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[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Israel wants more land to build more settlements, their only obstacles are the Palestinians who happen to live there before Israel was even on the map, is the best way to deal with problem is to kick Palestinian out of their land or in Gaza situation out of existence.

It's also an overwhelming show of force to send a message. One thing that is lost in a lot of discussion about the conflict, is that Israel is the target of constant antagonistic rhetoric and threats, which they take very seriously. This is a message for any country or organization that tries to make good on their threats.

 

[Chumly]

Who are the ones not respecting the cease fires again?

Israel, they started the war and are the invading force

 

[gutter_trash]

Of course none will give a fuck its some arab unknown country that the US and others will gain nothing from helping them.
I blame the cowards Arabian Leaders and i am arabian those corrupt governments don't care about their brothers being killed everyday they are muslims by name only but at the core they are worst than Isreal.

US: ''they do they have oil?, nope.... forget about it..''

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Of course none will give a fuck its some arab unknown country that the US and others will gain nothing from helping them.
I blame the cowards Arabian Leaders and i am arabian those corrupt governments don't care about their brothers being killed everyday they are muslims by name only but at the core they are worst than Isreal.

What can Arab countries do against a nuclear 1st world supported country? The only thing they can do us follow Iran and own nuclear weapons do their demands might have some weight.

 

[Mesousa]

Of course none will give a fuck its some arab unknown country that the US and others will gain nothing from helping them.
I blame the cowards Arabian Leaders and i am arabian those corrupt governments don't care about their brothers being killed everyday they are muslims by name only but at the core they are worst than Isreal.

Why are they their brothers?

Because they are Muslim or because they are ARAB?

I dunno man...it seems people(arab countries) only want to pull the ummah card when Arabs are getting it. This "Ummah" does not seem to exist at all when it is non Arab muslims getting it.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Despicable.

The UN need to start working towards economic sanctions against Israel, this is simply unacceptable behavior and shouldn't be condoned or tolerated.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

It's also an overwhelming show of force to send a message. One thing that is lost in a lot of discussion about the conflict, is that Israel is the target of constant antagonistic rhetoric and threats, which they take very seriously. This is a message for any country or organization that tries to make good on their threats.

An international armed force will insure both parties safety, Israel is irresponsible with two things 1. military power is over used on civilian targets and two they continues refusal to stop building settlements as ordered by the international community.

International forces are needed there Israel on its own is insufficient and incapable of controlling its power

 

[TheRealTalker]

Why are they their brothers?

Because they are Muslim or because they are ARAB?

I dunno man...it seems people(arab countries) only want to pull the ummah card when Arabs are getting it. This "Ummah" does not seem to exist at all when it is non Arab muslims getting it.

ummah is all races

sadly politics and interests get in the way

 

[Haloid1177]

Israel, they started the war and are the invading force

So they started firing rockets first? And they attack first when a cease fire is declared, or after Hamas does some stupid shit?

Israel is doing some awful shit over there but we can't act like it's all unprovoked. Not justifying how they're waging the war, just why it started.

 

[Messofanego]

Of course none will give a fuck its some arab unknown country that the US and others will gain nothing from helping them.
I blame the cowards Arabian Leaders and i am arabian those corrupt governments don't care about their brothers being killed everyday they are muslims by name only but at the core they are worst than Isreal.

 

[AllIsOneIsNone]

Israel is doing exactly what Hitler did to the jews before. I hope this ends soon

I'm pretty sure there's a difference. They're more doing what America did to the middle east after 9/11.

 

[Mesousa]

ummah is all races

sadly politics and interests get in the way

Of course it just means community, but we all know it isn't that.

I don't want to be THAT guy, but it seems like some in the ummah have more value than others.

The prophet said " an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab", but it isn't followed. Especially when you notice, and any muslim can see, the VAST difference the reaction is to any slight towards Arab muslims compared to Muslims of different ethnic groups.

 

[Ingueferroque]

So they started firing rockets first? And they attack first when a cease fire is declared, or after Hamas does some stupid shit?

Israel is doing some awful shit over there but we can't act like it's all unprovoked. Not justifying how they're waging the war, just why it started.

That doesn't even matter at this point. A people are being massacred.. hospitals, schools, homes are being bombed. Kids are being shelled on the beach, their only power station has been taken out. Thousands have died in the span of a few weeks.

Why do some come in here and say the same thing over, the human shield rhetoric, the 'x didnt start first' rhetoric... why does that matter with the situation at hand?

