A spoiler is a plot significant element intentionally hidden until the movie is viewed. Thanos' presence as a character had been publicly announced and casted by Marvel. Gaffers can't be held responsible for what other members know about in a film. If someone knew nothing about GotG and planned on seeing it tomorrow, but I told them one of the main characters was a raccoon, should that constitute as a spoiler?
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A spoiler is a plot significant element intentionally hidden until the movie is viewed. Thanos' presence as a character had been publicly announced and casted by Marvel. Gaffers can't be held responsible for what other members know about in a film. If someone knew nothing about GotG and planned on seeing it tomorrow, but I told them one of the main characters was a raccoon, should that constitute as a spoiler?
HAHAHAHA Word! Human Torch easter egg.
metalslimer
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Exactly. I never thought things could get worse than the people whining about spoilers about characters and stages back during SSBB's build up but here we are.
Bobby Roberts
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Because it didn't. It wasn't a spoiler. Still isn't a spoiler. Marvel Studios announced it. Multiple times. It's information both the studio and the filmmakers consider safe for viewing audiences to have. They don't believe knowing that Josh Brolin is playing Thanos is detrimental to the storytelling contained within their film.
What's happening due to spoilerphobia is that the reaction "oh, I didn't know that" is slowly being morphed into "oh, you ruined it for me," when the two sit on two different points along that line.
Extra Sauce
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Once again, I don't give a shit what marketing people who are not part of the creative process want me to know. They almost always reveal too much.
Trailers are nice because I can choose to ignore them. With thread titles that reveal that a behind-the-scenes villain from several movies ago is returning (in what might be a scene designed to surprise the audience for all we know), I'm being robbed of that choice.
Ninja Scooter
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Some people have definitely swung too far to one side regarding spoilers. When you have to spoiler tag shit that is in trailers, or stuff that is on previews for tv shows, it's gotten a little crazy. I mean, if you want to go full blackout that's cool, but if that's the case stay off the internet and out of threads discussing said game/movie/tv show. I always found it ridiculous that you can go into a thread for a movie that's been out 3-4 days already and is like 20 pages deep and people are still having to spoiler tag plot discussion. At that point just stay out of the thread until you've seen the movie.
BronsonLee
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That's some hand-wave bullshit, though. It got officially released by Marvel, it's fair goddamn game. Just because you want to remove yourself means nothing.
And where were you when they announced Brolin was A: Thanos and B: In the goddamn movie?! Did you get robbed a couple months ago and just notice now?
Extra Sauce
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Well said.
Then that's your choice. We serve no obligation to you and what you personally want to know about a film.
I didn't know that he was in the film until I clicked my bookmark a few moments ago.
That doesn't make any sense.
It's your choice to come to a forum where you know the movie will be heavily discussed and you could possibly get "spoiled."
Protecting your surprise is not our responsibility.
If it was the eve of a release for something I was on a media blackout for I would flat out avoid most of the internet.
pants
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I dont think anyone cares that people discuss it in this thread, I do think people care that they were robbed of the choice of knowing more by having it right in the thread title. I dont think a little common courtesy is too much to ask for. Again, this didnt spoil anything for me, but why must the rest of us be assholes?
You have learned the hard way to avoid public forums to avoid public information.
A Serious Man
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There's a GotG movie!?
Bobby Roberts
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Then that's a "you" thing, not a "them" thing. The definition of what a "spoiler" is doesn't change based on that. If you recognize that your standards for "purity" regarding your first viewing of a film are higher than the filmmakers' are, then you have to adjust your behavior accordingly, because that's a thing that's actually in your power to control.
Thanos being in the film isn't a spoiler.
Crunched said:
That's a more straightforward way of saying it, yeah
BronsonLee
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In comicsVision is built from the remains of the Original Human Torch by Ultron
...The flying fuck, goddamnit Slayven
Tell that to the people telling the OP to fuck off. The spoiler contingent claim it was civil, this is patently false.
metalslimer
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I don't even know why this is a discussion anymore because the mods specifically said this was ok, but you over the top spoiler people are going to have to get over it or just stay off the internet. I'm sorry that your enjoyment of the movie has been hampered.
Don't even get me started on how bad it's gotten there specifically.
Don't even get me started on how bad it's gotten there specifically.
You still aren't making much sense. Go make an OP about it?
Hey, spoilers, you fuck.
Cornballer
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Minor derail here, but I did want to answer this quickly:
Yes, the discussion of the promo/preview material should be under spoilers tags in TV-GAF.
Sure, I can understand that view, and you bring up a good point that this is all subjective and different people have very different standards. The way the spoiler guidelines are constructed in TV-GAF is an attempt to leave discussion inclusive and open to as many people as possible. Anyone that wants to talk about the promos or other spoilers is welcome to do so provided they deal with the (minor) hassle of throwing some spoiler tags on it. That way, people that don't want to read them don't have to. Overall, it boils down to being reasonable and considerate towards your fellow posters in the face of everyone having different standards when it comes to spoilers. That goes for people not spoiling things as well as not screaming bloody murder if you see something that upsets you.
We aren't. This is public, marketed information about the movie. If we put Thanos discussion in a spoiler thread, those that knew about the character and want to discuss him are now talking in the same thread as those that are dealing with actual plot spoilers from the movie.
