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[SmithnCo]

So it would be a character that just stays in the koopaling car. Ehhh...

 

[Kjellson]

I have stated several times that I hate the idea of a different characters being just alts, and seeing the Koopalings as just alts for Bowser Jr. is my biggest nightmare.

I wish all seven of them were unique characters. It won't happen, but a man can dream.

 

[Dimitri LH]

I'm so excited to play with sonic again. I really liked what they were going for with him in brawl, but he was so bad

I did too....but it dint feel satisfying doing kills or comboes with him. :/

I love Project M sonic though, muuuuch better.

Lucario hasn't appeared on a POTD since February haha

YIKES!

 

[MrSaturn99]

I think people are overestimating how much work it'd be to have Koopalings alts. If they're in the Koopaling car most the time, the animations would barely have to change, if at all.

Oh yeah, here's the DKVine Lucas reaction you wanted to see.

I just now realized the irony in him mentioning "it's Earthbound 64 all over again," lol.

 

[Starphoenix]

So it would be a character that just stays in the koopaling car. Ehhh...

I'm having trouble even imagining how that would work. Some kind of Tron Bonne/MODOK clone with a lot of creative liberty?

 

[Hatchtag]

I have stated several times that I hate the idea of a different characters being just alts, and seeing the Koopalings as just alts for Bowser Jr. is my biggest nightmare.

I wish all seven of them were unique characters. It won't happen, but a man can dream.

I hate the idea of different characters being alts too, but if it's a character designed around having seperate alts, I'd be fine with it, and that's what this character would seem to be.

Oh yeah, here's the DKVine Lucas reaction you wanted to see.

I just now realized the irony in him mentioning "it's Earthbound 64 all over again," lol.

God damn, that's a lot of salt.

 

[alecfa]

I think people are overestimating how much work it'd be to have Koopalings alts. If they're in the Koopaling car most the time, the animations would barely have to change, if at all.

Hasn't Sakurai stated that if the character's name is different they get their own slot?

 

[emb]

YIKES!

Lucario obviously cut.

How else do you explain him missing from both the 3DS AND Wii U demo builds?

 

[Weiner Whistle]

I think people are overestimating how much work it'd be to have Koopalings alts. If they're in the Koopaling car most the time, the animations would barely have to change, if at all.

With distinct voices, winning and losing animations, ect.? Not to mention most of them have different proportions that wouldn't work well with Bowser Jr.'s figure.

 

[Kyzon]

I did too....but it dint feel satisfying doing kills or comboes with him. :/

I love Project M sonic though, muuuuch better.




YIKES!

I'm actually about to boot up PM and give sonic a try. I never really played with him on there.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

I'm having trouble even imagining how that would work. Some kind of Tron Bonne/MODOK clone with a lot of creative liberties?

It could just hover slightly off the ground but have a ton of extra jumps like Kirby/Jigglypuff do, or a 'float' mechanic similar to Peach. I don't think it's that hard a concept to work in, especially as a ton of different fighting games are able to work in mechs alongside humanoid fighters and have it 'work'.

Hasn't Sakurai stated that if the character's name is different they get their own slot?

Nope; Lucina was originally going to be an alt for Marth for instance. Due to this I'm totally expecting at least stuff like Dr. Mario being an alt with his own name and sound effects (like fireballs replaced with the pill soundbyte), but still moveset/stat wise literally be the OG Mario.

 

[Hatchtag]

Hasn't Sakurai stated that if the character's name is different they get their own slot?

I think it was attributes that had to be different. I donno. The rules on alts are different enough this time around that it's hard to say what the rules would be.

With distinct voices, winning and losing animations, ect.? Not to mention most of them have different proportions that wouldn't work well with Bowser Jr.'s figure.

Win/loss animations would definitely take some work, I'd give you that. Voice clips wouldn't take nearly as much work though, especially if they just port in voices rather than record new lines.

 

[Troubled Bat]

His custom moves will be more spin attacks XD

BTW: I don't HATE Sonic's moveset, more like I feel like they could have done so much more with it. I was a huge Sonic fan as a kid, so that may be why. I always imagined him using his different abilities..... His dash attack is a spin attack too isn't it >_> lol

Do not deny my wants, Kyzon!

Yes, it was, he had a lot of spinning attacks.

 

[DrStiles]

Hasn't Sakurai stated that if the character's name is different they get their own slot?