It reminds me of all the atrocities that happen(ed) in Iraq and Afghanistan, over and over.. meanwhile they just kept on repeating "but they have WMD's! But Osama Bin Laden!"

It is beyond ridiculous, and I hope people are finally starting to see how the PR machine works.

 

[TheRealTalker]

Of course it just means community, but we all know it isn't that.

I don't want to be THAT guy, but it seems like some in the ummah have more value than others.

The prophet said " an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab", but it isn't followed. Especially when you notice, and any muslim can see, the VAST difference the reaction is to any slight towards Arab muslims compared to Muslims of different ethnic groups.

there was outrage from Arab states when Burmese muslims where getting killed


but yes if there isn't any benefit usually nothing is done... people value their business relations more then their morality


America isn't helping... multiple countries will abstain as well

 

[Haloid1177]

That doesn't even matter at this point. A people are being massacred.. hospitals, schools, homes are being bombed. Kids are being shelled on the beach, their only power station has been taken out. Thousands have died in the span of a few weeks.

Why do some come in here and say the same thing over, the human shield rhetoric, the 'x didnt start first' rhetoric... why does that matter with the situation at hand?

It reminds me of all the atrocities that happen(ed) in Iraq and Afghanistan, over and over.. meanwhile they just kept on repeating "but they have WMD's! But Osama Bin Laden!"

It is beyond ridiculous, and I hope people are finally starting to see how the PR machine works.

I don't see it as ridiculous though, to a degree.

Yes, Israel should be facing sanctions after this. But acting like Hamas can't stop this shit is pretty ridiculous as well.

 

[Dash27]

Not sure if this was posted yet:

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts...y_israel_is_so_freaked_out_about_gaza_tunnels

To understand why these tunnels have become such a hot-button issue, one need look no further than a video released by Hamas by Tuesday, July 29. That video shows a group of fighters exiting such a tunnel and attacking an Israeli military installation. They appear to kill at least one Israeli soldier, though the combat footage is chaotic and not entirely clear. The fighters also make off with an X95 rifle, a sophisticated machine gun used by the Israel Defense Forces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NAhozItSq0#t=120

 

[thehypocrite]

Only an idiot cares about who started what and who did what to whom. Why so much fixation on vengeance and getting even. Such a primitive thought, such a primitive mind of keyboard warriors. This shit is wrong and needs to stop.


Maybe I should stop posting here, the stupid diatribe of who did what and who started it is playground discourse that's irrelevant to the point that this needs to stop. We need to stop killing people. The conflict needs to stop. We should not be picking sides, we need to push for a stop in the hostilities and then we can start talking to the reparations that are owed to the Palestinians.

 

[Ingueferroque]

I don't see it as ridiculous though, to a degree.

Yes, Israel should be facing sanctions after this. But acting like Hamas can't stop this shit is pretty ridiculous as well.

Is it? I doubt Israel cares about what Hamas wants or thinks, don't the facts align with this? Right now all Hamas seems to them is an excuse to wipe out a people and claim land that they want for religious reasons.

Only an idiot cares about who started what and who did what to whom. Why so much fixation on vengeance and getting even. Such a primitive thought, such a primitive mind of keyboard warriors. This shit is wrong and needs to stop.


Maybe I should stop posting here, the stupid diatribe of who did what and who started it is playground discourse that's irrelevant to the point that this needs to stop. We need to stop killing people. The conflict needs to stop. We should not be picking sides, we need to push for a stop in the hostilities and then we can start talking to the reparations that are owed to the Palestinians.

Agreed, its like someone has been raped.. there are always those who can only respond with "she deserved it!". Except if that happened on this forum they would be banned.

Not sure if this was posted yet:

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts...y_israel_is_so_freaked_out_about_gaza_tunnels



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NAhozItSq0#t=120

It's one thing to raid a military base.. its another to raid civilians.

I'm not up-to-date on the history and current political climate, all I see is civilians and innocent children being murdered.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

UN needs to stop using civilians as human shields

 

[jimbobsmells]

I don't see it as ridiculous though, to a degree.

Yes, Israel should be facing sanctions after this. But acting like Hamas can't stop this shit is pretty ridiculous as well.

Sanctions?
Facing trials for war crimes more like.

 

[genjiZERO]

These IDF terrorists need to be stopped.

 

[Wickerbasket]

Pretty disgusting.

Once might be an accident, but they're hitting civilian targets all over the place.

 

[danwarb]

I don't see it as ridiculous though, to a degree.

Yes, Israel should be facing sanctions after this. But acting like Hamas can't stop this shit is pretty ridiculous as well.

