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[JoeInky]

KO punch is easy to come up with alternates for anyway:

KO Punch - Moves horizontally, high knockback, super armour, meter resets upon death and if you store it too long
KO Uppercut - Moves vertically, everything else is the same
Storage Punch - Moves horizontally, half knockback, no super armour, meter charges quicker and never resets - even if you die.


Easy, the last one is a bit shit, but it's a way of changing the move up a bit more.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Captain Falcon and Ganondorf should be good in SSB4, hopefully. They were so damn bad in Brawl that they need to make up to us somehow.

But at what cost? Marth's grab isn't longer than Yoshi's anymore!

 

[Ahnez]

Captain Falcon and Ganondorf should be good in SSB4, hopefully. They were so damn bad in Brawl that they need to make up to us somehow.

So Link and Samus should be Meta Knight tier to make up for being bad in all 3 games

 

[Neoriceisgood]

KO uppercut doesn't need alternatives, the alternatives will be for the regular charge punch mac has as his non-KO B.

 

[Anura]

But at what cost? Marth's grab isn't longer than Yoshi's anymore!

This needs to be fixed Sakurai! Get on this

 

[JoeInky]

Little Mac could get what are basically pokemon elemental punch variations.

 

[Dr. Buni]

What, you mean you DON'T want this?

This is ridiculous. "best game in the series" my ass.

 

[JoeInky]

This is ridiculous. "best game in the series" my ass.

Let's all have a look at some of Brawl's hitboxes shall we? Snake's maybe?

 

[georly]

Little Mac could get what are basically pokemon elemental punch variations.

DK's Side smash special is just slower w/ super armor, right? Little mac's moves could get similar changes.

Changes can be as simple as tweaking the speed/damage ratio. They can also add elemental properties, like Ice or Fire. It can be whatever.

 

[SuperSah]

This is ridiculous. "best game in the series" my ass.

Brawl Snake wants a word with you.

Do they seriously not test hitboxes, I mean, come the fuck on, Snake was embarrasing.

 

[Anura]

This is ridiculous. "best game in the series" my ass.

Lol, I can post some fox gifs if you like. Or you know brawl IC.

 

[PsionBolt]

Seeing as how the KO meter is from Super Punch Out, I want that game's other special, the rapid-punch, as a custom option for the KO punch.

Working in stars somehow (like by landing his counter move, maybe) as another option would be nice too, but I guess that's probably too significant of a change.

 

[Anura]

Brawl Snake wants a word with you.

Do they seriously not test hitboxes, I mean, come the fuck on, Snake was embarrasing.

I swear they must have tried to make snakes up tilt as long as possible but just short enough to feel like it's kinda attached to his feet

 

[JoeInky]

 

[georly]

Brawl Snake wants a word with you.

Do they seriously not test hitboxes, I mean, come the fuck on, Snake was embarrasing.

I'm sure sakurai thought his hitboxes were 'fun'

That and some of them probably slipped by due to last minute dev crunches. Snake's hitboxes are a perfect example of something needing patching after launch, I think.

 

[Beelzebufo]

This is ridiculous. "best game in the series" my ass.

At least, unlike Marth, we don't have to see Snake's up tilt range get nerfed in Smash for WiiU/3DS

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because he won't be in the game anyway

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[Ahnez]

Little Mac could get what are basically pokemon elemental punch variations.

Good thing Ivysaur is (probably) out then..

Taking extra fire damage even from a boxer is sad

 

[emb]

I'm sure sakurai thought his hitboxes were 'fun'

That and some of them probably slipped by due to last minute dev crunches. Snake's hitboxes are a perfect example of something needing patching after launch, I think.

Well I mean, they kinda were fun. Ridiculous doesn't necessarily equate to bad, in my opinion.

 

[DaBoss]

I've read somewhere that Snake was originally taller.

 

[Anura]

I wanna just mention that Brawl Marth's up smash can stage spike someone when they're on the ledge. Think about that for a sec...

 

[JoeInky]

Well I mean, they kinda were fun. Ridiculous doesn't necessarily equate to bad, in my opinion.

