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[RMS Gigantic]

Muted entirely.

http://www.twitch.tv/zallard1/c/4605350

Gotta love how it still claims that "portions" were muted.

 

[FStop7]

Polygon
http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/6/5976565/twitch-music-content-id-dmca

Did anything with Gies get muted? I might have been wrong to oppose this, after all!

 

[CountAntonius]

Yeah because you cant have people listening to shitty sounding(bitrate wise) music, they just wont buy it, they'll just use random twitch streams to create playlists of there favourite music on that.

Like how is muting the audio for an old game like Punch Out, how does that benefit anyone? How is muting the audio for any games or anything that uses background music going to benefit companies?

I'm not on the side of of the music companies I just knew that this was coming and I want it to be sorted and out of the way as soon as possible. This was always coming regardless of what people feel about streaming licensed music.

 

[SerTapTap]

The pause/unpause loophole will obviously be closed soon. In the next wave of announcements I predict a complete removal of archiving, turning twitch into a "pure" streaming site, with ARC scanning and muting of live content to follow soon after.

They would have pissed less people off if they just totally removed VOD. This is asinine.

 

[RangerBAD]

Twitch is this decade's Napster.

 

[Orayn]

I'm not on the side of of the music companies I just knew that this was coming and I want it to be sorted and out of the way as soon as possible. This was always coming regardless of what people feel about streaming licensed music.

Yeah, this needs to be emphasized. Twitch isn't doing this because they're meanie heads who hate good things, they're doing it to cover their asses.

A site as big as Twitch can't remain as the Old West and not enforce copyright. They can hopefully do it more carefully going forward, but doing nothing wasn't an option.

 

[ZenTzen]

There already is one that is like old Twitch, and even has the same basic design as it.

yeah started to go there a day ago, but theres no streamers there that i'd enjoy yet, all of them are on twitch

but seriously who the hell came up with this, its like these guys think people go to twitch to hear freaking music, its completely stupid

 

[Natiko]

Hey everyone we're making a lot of changes to VODs to overhaul and improve them greatly!*




*So long as you want to watch silent videos.

 

[Duxxy3]

haha, i wonder if SGDQ will all bail as well

If anybody were to bail from twitch, it would be them.

 

[mephixto]

Extremely disappointing.

To Hitbox we go.

Make Hitbox big enough and sooner or later they will go the same route.

 

[Marcel]

Hey everyone we're making a lot of changes to VODs to overhaul and improve them greatly!*




*So long as you want to watch silent videos.

"Improving" the Twitch service by making it worse has been the Twitch MO for a while now. This audio thing is just the dealbreaker.

 

[MrDaravon]

Yeah, this needs to be emphasized. Twitch isn't doing this because they're meanie heads who had good things, they're doing it to cover their asses.

A site as big as Twitch can't remain as the Old West and not enforce copyright. They can hopefully do it more carefully going forward, but doing nothing wasn't an option.

Sure, but their implementation of it is obviously completely fucked at the moment. If it was working with a high degree of accuracy with little to no false claims and completely in-game audio not getting muted that would be one thing. But that's not what's happening, and you can even get around it by pausing and unpausing the video.

 

[gai_shain]

Pretty sure this was already here but Streams from Valve were muted because they contain dota2 music

 

[Sandfox]

but seriously who the hell came up with this, its like these guys think people go to twitch to hear freaking music, its completely stupid

I would assume it has more to do with protecting them from potentially getting sued or something.

 

[Velcro Fly]

Some issues will be ironed out but this sucks for the majority of streamers having stuff muted

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Make Hitbox big enough and sooner or later they will go the same route.

Until they get big enough to be purchased by Google and subjected to Google's systems and audio filtering tech...


...to Hitbox we go.

Some issues will be ironed out but this sucks for the majority of streamers having stuff muted

Honestly, this is just horrible for Twitch streamers. The music is really kinda necessary to pass the time and keeps viewers engaged when the streamer isn't talking. But now it will be at the cost of their VoD's not working (essentially).

Sorry, this is just horrible. I don't see how the music industry is served by this. Lots of people actually discover new music this way.