Hamas are weak and easily played, they were headed in the right direction. The current Israeli government wants this conflict.

 

[Dash27]

Only an idiot cares about who started what and who did what to whom. Why so much fixation on vengeance and getting even. Such a primitive thought, such a primitive mind of keyboard warriors. This shit is wrong and needs to stop.


Maybe I should stop posting here, the stupid diatribe of who did what and who started it is playground discourse that's irrelevant to the point that this needs to stop. We need to stop killing people. The conflict needs to stop. We should not be picking sides, we need to push for a stop in the hostilities and then we can start talking to the reparations that are owed to the Palestinians.

I dont think it's about vengeance and getting even. It's a land war and each side want's what it feels it deserves. The problem is that once any progress is made, the hard line radicals move to stop it. I'll bring up yet again Hamas starting a suicide bombing campaign after the Oslo accords in which both sides made the huge step at recognizing each other as legitimate.

 

[Haloid1177]

Is it? I doubt Israel cares about what Hamas wants or thinks, don't the facts align with this? Right now all Hamas seems to them is an excuse to wipe out a people and claim land that they want for religious reasons.

I think it is. If Hamas really wanted this shit to be done, a deal could be brokered to save their people. The problem I see, and I'm sure GAF will jump my ass, is that even if the two decide on a peace deal, will it last? And I feel pretty confident in saying Israel won't be the one to break the deal first.

Hamas needs to save its people, Israel needs some sort of guarantee they'll stop attacking them if an actual peace deal it brokered. I think getting reparations will be a bitch but I'm sure with enough pressure Israel would relent. The problem I see is any of this lasting. Even if it stops, Hamas will just start this shit again.

I'm not defending Israel, but on GAF it seems like no blame is being placed on Hamas at all. You don't see any of the leaders fighting Israel speaking out, you see the actual citizens. The citizens then should be stopping their people, right?

I'm not saying I'm right in any of this, just how I see it.

 

[Ingueferroque]

I dont think it's about vengeance and getting even. It's a land war and each side want's what it feels it deserves. The problem is that once any progress is made, the hard line radicals move to stop it. I'll bring up yet again Hamas starting a suicide bombing campaign after the Oslo accords in which both sides made the huge step at recognizing each other as legitimate.

You seem neutral!

I think it is. If Hamas really wanted this shit to be done, a deal could be brokered to save their people. The problem I see, and I'm sure GAF will jump my ass, is that even if the two decide on a peace deal, will it last? And I feel pretty confident in saying Israel won't be the one to break the deal first.

Hamas needs to save its people, Israel needs some sort of guarantee they'll stop attacking them if an actual peace deal it brokered. I think getting reparations will be a bitch but I'm sure with enough pressure Israel would relent. The problem I see is any of this lasting. Even if it stops, Hamas will just start this shit again.

I'm not defending Israel, but on GAF it seems like no blame is being placed on Hamas at all. You don't see any of the leaders fighting Israel speaking out, you see the actual citizens. The citizens then should be stopping their people, right?

I'm not saying I'm right in any of this, just how I see it.

Why does this have to be about blame?
This thread is about a UN shelter being bombed by Israel. Could you reply to that, then?

 

[Mesousa]

there was outrage from Arab states when Burmese muslims where getting killed


but yes if there isn't any benefit usually nothing is done... people value their business relations more then their morality


America isn't helping... multiple countries will abstain as well

But there was NONE when the Zaghawa were getting slaughtered in the Sudan. Literally it took southern Christians getting reported on by western Christians for it to become an issue, and even then they turned it into a religion crusade when muslim groups were also getting it bad. Not one peep, in fact arab leaders rallied around that slimeball Bashir
There is NONE for the current treatment of Asian and African brothers and sisters, mostly muslim, getting treated like second class citizens there today. In fact, it took a fucking game being granted to Qatar for most people(westerners) to really stand up and complain about what is mostly happening to Muslim brothers and sisters right under the nose of their supposed ummah bretheren,.

Yet these are the same groups trying to rally and shame the ummah into action when shit comes down on them, yet are very quiet when the shit is hitting the fans for the rest of the ummah....what kind of shit is that? What kind of unity is that suppose to bring?

Israel is fucked up here, but people need to stop acting like Arab nations should stand up for ISLAMIC BROTHERS with it now because they don't give a damn. They want to stand up for Arabs. Lets call the spade what it is.

 

[YaGaMi]

Terrorists at work.