Yeah this, them looking weird doesn't necessarily equate to it being a bad idea, I mean, it certainly is in snakes case but some of the weirder hitboxes are probably just part of the balance to make the move a bit better.

It's just that until now there was no real visualisation of the hitboxes like the slash effects we have now so it looks weird.

 

[Green Mamba]

I've read somewhere that Snake was originally taller.

That doesn't really explain his up tilt though, as there is no forward movement at all in the move. Snake just sticks his leg straight up.

 

[nns3d]

What, you mean you DON'T want this?

lmao oh wow

I had no idea he had that much range on his grab.

 

[georly]

That doesn't really explain his up tilt though, as there is no forward movement at all in the move. Snake just sticks his leg straight up.

Maybe it didn't when they may the hitbox? Maybe it made an arcing motion and then they forgot to fix the hitbox? Kinda like how captain falcon kicks lucina's sword out of the way.

 

[Exotoro]

That doesn't really explain his up tilt though, as there is no forward movement at all in the move. Snake just sticks his leg straight up.

maybe he was going to be really tall

 

[PadWarrior]

I've read somewhere that Snake was originally taller.

Lol for real?

 

[OricWindstar]

Just timed it in the video, it's about 12 seconds from full growth to wilting.

Oh wow, that's really interesting. Thanks!

 

[Green Mamba]

Anyway, I'm really glad Sakurai's decided to ramp up stage reveals, makes up for those months of stage droughts. Feeling a lot better about stage amounts in both versions now than I did a few weeks ago. Still wish he spread out the franchise reveals more though. The 3DS version has four Mario stages, two Zelda stages, and two Pokemon stages revealed, but no new Kirby, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, Yoshi, etc. yet.

 

[Nanashrew]

I thought these were pretty neat:



Source

I really think Nintendo should team up with Insert Coin like Sega does so we can get jerseys like this.

 

[Ahnez]

Its funny how all 3 Snake taunts are the same

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Good thing there are the codec dialogues

 

[Troubled Bat]

Its funny how all 3 Snake taunts are the same

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Good thing there are the codec dialogues

They aren't the same, he pulls the box out from different spots.

 

[Ahnez]

They aren't the same, he pulls the box out from different spots.

Wait, really?

 

[Troubled Bat]

Wait, really?

Yes. Haha. XP

 

[Hatchtag]

Can I just mention how much I fucking love the new warpstar sound effect? Easily my favorite sound in Smash 4. It just sounds so...right.

 

[Berordn]

Can I just mention how much I fucking love the new warpstar sound effect? Easily my favorite sound in Smash 4. It just sounds so...right.

I'm honestly surprised it's gone as long as it has with Sakurai at the helm. Seems like something he'd have personal feelings about.

 

[SuperSah]

Can I just mention how much I fucking love the new warpstar sound effect? Easily my favorite sound in Smash 4. It just sounds so...right.

I love the Pokeball opening sound and Little Mac punch sounds.

 

[Freezie KO]

On the subject of items, I'm thinking about the only item that I actually hate when playing with items on: the Dragoon. I don't remember seeing it at all during the 3DS tournament.

Did anyone see it? If it comes out MUCH less frequently than it did in Brawl, I'd be okay with that.

 

[Ahnez]

Yes. Haha. XP

Can I just mention how much I fucking love the new warpstar sound effect? Easily my favorite sound in Smash 4. It just sounds so...right.

I really liked the new sound effects and voice clips aside from a few

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FIREE

of them

 

[Berordn]

On the subject of items, I'm thinking about the only item that I actually hate when playing with items on: the Dragoon. I don't remember seeing it at all during the 3DS tournament.

Did anyone see it? If it comes out MUCH less frequently than it did in Brawl, I'd be okay with that.

I don't think it was enabled on either of the E3 builds, but I agree. As long as it doesn't show up multiple times every single match and it doesn't interfere with Smash Ball spawning, it's probably fine.