No, Lucina was almost a Marth alt. But she doesn't have the tipper effect, and that is what gives her her own slot. As soon as they play different -> new slot. Name, gender, etc don't matter too much

 

[Freezie KO]

I know it's Duck Hunt Dog, but I really don't want to beat up on a dog...

 

[SmithnCo]

I'm having trouble even imagining how that would work. Some kind of Tron Bonne/MODOK clone with a lot of creative liberty?

I imagine throws and some other moves might look odd with it.

 

[Kyzon]

Do not deny my wants, Kyzon!

Yes, it was, he had a lot of spinning attacks.

Maybe you'll get a spinning attack that fires shockwaves. Orrrrr he'll be special and just have a mode where he never leaves his ball state.

 

[Forkball]

Metal Koopalings should be in Mario Kart 9.

 

[SmithnCo]

Metal Koopalings should be in Mario Kart 9.

Metal baby Koopalings.

 

[Revven]

I imagine throws and some other moves might look odd with it.

Clown car recently got boxing gloves so... just use the boxing gloves for grabbing and throws.

 

[Ahnez]

Lucario hasn't appeared on a POTD since February haha

And people say Sakurai dont play favorites

Spoiler

Sakurai hates Lucario confirmed

 

[akidnamededdy]

I imagine throws and some other moves might look odd with it.

Hmmm it had those boxing gloves in NSMBU didn't it? Probably have lots of attachments and gizmos...

EDIT: beaten like the Pyrosphere boss character, Ridley.

 

[Kyzon]

Clown car recently got boxing gloves so... just use the boxing gloves for grabbing and throws.

I'd actually rather Clown Car as an item. You can drive it around for a short time. Maybe even Lakitu's cloud.

 

[Starphoenix]

It could just hover slightly off the ground but have a ton of extra jumps like Kirby/Jigglypuff do, or a 'float' mechanic similar to Peach. I don't think it's that hard a concept to work in, especially as a ton of different fighting games are able to work in mechs alongside humanoid fighters and have it 'work'.

That's true. After reading the 'leak' describing some of it's moves, it's definitely a Tron Bonne style character if true.

Here's the thread detailing all of the various leaks over on SB that have been woven together: http://smashboards.com/threads/the-ninka-foul-mouth-gematsu-johnknight1-compilation-theory.362684/

 

[Hatchtag]

That's true. After reading the 'leak' describing some of it's moves, it's definitely a Tron Bonne style character if true.

Here's the thread detailing all of the various leaks over on SB that have been woven together: http://smashboards.com/threads/the-ninka-foul-mouth-gematsu-johnknight1-compilation-theory.362684/

eww, i had to log into smashboards to view that >.>

 

[Ryce]

That's true. After reading the 'leak' describing some of it's moves, it's definitely a Tron Bonne style character if true.

Shun, the guy who posted those alternate color mods, is the only person from that "leak" who I'd even remotely trust. Which parts of the leak came from him?

 

[IntelliHeath]

I know it's Duck Hunt Dog, but I really don't want to beat up on a dog...

but he laughed at your failures, so you have a reason to beat him up

 

[OricWindstar]

I know it's Duck Hunt Dog, but I really don't want to beat up on a dog...

Children are okay, though?

 

[Kyzon]

I know it's Duck Hunt Dog, but I really don't want to beat up on a dog...

But a falcon, wolf, fox, turtle, and the elderly (ganondorf) are ok?

 

[Tripon]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...25-The-Sexual-Awakening-of-Ness-in-EarthBound

Yes, once we dig around under the surface, it becomes clear: EarthBound is a game about sexual awakening, and about the realization of the masculine ideal. And that's with the barest minimum amount of over-thinking.

Wut.

 

[JazzmanZ]

If that koopaling thing is true, i'm going to hunt down the guy who asked Sakurai last year in a E3 interview why he suggested them over Chibi-robo or Hades and haunt him forever.

 

[Ozium]

WE GETTING SNAKE TONIGHT

Spoiler

as a third party character trophy

Don't fail me Samurai

 

[DrStiles]

Children are okay, though?

 

[Hero Prinny]

I'd so be down for bowser Jr if he isn't a clone. Ive enjoyed him ever since his introduction in sunshine. I do admit that he hasn't been well used since his introduction tho. Plus he's been playing second fiddle ever since the resurrection of the koopalings

 

[Finale Fireworker]

That's true. After reading the 'leak' describing some of it's moves, it's definitely a Tron Bonne style character if true.