 

[Felix Lighter]

Goddamn it. I watch more VODs than live streams.

 

[Foffy]

Pretty sure this was already here but Streams from Valve were muted because they contain dota2 music

This happens on Youtube, too. People who made the game they're showing have gotten flagged.

Same thing here, for it's the same bad system trying to keep the law in tact for a bad fucking law.

 

[NIN90]

Guess now I'll have to buy the music on iTunes that I used to listen to on Twitch. And maybe get the limited edition vinyls.

 

[kiunchbb]

THIS.

The VOD libraries are just a testing ground.

They will rework the system, refine the algorithms, and within a year, this system will apply to livestreams as well.

Why else would they keep the 60 seconds live stream delay, they obviously need that to censor all the pirates.

 

[Xater]

Yeah, this needs to be emphasized. Twitch isn't doing this because they're meanie heads who had good things, they're doing it to cover their asses.

A site as big as Twitch can't remain as the Old West and not enforce copyright. They can hopefully do it more carefully going forward, but doing nothing wasn't an option.

I'm not just angry at Twitch but also at the content holders that value their shit way too much and see piracy everywhere. I seriously doubt any Twitch stream ever cost them a sale of a song.

 

[Leafhopper]

Pretty sure this was already here but Streams from Valve were muted because they contain dota2 music

Okay that makes the muting of TI4 even make less sense now.

 

[RE_Player]

Hitbox is getting hammered. Can't even load up a stream.

 

[~Kinggi~]

Lmao, its almost funny how too cliche this is rolling out. Bunch of fuckers.

 

[Ferrio]

I'm not just angry at Twitch but also at the content holders that value their shit way too much and see piracy everywhere. I seriously doubt any Twitch stream ever cost them a sale of a song.

"Hey I wanna listen to X... I know there's a vod of some guy playing it somewhere"

 

[Nokterian]

Copyright law needs to change it's fucking old and doesn't apply in this day in age even for US and EU.

 

[Marcel]

I'm not just angry at Twitch but also at the content holders that value their shit way too much and see piracy everywhere. I seriously doubt any Twitch stream ever cost them a sale of a song.

The already-rich content holders are the ones you should be mad at, yes. You can direct some anger at Twitch as well for having that shitty delay/buffering thing for like six months.

 

[Dusk Golem]

Hitbox is getting hammered. Can't even load up a stream.

Yup, they're working on it.

https://twitter.com/hitboxliveHelp/status/497150137933000705

 

[Willy Wanka]

And the music industry continues to be controlled by absolute morons.

 

[Divvy]

Until they get big enough to be purchased by Google and subjected to Google's systems and audio filtering tech...


...to Hitbox we go.

I dunno why people are blaming Google for this. They're using this Audible Magic content detection system, which seems to have nothing to do with Google. I would think that if this were a google move, they'd use whatever system they are already using for youtube to detect music.

 

[G-Fex]

well so much for wanting to stream hatsune miku or idolmaster

 

[Orayn]

Sure, but their implementation of it is obviously completely fucked at the moment. If it was working with a high degree of accuracy with little to no false claims and completely in-game audio not getting muted that would be one thing. But that's not what's happening, and you can even get around it by pausing and unpausing the video.

Agreed, this is definitely quick and dirty implementation that needs a lot of changes. Hopefully they can make it better and not worse.

 

[Kinyou]

The least they could do is replace the muted portions with a loop of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_H3MWVx6JU

Personally I'd go with

http://youtu.be/kxopViU98Xo

well so much for wanting to stream hatsune miku or idolmaster

Or Gta and pretty much any other open world game that has a radio

 

[Marcel]

I dunno why people are blaming Google for this. They're using this Audible Magic content detection system, which seems to have nothing to do with Google. I would think that if this were a google move, they'd use whatever system they are already using for youtube to detect music.

Yeah everyone stop picking on widdle old Google. /s

Agreed, this is definitely quick and dirty implementation that needs a lot of changes. Hopefully they can make it better and not worse.

Do you remember how bad Youtube was after the Google buyout? Dreams are nice.

 

[Sevyne]

Twitch basically going silent you say? Charlie approves!

Seriously though, this isn't going to end well.

