
We should be talking about Ice Climbers. :3

Speaking of them, I wonder if they'll get anything new to their moveset, specifically their down-a (air.) I always disliked that move.
 
The selection look pretty good when you have all stages together in a screen.



You did fantastic job!

3DS gets Green Hill Zone! YES!

I hate that they chose Windy Hill for the WiiU version. It's like an advertisement for a game that'll be almost a year old that didn't even turn out to be that great.

Really would have rather seen another Genesis stage or something from a better received Nintendo Sonic.
 
3DS gets Green Hill Zone! YES!

I hate that they chose Windy Hill for the WiiU version. It's like an advertisement for a game that'll be almost a year old that didn't even turn out to be that great.

Really would have rather seen another Genesis stage or something from a better received Nintendo Sonic.

It would be nice we get Casino Night stage for Sonic! :)
 
Lucas moveset is already there from Brawl, theres no reason to cut him
He'd need a new model, animation tweaks, balancing, custom moves/attributes, and an Amiibo figure. There's not enough time and resources to implement every single veteran.

and, on top of that, we just got Lucina as playable character lol
Fire Emblem Awakening was released worldwide and is much more popular than Mother 3.
 
It would be nice we get Casino Night stage for Sonic! :)

I'd actually really like to see something like Final Zone, Death Egg, Flying Battery or Launch Base. Something Sonic but with a "Robotnik's Base" theme where badniks and Robotnik in various "Boss Vehicles" could be a stage hazard.

That might be too close to Wily's Castle territory, though?
 
I think I was the only person who thought it was a good call to remove mewtwo. Not out of some weird spite, I just didn't think he fit. In the movies, Mewtwo was an untouchable god-like character. To have someone like jigglypuff or luigi fighting on par with him feels like a disservice to his character IMO.

That said I'll be glad if he returns just cos so many people want him back.
 
I think I was the only person who thought it was a good call to remove mewtwo. Not out of some weird spite, I just didn't think he fit. In the movies, Mewtwo was an untouchable god-like character. To have someone like jigglypuff or luigi fighting on par with him feels like a disservice to his character IMO.

That said I'll be glad if he returns just cos so many people want him back.

After catching in Y, I kind of want him back too.
 
I think I was the only person who thought it was a good call to remove mewtwo. Not out of some weird spite, I just didn't think he fit. In the movies, Mewtwo was an untouchable god-like character. To have someone like jigglypuff or luigi fighting on par with him feels like a disservice to his character IMO.

That said I'll be glad if he returns just cos so many people want him back.

The same could be said about ness :P
 
So, I talked with some of the moderators at Smashboards; I'm not sure about the cut veterans and some of the other newcomers like Ridley, but apparently the few people who've come forward on info with Duck Hunt Dog and Koopa Clown Car Koopaling (my term) predicted some unique palette swaps a month ago that were confirmed via the latest demos. Still not sure I believe this but hoo boy would it be funny if true.
 
He'd need a new model, animation tweaks, balancing, custom moves/attributes, and an Amiibo figure. There's not enough time and resources to implement every single veteran.
I dont think theres not enough time/resources.

They already wasted a lot of time setting up that demo and a lot of money on things like the invitational.

If something is cut for time reasons, like mewtwo was from brawl, I blame the demo.
 
So, I talked with some of the moderators at Smashboards; I'm not sure about the cut veterans and some of the other newcomers like Ridley, but apparently the few people who've come forward on info with Duck Hunt Dog and Koopa Clown Car Koopaling (my term) predicted some unique palette swaps a month ago that were confirmed via the latest demos. Still not sure I believe this but hoo boy would it be funny if true.

Yeah I'm gonna wait and see myself. Didn't the mods vouch for that other guy who knew a member of the sound crew?
 
I dont think theres not enough time/resources.

They already wasted a lot of time setting up that demo and a lot of money on things like the invitational.

If something is cut for time reasons, like mewtwo was from brawl, I blame the demo.

Every game's gotta have marketing.
 
So, I talked with some of the moderators at Smashboards; I'm not sure about the cut veterans and some of the other newcomers like Ridley, but apparently the few people who've come forward on info with Duck Hunt Dog and Koopa Clown Car Koopaling (my term) predicted some unique palette swaps a month ago that were confirmed via the latest demos. Still not sure I believe this but hoo boy would it be funny if true.

lol Duck Hunt Dog would be such a troll character. It'd be a weird decision but I wouldn't say no. I love me some Duck Hunt. Still pretty much flabbergasted there was never a reboot of Duck Hunt on the Wii (unless you count that Wii Play minigame).
 
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