 

[georly]

I don't think it was enabled on either of the E3 builds, but I agree. As long as it doesn't show up multiple times every single match and it doesn't interfere with Smash Ball spawning, it's probably fine.

I kinda like that there was an item that *IF* it exists, smash ball can NOT. It reduces the frequency of smash balls, which was good if you wanted them on but didn't want them dominating the fight. I'd love if there were other items with smash ball-disabling properties.

I assume that since smash balls are 'hype' that E3 had no such items on, so we can assume that all items in the E3 build have no such property.

 

[Ahnez]

We need individual variables for the rarity of each item

Then we will have the frequence options for how fast it is between item spawnings, and rarity to define which item is spawned

 

[georly]

We need individual variables for the rarity of each item

Then we will have the frequence options for how fast it is between item spawnings, and rarity to define which item is spawned

Yeah, i'd love a 'my music' style toggle for items, and preferably pokeballs and assist trophies too!

 

[alecfa]

I really hope they get rid of continuous sliders though - one of my pet peeves is not being able to set an exact amount for a variable. I'd prefer it just have ten or twenty notches you can snap to, meaning 5%, 10%, et.c

 

[Cosmic Dreams]

The only thing I would consider useful when playing as villager is to use the tree move to gain access to the axe which does considerable damage.

You will take Lucina and you will like it.

Thats another thing. I'm worried about how Lucina will play after trying out Marth.

He plays considerably different compared to previous titles. I felt more inclined to play defensive rather than offensive during FFA matches. I'm afraid that Lucina being weaker would make it harder for players to gain KOs in matches since she's supposed to be a weaker but faster Marth.

 

[Berordn]

I really hope they get rid of continuous sliders though - one of my pet peeves is not being able to set an exact amount for a variable. I'd prefer it just have ten or twenty notches you can snap to, meaning 5%, 10%, et.c

you and me, separated at birth

That seriously bugged the heck out of me in Brawl because I had no idea what the actual chance of some songs were, I just had to trust that the sliders were "right."

 

[Ahnez]

Yeah, i'd love a 'my music' style toggle for items, and preferably pokeballs and assist trophies too!

I was thinking exactly about My Music actually lol

 

[emb]

I really hope they get rid of continuous sliders though - one of my pet peeves is not being able to set an exact amount for a variable. I'd prefer it just have ten or twenty notches you can snap to, meaning 5%, 10%, et.c

I see it the opposite way. If it has exact values, I'll be a little annoyed if they aren't snapped to acceptable numbers. If it's continuous, I don't have to care.

 

[Hatchtag]

I don't like Smashball and Dragoon Parts. Usually if I'm playing with items on, it's at my family's house with my brother and mom, and my mom's not good enough to get them quickly, so it really makes it unfun for her.
kinda odd that things intended to make things more fun for casuals actually make it less fun lol.

 

[Zubz]

Yeah, i'd love a 'my music' style toggle for items, and preferably pokeballs and assist trophies too!

Oh man, I didn't even think of having items work like My Music! That'd be great; I know there'd be a lot of people who'd just max out OP ones like Golden Hammer, but that could be brilliant for self-imposed group challenges! Plus, people can make their own Events were only assist characters that perform a specific task or are from a specific series showed up, like that one Event from Melee where every item that wasn't explosive was a Pokeball, but it only ever summoned Electrode.

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Maybe we can have characters we missed out on like Goroh, Lyn, Dillon, or Takamaru duke it out by having them fight the other "summoners?" Put it on Pyrosphere so they can fight against Ridley, too!

... Granted, I doubt we'll even get a Toggle option for the Assists... Satan & Nintendog literally do nothing but ruin the flow of battle for everyone, summoner included. I know they're meant to be a challenge, but they change the game from a fight into flailing around trying to figure out where you even are; isn't that why they removed the Invisibility Cloak? That and the fact names still showed above you when it was active, making it also useless?

 

[OricWindstar]

Yeah, i'd love a 'my music' style toggle for items, and preferably pokeballs and assist trophies too!

This so much! I've been wanting that since Melee.