 

[Revven]

Yeah, this needs to be emphasized. Twitch isn't doing this because they're meanie heads who hate good things, they're doing it to cover their asses.

A site as big as Twitch can't remain as the Old West and not enforce copyright. They can hopefully do it more carefully going forward, but doing nothing wasn't an option.

I am mad both at Twitch for implementing the same goddamn terrible system that Youtube has (or similar to it, it's basically the same system to me as a viewer) and mad at copyright law. One is something that is in Twitch's power to change, the other is not.

There is a better way to protect themselves and they chose the worst system possible. I do not care if it would be "more work" for them to do something better, this system is unacceptable and even if it "sorts itself out" there will still be problems with it just as there are still with Youtube to this day.

 

[Eggbok]

The least they could do is replace the muted portions with a loop of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_H3MWVx6JU

Is it bad that I actually love this song...........

 

[Leafhopper]

Agreed, this is definitely quick and dirty implementation that needs a lot of changes. Hopefully they can make it better and not worse.

I am hoping but man it was done so poorly.

 

[Duxxy3]

Why else would they keep the 60 seconds live stream delay, they obviously need that to censor all the pirates.

Oh god, this is a good point. The streams really are not live, they are all delayed. It would probably be easy to set up a system to mute streams on the way to the viewer.

 

[Fotheringay]

And the music industry continues to be controlled by absolute morons.

I've found out about a ton of music I never would have discovered without hearing it on a Twitch stream. Reckful's stream alone has probably led to me spending a few hundred bucks on new music over the years.

 

[Valtýr]

Is hitbox all fucked up? I can't get it to create my account. doing it via facebook

 

[Timeless]

There's nothing about streaming that couldn't be accomplished with torrent-style peer-to-peer uploads. If things get rough, streamers can always go OFF THE GRID if they want to keep their music.

 

[SpotAnime]

I was hoping they would look the muted portions of video with this:

http://t.co/E8gQD3SF6l

 

[SteveWinwood]

I've found out about a ton of music I never would have discovered without hearing it on a Twitch stream. Reckful's stream alone has probably led to me spending a few hundred bucks on new music over the years.

um sounds like you were just stealing music in the first place by hearing it

 

[Haunted]

Is hitbox all fucked up? I can't get it to create my account. doing it via facebook

I'm sure they're experiencing roughly 2000% of their usual traffic tonight. Frankly, I'm surprised the site works at all.

 

[Fotheringay]

um sounds like you were just stealing music in the first place by hearing it

Got them thievin ears

 

[Orayn]

I dunno why people are blaming Google for this. They're using this Audible Magic content detection system, which seems to have nothing to do with Google. I would think that if this were a google move, they'd use whatever system they are already using for youtube to detect music.

Google initially licensed stuff from Audible Magic when they first started automatically screening YouTube for copyrighted content, but I don't know if they still use that tech or have moved onto a proprietary system.

I am mad both at Twitch for implementing the same goddamn terrible system that Youtube has and mad at copyright law. One is something that is in Twitch's power to change, the other is not.

There is a better way to protect themselves and they chose the worst system possible. I do not care if it would be "more work" for them to do something better, this system is unacceptable and even if it "sorts itself out" there will still be problems with it just as there are still with Youtube to this day.

It's not just about "work," it's about legal liability. If Twitch doesn't do everything in their power to stop copyright infringement as it happens, they would be in a much worse legal position if faced with a lawsuit from a record company. In this case, they tried to solve that problem by passing off responsibility to Audible Magic, who admittedly are doing a really shitty job at the moment.

 

[Zombie James]

I've found out about a ton of music I never would have discovered without hearing it on a Twitch stream. Reckful's stream alone has probably led to me spending a few hundred bucks on new music over the years.

Yeah, but you listened to that stream music for free. Can't have that! If you want to discover new music you pay for a CD full of songs you've never heard before like a good consumer.

 

[CambriaRising]

Welp twitch, it was a good run.

 

[Haunted]

I was hoping they would look the muted portions of video with this:

http://t.co/E8gQD3SF6l

This video not available in Germany due to music licensing issues.

How appropriate.