Here's the thread detailing all of the various leaks over on SB that have been woven together: http://smashboards.com/threads/the-ninka-foul-mouth-gematsu-johnknight1-compilation-theory.362684/

I read that whole thing and it all sounds SO stupid. Like, not in my loftiest dreams would I imagine a roster with that many weird choices, both additions and cuts. This feels to me like people building off of each other. Leakers love to do that - they take somebody's crazy leak and make their own that compliments it to give both leaks credibility.

 

[Berordn]

I'd so be down for bowser Jr if he isn't a clone. Ive enjoyed him ever since his introduction in sunshine. I do admit that he hasn't been well used since his introduction tho. Plus he's been playing second fiddle ever since the resurrection of the koopalings

It's only fair, he stole their thunder with a much less interesting design. Payback's a bitch.

I actually do think Jr. has enough unique stuff in his kit that he'd make a decent enough character, so I wouldn't be outright opposed to him.

 

[Starphoenix]

Shun, the guy who posted those alternate color mods, is the only person from that "leak" who I'd even remotely trust. Which parts of the leak came from him?

From what I understand, this is everything from Shun that was originally being posted through one of the moderators, until Shun decided to let everyone know he was that moderator's source of information. He was the first one to bring up DHD and Bowser Jr. Here are the transcripts:

Hey team, just thought I'd let you know something that may interest you all. A friend of mine recently found out that a friend of his from college is currently a beta and bug tester for Sm4sh! While he has revealed that he is in fact aware of the roster he fears that his job would be compromised by giving us large details so he has essentially dropped a couple of details to us that are small but none the less interesting

Keep in mind that I got my information about a week before the direct so some stuff has since been proven, I just didn't wanna talk about it until I got more substantial info/proof.

-Roster is allegedly in his words going to be "The most beloved in the series to date" With him saying that there are some very unexpected surprises in store (Me and my friend speculate he is referring to the Chorus Men as well as Greninja)

-Lot's of nintendo fanservice from series that have previously gotten little representation (was not specific as to what the representation was)

-The game has been the most enjoyable in the series thus far gameplay wise (According to my friend, our source is a hard core melee guy, and hated design choices present in brawl, leading me to believe that the game leans more towards melee then brawl)

-Costume colors have been completely redone axing some colors that have been present since N64. While no examples were given, his exact words were "There's some CRAZY stuff. Super tasteful, as usual."

While I'm confident in this source, take it with a grain of salt, I know it's not that interesting of stuff, but it get's me pretty hyped.Oh and out of courtesy of my source, I'd rather that these observations and quotes do not leave this thread, and that if they do, at least credit me anonymously to keep from anyone getting fired and such! Thanks a lot all, and I hope you might enjoy these tidbits

Post 2
Little bit of info for you guys, according to my source, Charizard and Mario specifically will be getting some new costumes, with Mario's Blue team costume being replaced with something "Much more team friendly". He also stated that The outlines are hard to get used to on the 3DS but once you do, they work wonders, but didn't mention how team colors work on console.

So I got more info...
Unless my friend is pulling my leg, there's some pretty crazy crap left to be revealed.

-Snake, Lucas, Ice Climbers (Why), and Wolf are cut
-Doctor Mario is back as a clone
-Dark Pit is a newcomer as a clone
-Each character gets 8 alternate costumes, whether they be pallet swaps or new costumes.
-Alph appears as 4 of Olimar's costumes, while the other 4 are Olimar's.
-Shulk will be playable with Gaur Plains as his stage, his neutral B changes his Monado mode which essentially makes him dish more damage and take more, or do less damage, and take less.
-Bowser Jr appears as a new comer and allegedly fights from a mario kart... has no alt colors, but instead has the 7 koopalings as alts.
-Duck Hunt is in... from what I've been told it's the duck hunt dog fighting with ducks on his back who assist for certain attacks...

*Edit more info
-Shulk has like 5 different mode swaps
-Bowser Jr rides in a koopa kart that attacks with cannon balls and boxing gloves and stuff that eject from the clowns mouth.

note* The kart sounds more like the koopa clown car to me as I read it.

Now I'm not even sure from this stuff so take it with a grain of salt, but my friend recently quit as a tester due to family reasons, so if he decided he no longer cares what leaks, I could see why he'd tell me.
He was also unclear to me as to if that is the rest of the roster so also be wary.

