PhilipDoesMatter
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Celes from FF VI. Struggle and victory.
are Tess and Ellie the best representation of "women" in videogames yet? who else?
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TheRedSnifit
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That actually is kind of weird.
They're just like any other male character in the games, except when it comes to opening their shirts and showing their bewbs.
Likely because Ellie isn't a woman yet.
It's mentioned in the first line of the OP, too.
Female Renegade Shepard. Also the only real Shepard. Male one is a poser GQ model.
Samus will always be one of my favorites, love the Boss and Bayonetta as well.
I'm not sure if Samus or Bayonetta are exactly good representations of women, Samus is a cipher (MoM does not exist), and Bayonetta is, well, Bayonetta. But I like her for all the same reasons I like Dante. She gives no fucks, does her thing.
Samus will always be one of my favorites, love the Boss and Bayonetta as well.
I'm not sure if Samus or Bayonetta are exactly good representations of women, Samus is a cipher (MoM does not exist), and Bayonetta is, well, Bayonetta. But I like her for all the same reasons I like Dante. She gives no fucks, does her thing.
Chill, the OP probably just did that because people's definition of "woman" vs. "girl" may differ, I.E. Ellie is a teen so some might not call her a "woman" yet since she might not be seen as an adult in some cultures.
Not everything you read on the Internet has sinister intent!
The only game where Samus gets any real characterization is Other M. And it's offensive, misogynistic garbage.
soulassssns
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There are plenty of good female characters in gaming. But people only choose to see the over sexualised ones so they can yell and scream at the shy.
In the OP it's explained that it's due to Ellie's age.
I did read that. And I don't think it's sinister intent. Just an accidental implication.
soulassssns
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Offensive to who exactly?
Razgriz-Specter
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Not disagreeing with you but thats basically true of all main MGS characters, the Frogs were the only female "grunts" but they die like all other grunts.
Okay, which character deaths in the MGS franchise aren't dramatic?
I mean, you shoot a dying woman right in the face, twice. Don't know of many games where you execute women like that, where they're a solider and your mission is to dispose of them.
Nameless
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Chris from Suikoden III is probably my favorite female protagonist, design and personality wise. She's awesome.
Yup. Was just about to post this as my serious answer. .
I was so bias towards her and her party that it cost me at the end of the game.
Relaxed Muscle
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One of the better examples out of Japan, no doubt.
Emily from Deadly Premontion
This is right in many levels.
This is one awesome answer as well.
SketchTheArtist
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For me, just the fact that Tess or Joel's personality, actions and most of their dialogue could've be interchanged shows that Tess' main character trait is more than just ''female companion''.
To everyone, hopefully.
TelluricTokoro
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Milla Maxwell, Chloe Valens, and Norma Beatty are all beautifully written female Tales characters.
NinjamicWZ
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The Boss will always be better than everyone, male or female.
Zeuanimals
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Yeah, but there's Zero Suit Samus and then there's Other M. That aside, she's pretty good. Well, Zero Suit Samus isn't that bad if you put a good character behind the design.
The Boss is GOAT.
And Yuna from FFX is pretty good. She's strong willed and she's one of the more mature characters in a large cast of characters.
TheRedSnifit
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The countless mooks you kill. They're all dudes, the fourth one aside.
Relaxed Muscle
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My answer:
One of the best characters in anything.
viveks86
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Ha. Just noticed the quotation marks. What's that all about?
Because Ellie is technically a teen and not yet an adult. Did you read the OP?
SamuelSupreme
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I honestly can't think of too many examples. The Boss is definitely one.
Ding Ding we have a winner. and my FemShep Cleopatra Shepard
She has dialogue in Super Metroid, and a more fleshed out personality in Fusion. Other M is certainly a mess though. Regardless I'm not sure if Samus is the standard to hold up as a great representation, other than being a very strong female lead, given the fact that she gives up fanservice shots as ending rewards and often runs around in bikini's or skin tight suits.
With regards to the OP, no there are and have been more interesting females in gaming long before TLOU.
One of the better examples out of Japan, no doubt.
Emily from Deadly Premontion
Yes 100% Yes
BinaryPork2737
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I honestly can't think of too many examples. The Boss is definitely one.
I'm surprised it took 10 posts for The Boss to be mentioned.
NinjamicWZ
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I also want to shout out Junon in Dragon Force because she slips my mind and is never, ever mentioned for any of these threads:
It's been a long time since I've played the game and don't remember a lot about her story, but I know she repped.
It's been a long time since I've played the game and don't remember a lot about her story, but I know she repped.
And_Gignac
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Celes from FFVI is better.
viveks86
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Ahhh I see. Still seems like wrong usage of quotation marks. Anyway, at least we can put this issue to rest.
brickarts295
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2 Pages and no Elena Fisher, you guys disgust me.
also
and even if she didn't have enough character development...
also
and even if she didn't have enough character development...
lukeskymac
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Yay for Kreia and SHODAN, nay for Samus and Alyx
Are you talking about soldiers during sneaking sections or bosses when it comes to dramatic deaths?
Normal soldier deaths are dramatic in MGS2, they blurt out a grunt in agony and bleed everywhere. Shooting them in the gut makes blood spray out and they reach out one last time. Pretty sure its the same in MGS3. In MGS1 its dramatic when it comes to context, since all the soldiers underwent gene therapy to perform like Big Boss, you're essentially killing your own genetic brothers.
CharmingCharlie
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No femshep yet, GAF I am disappoint
Excuse me :<
Monocle
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Bayonetta might seem like a joke answer because her sexuality is so up front, but she's one of the greatest examples of positive female representation in games.
Bayonetta displays incredible power and poise in every situation. She is never at the mercy of misogynistic stereotypes. In fact, her game takes special care to set them up so Bayonetta can shoot them down. She subverts every cliche by playing on your assumptions and then defying your expectations.
The whole story of the game is basically about Bayonetta learning to be the best version of herself by becoming her own role model. Seriously, she is an entirely self-actualized superhero who defies her fated role as a powerless outcast and pawn, and I find that fucking awesome.
Bayonetta displays incredible power and poise in every situation. She is never at the mercy of misogynistic stereotypes. In fact, her game takes special care to set them up so Bayonetta can shoot them down. She subverts every cliche by playing on your assumptions and then defying your expectations.
The whole story of the game is basically about Bayonetta learning to be the best version of herself by becoming her own role model. Seriously, she is an entirely self-actualized superhero who defies her fated role as a powerless outcast and pawn, and I find that fucking awesome.