 

[enewtabie]

Not sure if this was posted yet:

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts...y_israel_is_so_freaked_out_about_gaza_tunnels



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NAhozItSq0#t=120

Saw this last night,but didn't watch it. They were trying to drag the body off until a soldier scared them away. They ran back into the tunnel from what I understand. Watched a couple tunnels get detonated. Not sure what the engineers are using,but they collapse the entire network from beginning to end.

 

[excowboy]

Watching with despair as this conflict escalates and innocent lives are lost, I decided to write to my MP here in the UK the other day. Whilst it is outside his remit I wanted to put on record as his constituent my opposition to the violence in this conflict, and particularly the disproportionate use of force by the IDF.

It seems most posters in this thread are from the US, so I would suggest that if you are opposed to what's happening then write to your political representative at the very least. It may have little effect, but it seems like the least we can do is let the people who represent us know our opposition, and it will definitely be more effective than this thread (not wishing to diminish the debate herein, just making the point).

 

[Haloid1177]

Why does this have to be about blame?
This thread is about a UN shelter being bombed by Israel. Could you reply to that, then?

You're kidding, right?

Literally what the whole thread is about is blaming Israel for bombing a school. Which obviously they shouldn't have done and deserve whatever comes their way for it. But I'm on topic.

 

[BowieZ]

The video ends with the group chanting "Gaza is a cemetery" in a celebration of the fact that many Palestinians have been killed in the Israeli military's air and ground offensive on the Gaza Strip.

Meanwhile, 70 years ago...

 

[Lord Thrappleper The 49th]

I can't say I'm very knowledgeable about this whole Gaza scenario, but from what I can tell, it belongs to Palestine right? So Israel invading Gaza or at least blowing the shit out of it is a declaration of war to Palestine no? Has war been declared? Is Palestine even defending it's territory? And why is this anyone else's concern? If Israel and Palestine want to fight, nothing gonna stop them, might as well let them do it and help out the refugees who want nothing to do with the fighting.

 

[thehypocrite]

I dont think it's about vengeance and getting even. It's a land war and each side want's what it feels it deserves. The problem is that once any progress is made, the hard line radicals move to stop it. I'll bring up yet again Hamas starting a suicide bombing campaign after the Oslo accords in which both sides made the huge step at recognizing each other as legitimate.

I don't give a damn about that bullshit. The only thing I care about is a cease of hostilities. All this rhetoric crap belongs in a propaganda booklet for one of the sides that push for this conflict to happen because it benefits them in some way.

The conflict needs to stop. This ethnic cleansing needs to stop. We need to respect the values of lives that are being destroyed with this conflict. Nothing is worth that much. We need an agreement for a cease of hostilities and we need a commitment from these citizens. There would be friction but they need to stick with it. But it also needs to be fair and balanced to both parties. It needs to respect the human rights of all of them. None of them are entitled to trampled them as it has been done.

I'm disgusted.

 

[thehypocrite]

I can't say I'm very knowledgeable about this whole Gaza scenario, but from what I can tell, it belongs to Palestine right? So Israel invading Gaza or at least blowing the shit out of it is a declaration of war to Palestine no? Has war been declared? Is Palestine even defending it's territory? And why is this anyone else's concern? If Israel and Palestine want to fight, nothing gonna stop them, might as well let them do it and help out the refugees who want nothing to do with the fighting.

Then go fix that.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

I can't say I'm very knowledgeable about this whole Gaza scenario, but from what I can tell, it belongs to Palestine right? So Israel invading Gaza or at least blowing the shit out of it is a declaration of war to Palestine no? Has war been declared? Is Palestine even defending it's territory? And why is this anyone else's concern? If Israel and Palestine want to fight, nothing gonna stop them, might as well let them do it and help out the refugees who want nothing to do with the fighting.

Palestinain territories are not sovereign states. They are under military occupation by Isreal from land, sea and air. Isreal controls the flow of goods, operates military checkpoints in and around the Palestiain checkpoints. This isn't a war war between nations it is a resistance from occupation.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Question:

When Israel drops Leaflets and phonecalls etc to residents to flee because of air strikes incoming, does it also by proxy give warning to hamas members who are also residents of Gaza?

Israel knows the leaflets and warning is a sham for their PR

 

[freddy]

The EU and America are busy playing tough guy with Russia for supplying arms and support to Ukranian rebels. Meanwhile the US announces more funding to Israel who will kill more children tomorrow and the next day and the next after that. Fucking hypocrites..

 

[BowieZ]

Question:

When Israel drops Leaflets and phonecalls etc to residents to flee because of air strikes incoming, does it also by proxy give warning to hamas members who are also residents of Gaza?

