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Twitch: Changes To Audio In VODS
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Quite a few pages back.
Intheflorsh
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Have you been reading this thread? Look at all the problems this has already caused.
DirgeExtinction
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bigbaldwolf86
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This will hit live broadcasts sooner rather than later I think. Google's content ID force is already in full swing.
Explain what is going to get better.
I meant to go back and edit this post to say that it only pertains to playing your own unauthorized, copyrighted music over games.
This system is some scorched Earth bullshit that generates way too many false positives.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Hard to believe that people are put off by awful first impressions from a company with a history of haphazard copyright policies.
SerTapTap
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Um what more is there to judge beyond a site for video game video content is muting parts of games in videos? I wouldn't need more than a few hours to decide a dentist was bad if they were found cutting apart healthy pieces of teeth
Nothing in the TOS says that you can not stream music that you have the copyright holders permission for (which is some of the VODs they are muting)!
This happens with every content ID system. It never really gets better. These censorship systems will always err on the side of extreme caution due to fear of lawsuits. The system will only get more strict.
Weren't people going apeshit at youtube for the first day as well after all of the mistaken ID flags, and then people started to file incorrect flags with youtube's system and the overwhelming majority of them got rectified?
Someone just said DOTA's thing was unmuted, for whatever reason. Much like the youtube things, do you think no videos that are muted now will soon be unmuted? Not saying it will be fixed but just like the youtube thing, why not give it some time? ┐(´ー｀
┌TheUnknownForce
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Someone better make a third-party viewer for videos on a computer. That might fix the VODs issue currently.
SerTapTap
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Weren't people going apeshit at youtube for the first day as well after all of the mistaken ID flags, and then people started to file incorrect flags with youtube's system and the overwhelming majority of them got rectified?
Someone just said DOTA's thing was unmuted, for whatever reason. Much like the youtube things, do you think no videos that are muted now will soon be unmuted? Not saying it will be fixed but just like the youtube thing, why not give it some time? ┐(´ー｀
If they didn't test what would be matched, they're so incredibly incompetent and irresponsible I'd never want to work with them anyway.
They can tweak things quite a bit. You can go through the database of copyrighted content to clear out illegitimate entries, make the system more or less sensitive in terms of the algorithms it uses to detect an audio match, potentially tell it to ignore game soundtracks based on the game the streamer says they're playing, and much more.
Problem is that it looks like Twitch hacked this solution together in a very short schedule, and it's running at really awful "default settings."
Weren't people going apeshit at youtube for the first day as well after all of the mistaken ID flags, and then people started to file incorrect flags with youtube's system and the overwhelming majority of them got rectified?
Someone just said DOTA's thing was unmuted, for whatever reason. Much like the youtube things, do you think no videos that are muted now will soon be unmuted? Not saying it will be fixed but just like the youtube thing, why not give it some time? ┐(´ー｀
Oh ponpo...
I guarantee twitch will play favorites and unmute DOTA,LoL and Dan's channel and whoever else is front page money
You sure do like making posts looking down on people.
It was always going to happen. Regardless of if these rumours of a Google buyout happened or not.
The reality is: the music industry doesn't like their music broadcast for profit or otherwise, in an unlicensed manner. This is nothing new, it's inevitable for all popular online services such as Twitch.
The reality is: the music industry doesn't like their music broadcast for profit or otherwise, in an unlicensed manner. This is nothing new, it's inevitable for all popular online services such as Twitch.
Passive Assassin
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:l mike ross help us!
No doubt about that. That DOTA thing was almost certainly just manually fixed by someone because of its popularity.
I'm just saying that weren't similar things going on when youtube did this? Videos were getting muted on games were developers themselves were tweeting like "this is a mistake" and so on and then things were eventually fixed?
I sure do like not bandwagon overreacting at everything constantly which seems to happen here. Seriously the YouTube thing happened how many months ago? Maybe people just remember the reactions from people in the first two hours of the 'mutings' rather than the days / weeks after where things were (presumably) fixed to some degree.
TheUnknownForce
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Video game devs need to drop copyright issues on their music. It will not benefit them at all to have video streams of just game footage playing everywhere. It just paints a bad picture...a silent moving picture.