'Sup leaked thread gang. Just thought I'd actually post myself for once. Ninka_kiwi has been getting his info from me. But don't misunderstand, I never worked on Smash myself. A friend of mine did and Ninka was posting info here because he figured you wanted to know.

I'm only posting myself now because the latest info I never intended to be posted here, but I hadn't told Ninka that upfront (so it's not his fault). Why you ask? Out of respect for my friend who gave me the info and because I didn't want to ruin all the speculation.And partly because I don't believe it all myself.

If you're asking for e-mails,( of which, do not exist) logs, or me to ask my friend any questions, not happening I'm afraid. I don't ask my friend about Smash 4 as an agreement between us. He normally didn't answer my questions anyway, so any info I received he gave to me on his own discretion.

To clarify, my friend worked for NoA as a Product tester. During the time he was employed, he made sure he didn't actually tell me anything important. The recolor details he shared because he and I are design nuts and just like talking about that sort of thing. I was surprised when he told me the info about the roster, because I did not ask him about it. He was struggling to remember all the characters and told me "It's hard trying to figure out who's missing. It's a pretty big cast".

Consider this stuff a "thanks for sticking up for me" even though you're basically risking your own neck in the event I'm some malicious guy just out to cause havoc. Hope this all helps you out with your info scanning and trying to find out if any of these "leaks" are actually true or not.

For what it's worth, I don't think my friend had the whole picture.

 

[Cody_D165]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...25-The-Sexual-Awakening-of-Ness-in-EarthBound



Wut.

the fuck

 

[Hero Prinny]

It's only fair, he stole their thunder with a much less interesting design. Payback's a bitch.

I actually do think Jr. has enough unique stuff in his kit that he'd make a decent enough character, so I wouldn't be outright opposed to him.

His design is dull I'll give you that but at least he had some motive for his actions. If memory serves right he kidnaps peach because he wanted a mother. Bowser and the koopalings just do it for the lolz. Koopalings do look cooler but they're just meh imo. If we do get 1 more Mario character I hope its Jr

 

[ffdgh]

From what I understand, this is everything from Shun that was originally being posted through one of the moderators, until Shun decided to let everyone know he was that moderator's source of information. He was the first one to bring up DHD and Bowser Jr. Here are the transcripts:

Iceclimbers are cut yet have smash run enemies.

Yeah.....grain of salt mode engaged.

 

[Ceravic]

I really hope that leak is fake. All the awesome in there won't make up for Lucas getting cut.

 

[Tripon]

"My friend didn't want to tell me important info."

Who then proceeds to tell of multiple cuts and additions to the cast.

 

[Gonzo The Great]

Why would they cut the Ice Climbers when Rosalina and Luma are just as complex? OMG THE 3DS IS TOO WEAK! I want Sakurai to just reveal the whole damn roster already so these leaks stop.

 

[alecfa]

I'd so be down for bowser Jr if he isn't a clone. Ive enjoyed him ever since his introduction in sunshine.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Ice Climbers have been split up in to nana and popo slots

 

[Kyzon]

That's baby bowser

 

[oreomunsta]

Snake, Lucas, Ice Climbers (Why), and Wolf are cut

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Spoiler

...If true

 

[Ryce]

From what I understand, this is everything from Shun that was originally being posted through one of the moderators, until Shun decided to let everyone know he was that moderator's source of information. He was the first one to bring up DHD and Bowser Jr. Here are the transcripts:

-Snake, Lucas, Ice Climbers (Why), and Wolf are cut
-Doctor Mario is back as a clone
-Alph appears as 4 of Olimar's costumes, while the other 4 are Olimar's.

Ah, so it's definitely fake. That's a shame.

 

[Cody_D165]

lol someone on Reddit has begun the summoning

 

[Sponge]

Homing attack, and a few of his sonic battle fighting moves are present in his moveset.

He emulates all of Sonic... but mostly spins.




It's one of his taunts

Protip: If you do Squirtle's uptaunt in PM, then press B right as he touches the ground, Squirtle will wear the glasses until the next time he is attacked.

Also while we're on the subject my favorite added taunt in PM is the ability to make Captain Falcon yell "YESZ!" mid-knee by pressing taunt at the moment of impact.

That's awesome, I had no idea! I haven't been able to play Project M because I lost my Wii and Brawl back when my house burned down. I need to buy back Brawl or install this on my PC or something.