Israel knows the leaflets and warning is a sham for their PR

Reminds me of the Nazis "humanely" spraying water into the crammed trains of Jews during the Holocaust. Although, they didn't even have PR to worry about back then.

 

[enewtabie]

Question:

When Israel drops Leaflets and phonecalls etc to residents to flee because of air strikes incoming, does it also by proxy give warning to hamas members who are also residents of Gaza?

Israel knows the leaflets and warning is a sham for their PR

Gives the location time,date and some other info. Yes Hamas would see the leaflets also.

 

[Dash27]

I don't give a damn about that bullshit. The only thing I care about is a cease of hostilities. All this rhetoric crap belongs in a propaganda booklet for one of the sides that push for this conflict to happen because it benefits them in some way.

The conflict needs to stop. This ethnic cleansing needs to stop. We need to respect the values of lives that are being destroyed with this conflict. Nothing is worth that much. We need an agreement for a cease of hostilities and we need a commitment from these citizens. There would be friction but they need to stick with it. But it also needs to be fair and balanced to both parties. It needs to respect the human rights of all of them. None of them are entitled to trampled them as it has been done.

I'm disgusted.

If you care about the hostilities you need to address the causes. They wont end until a peaceful resolution can be found. This is the most intractable problem in the middle east and that's saying something. We are finally now, after generations of this, getting to a point where it's possible to envision some sort of brokered long term solution. From the various peace talks to the roadmaps. Fatah agreeing to work towards peace to Israel pulling out of Gaza unilaterally. All good steps.

You still see the same cycle though. Tensions, a culminating event or series of events, arrests, murders, kidnapping, arms smuggling, rockets, and finally an IDF military action. Next is cease fire, and winding down. Meanwhile hundreds will have died.

But if you dont solve it, it will just happen again. And you wont have to wait very long.

 

[Ingueferroque]

You're kidding, right?

Literally what the whole thread is about is blaming Israel for bombing a school. Which obviously they shouldn't have done and deserve whatever comes their way for it. But I'm on topic.

Because... they have?

I have no political or regional connection to these people, but it physically hurts me when I see this injustice, sorrow, and unneeded death and destruction. It is pure misery.

You say that because of reason X or Y, this is all somehow expected or reasonable.

 

[Haloid1177]

Because... they have? You are talking about how that is somehow justified or reasonable.

Did you quote the wrong post of mine? Because I didn't say anything like that in that post.

It isn't justified, especially when it comes to schools and hospitals. The thread topic is obviously an atrocious act.

 

[Lord Thrappleper The 49th]

Then go fix that.

Strange, I thought I was by asking people who seem to care about the subject, not news websites that only care about their opinion in regards to the subject.

Palestinain territories are not sovereign states. They are under military occupation by Isreal from land, sea and air. Isreal controls the flow of goods, operates military checkpoints in and around the Palestiain checkpoints. This isn't a war war between nations it is a resistance from occupation.

So Israel are blowing up schools and whatnot to root out insurgents in a country they successfully invaded and occupy? Can't tell if that's a dick move, or a super dick move.

 

[bigmit3737]

Then go fix that.

That's a little rude.
He came in this thread to learn.
There is so much conflicting information comin from the media that I find it hard to know what the truth is.

 

[zeroOman]

That's a little rude.
He came in this thread to learn.
There is so much conflicting information comin from the media that I find it hard to know what the truth is.

He can start from here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=858478&page=110 he will find alot of info and scores of different ppl who can help himmm

 

[Zeeman]

Meanwhile, 70 years ago...

OK, seriously, what does one thing have to do with the other? Some Israelis chanted offensive and horrible things. 6,000,000 Jews were killed by Nazis. These things are not comparable and have no relation to each other.

Please don't appropriate a tragedy to say that "The Jews should know better" or something like that.

 

[collige]

So Israel are blowing up schools and whatnot to root out insurgents in a country they successfully invaded and occupy? Can't tell if that's a dick move, or a super dick move.

It's a bit more complicated since the insurgents in question (Hamas) are also the closest thing to an actual government Gaza has, but yeah that's the general gist. Israel claims they don't "occupy" Gaza anymore because they pulled out their troops and illegal settlements, but they still control the airspace, water access, and border. See this image.

 

[Mac_Lane]

It makes me so mad to see that Israel can get away with all that shit so easily.

 

[Deadbeat]

Not sure if this was posted yet:

Lol sophisticated. Its just a tavor. We could buy the regular variant in Canada for years now. That carbine should be hitting the market soon.