Also, if this hits a few of the biggun streamers for speedruns, expect AGDQ and other groups to run en masse elsewhere. There's no MCN on Twitch is there protecting the bigger streamers like the Affiliates on Youtube, right? This could affect some big big streamers.
At the same time, I doubt they care too much. As long as they have LOL, DOTA2 and a couple other hitters, they have the hits they need.
Also, if this hits a few of the biggun streamers for speedruns, expect AGDQ and other groups to run en masse elsewhere. There's no MCN on Twitch is there protecting the bigger streamers like the Affiliates on Youtube, right? This could affect some big big streamers.
At the same time, I doubt they care too much. As long as they have LOL, DOTA2 and a couple other hitters, they have the hits they need.
Mushroomer25
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They literally JUST implemented this feature across their entire back catalog of content - and are now dealing with the reality of what it is and isn't flagging. This is the equivalent of the dentist taking the drill out of the bag, realizing he's got the wrong bit affixed - then having the patient sprint out of the room because "Who dares fuck something that simple up?" despite not knowing the first goddamn thing about dentistry.
Most likely, we'll see a reality similar to the current state of YouTube's ContentID. Which is by no means good - it's still a massive pain in the ass, and can flag content incorrectly. But the appeals process is streamlined enough that most content creators can manage. And since Twitch isn't even challenging live broadcasts (where streamers make the lion's share of revenue), this shouldn't be as large an issue in the long term.
fluffydelusions
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Pretty much. You can't even really blame Google. It was inevitable. They are 4th biggest streaming site in US. Of course they will get noticed.
RyanPierre
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I hope nobody tries to stream a Guitar Hero or Rock Band game.
This is the first thing I thought about. Harmonix streams their games that heavily feature licensed music. If their licensing agreements cover promotional use like streaming gameplay, then this system where they'd be muted and assumed guilty until proven innocent is kinda outrageous.
I'm sure this has already been posted but I'm gonna post it again because it's hilarious.
https://twitter.com/xkeepah/status/497147167803310080
Twitch, you guys should totally sue yourselves for using copyrighted music! Bad Twitch! Bad!
https://twitter.com/xkeepah/status/497147167803310080
Twitch, you guys should totally sue yourselves for using copyrighted music! Bad Twitch! Bad!
Nope, this is bad, things have really ruptured. As far as losing archive videos as well as getting them cut in audio.
The popular streamers are safe, while the smaller streamers are screwed over and buried.
Scofield94941
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my videos didnt get muted but then again i'm probably far on the list to mute things
XANDER CAGE
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Darude probably wanted a piece of the pie. I mean, Sandstorm is in everything these days.
Watching archives through Livestreamer also has the audio.
Again, Livestreamer to the rescue!
Mushroomer25
Member
Darude probably made Rick Astley "Rickroll" money from that song gaining meme status.
And by that I mean he probably hasn't made a damn cent, and is now very bitter about it.
Intheflorsh
Banned
Youtube's algorithm has not and likely will never work perfectly since it is so heavily automated and broad in its implementation. Its "guilty until proven innocent" appeal system also proved to be a massive pain in the ass for many youtubers. Many were moving to twitch to get away from some of these systems so I don't think it's overreacting to say that twitch copying the youtube process is going to prove *massively* unpopular.
But lol internet, right?
But lol internet, right?
Awesome.
Twitch is copying the YouTube process outside of the area where streamers make most of their money. It's still a huge pain in the ass for those who want to provide a back catalog or who rely on VODs to export their stuff, but it doesn't directly threaten their livelihood in the same way being unable to monetize on YouTube would.
Dirk Benedict
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BlackBuzzard
Banned
Even though this could totally go from just VODs to livestreams, I don't see how that would be viable. Twitch would lose so many subscribers, and probably streamers.
Wow censoring a charity stream. Well played.
Nope. In-game and ambient music as well =/
I wouldn't say it's that streamlimed on Youtube. You're still dealing with a bot when appealing your content and a company can easily strike it down or reset the appeal at last minute. You may even have to prove that you have a paid license to even do what you're doing while still having to counter claim.
DryEyeRelief
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twitch already does this. allocating resources to specific users when there's a big moba stream or when twitch plays pokemon was popular
Agreed, muting live streams for game music would not be in Twitch's best interests, and would even go against the intended use case presented by Microsoft and Sony on the new consoles.