First shot of Cersei in Games of Thrones Season 5 wouldn't be acceptable as a thread title?
I can't even imagine the shitstorm someone would be in by posting GOT spoilers.
But according to others, if it's public info, it's fine.
Well the Game of Thrones books have been public a while now... guess it's fair game to spoil at will?
What would be your comparison in Game of Thrones for this?
Thanos appearing in a movie and a character dying are two drastically different things.
DrGonzo615
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Thanks for spoiling it asshole
Exterminieren
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If somebody had made a thread saying that Oberyn's brother had been cast for the next season and somebody blundered in screaming about spoilers, they'd still be in the wrong.
The presence of a character with no further context simply is not a spoiler, particularly when it's announced months in advance.
BronsonLee
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People can't post Game of Thrones casting news? Really?
Annnnd add another one to the totally civil spoiler brigade
Guys. There's literally no context. It's casting news and a small screencap. Beyond that, you don't know a thing. And I'm honestly getting really fucking tired of debating this.
Bobby Roberts
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Depends on what shit we're talking about with Game of Thrones.
If HBO announced that a specific character was going to be in the show, and they'd cast a specific actor to play that character - that character's existence and look is not a spoiler.
What's muddier is the recent situation where an actress announced the fact she WON'T be in Game of Thrones. That one was sorta sticky.
What I've appreciated about the threads Cornballer rides herd on is that the rules are clearly established, and they make sense when explained, and were created as he said, to ensure that discussion of the work is maximized. It's very much appreciated.
metalslimer
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Go ahead and try.
Casting choices are flagged as spoilers in those threads last time I looked.
The fuck? Cersei is alive in Season 5? I was sure she was killed by Tyrion offscreen. Thanks a lot marrec!
Ultimately it's much of a non issue, but I've seen people banned for spoilers in the past.
Just to be crystal clear, you can make a thread title about anything regardless of spoilers? For instance "First look at Jack Bauer's Death in 24" or "First look at Unrivaled Character X in Game of Thrones", that would be acceptable?
It depends. What information about Thanos' story did you learn from the thread title?
But if the title of the thread was "SPOILER CHARACTER'S first look in GOTG", how can anyone know what the thread is talking about? SPOILER CHARACTER, in this case, COULD mean Thanos, who's been announced to be in the film for a year now, but what if it actually meant Iron Man? Maybe it's a surprise that Iron Man is in GOTG and that WOULD be an actual spoiler. Thanos has been a known entity, just like how we knew Rhino, Electro & Green Goblin were a part of Amazing Spider-Man 2 and those didn't have to be kept a secret in thread titles
Again, there are actual spoilers that a thread title could spoil (something like "Screens of Thanos killing Starlord in GOTG"), but "First look at Thanos" is in no way, shape or form a spoiler, in ANY of its definitions, unless you're one of those completely unreasonable people who think they are completely spoiled by even the smallest info about a movie.
Nothing was spoiled.
Except possibly what he looks like and spoiler he looks like Thanos
pants
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Yeah they aren't being courteous, but you know what, when about 20 people expressed that they had an issue with this, the decent thing to do would have been to take the 'spoiler' out of the thread title to avoid ruining it for the next 20, instead of being butt-holes about this and saying 'WHAT YOU DONT LIKE IT? HERE HAVE IT IN THE TITLE!' That's childish as fuck,would you not agree?
It does nothing to us who already know to not have it in there, but it diminishes some people who didn't know/didn't want to know's enjoyment of the film, so why do we need to stand fast and force people to know what we know?
I don't blame the OP, he would never have known what other people do not know, i'm just very disappointed by the reaction of the people who knew (after they found out people didnt want to know and then just ignored their protests)
With long running TV shows that are based on long running books it makes sense to be a bit more careful about introducing completely new characters to the TV continuity in a thread title.
Benderbict First Shot in Game of Thrones! for example wouldn't be acceptable as a thread title. (For those sensitive, there is not character in ASOIF called Benderbict)
However, Thanos has already been introduced to the MCU in very dramatic and public fashion. So I'm not seeing a parallel here unless someone wants to claim that a recurring villain in GOT cannot be spoiled in a thread title. Not that it would be because there are huge dedicated thread/communities to GOT so it would likely just be posted there.
BronsonLee
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Then take it up with the mods and admins who have changed the title multiple times, not us. I have no sympathy for anyone here.
metalslimer
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He's saying use some common sense to decide. Both of those would be unacceptable. And considering Thanos was already revealed to be in the movie, the last one holds no comparison.And the fact that he was revealed in a huge public convention should not place the OP in trouble for not thinking twice about posting this thread.
I learned that Thanos is involved in the film's plot, which previously I was unaware of.
My titles would not be considered unacceptable if that is the benchmark you are using.
Exterminieren
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How do you figure? People have been talking about actors cast in the non-spoiler thread without censure. People have been spoiler tagging specifics just to be safe, but there's no rule about it.
Game of Thrones is slightly different due to the whole paranoia about book spoilers (which is a whole other can of worms), but I feel fairly confident that I could say JONATHAN PRYCE IS PLAYING THE HIGH SPARROW without the mods falling on me.
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