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Legend of Korra Book 3: Change |OT| SCHEDULEBENDING
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Admiral Woofington
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If korra has showed anything is that the creators (or at least the writers) have all but given up. I genuinely want them to finish with this then move on to other projects. If Nickelodeon really cared they could keep the franchise alive with comics or video games. But I doubt it.
The creators must feel like shit though. Imagine how they felt when 30% of their new season they worked a year + on leaked before the release date was even announced. Then imagine all the BS nick Pulled with their shitty marketing and then eventually pulling the episodes from TV.
I feel really bad for them. I imagine finishing Book 4 must be really bittersweet, and they are probably feeling really down about it. I would, knowing the show has been a failure in ratings, and that you aren't getting support from the company you are making it for. Would also suck knowing that what you are creating, is just online only.
AND NOW this latest episode leaking? lol holy fuck. I bet they feel awful right about now. It's like this season is limping along, and needs to be put down.
I feel really bad for them. I imagine finishing Book 4 must be really bittersweet, and they are probably feeling really down about it. I would, knowing the show has been a failure in ratings, and that you aren't getting support from the company you are making it for. Would also suck knowing that what you are creating, is just online only.
AND NOW this latest episode leaking? lol holy fuck. I bet they feel awful right about now. It's like this season is limping along, and needs to be put down.
Admiral Woofington
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I'm sure it sucks massive chode for them and I feel for them. This is probably as good a sign as any to not work with Nickelodeon anymore. They should really consider bringing their next show to Netflix or even cartoon network. Though cartoon network is more likely to cancel the show.
Yeah would be a really shitty situation to be in just the sheer incompetence of Nick this year and its management of Korra must be rage inducing
It'll be interesting seeing what they do after the show is all wrapped up and if they stay with Nick or not
I guess it just depends. You would think that given who they are and the success of Avatar, other networks would be dying to sign them (I would hope). If that's not the case, then Nick might be their only option. But who's to say if Nick even wants to work with them again. Lol I mean I bet their relationship is pretty awkward right about now.
patience!!!
Even if they eventually pay off, it's kind of too late. Lol we are basically at the final season. At least
Bolin had his moment in Book 2 with saving the President. Too bad they made him dumb as rocks, and borderline douchebag with Opal. Great follow up too that epic moment.
Admiral Woofington
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I really do hope they find a new network that gives them the love they deserve
But pretty much all the channels that air cartoons are pretty crummy in their own way also from Cartoon Network and its treatment of Young Justice and Sym-Bionic Titan to Disney with Ttron uprising (12am slot) and Motorcity
Yeah I was going to say...
Nick is shit, but the other animation networks don't have a good reputation either. I would love to see Netflix or even someone like Hulu (even though I don't like them) invest in their own animation series. It's content they need, and it gives the creators more freedom/support.
That would be ideal. I have yet to see Netflix invest in anything animation related though. I'm curious how big that demographic is (subscribers that actually watch it). I imagine the majority of their viewers watch live action drama. SO...
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Episode 10 Opinion
I really didn't like the whole Nibelsnarf sidemission with Korra and Asami, seemed like just padding, but at least Asami finally did something. The same can't be said for Bolin, who's useless as always.
Zaheer and his crew are awesome, and I'm sadly more inclined to support them than Korra, since he's the only one that's actually done something about an issue before it directly affects him (see: Korra only dealing with the nonbender problem after Anon does something, Harmonic Convergence only being an issue when Unalaq directly confronts her about it). The Earth Queen was obviously corrupt and Korra just ignored her after stealing the airbenders back, but I'm sure the writters will just take the opportunity to remind us that the Red Lotus are not good and everything about this be a parallel to the French Revolution with the citizens going insane (even if that's already implied).
All in all, Season 3 has been way better than S2 + S1 combined, just hope Season 4 keeps it up since it's going to be the last one obvs.
Zaheer and his crew are awesome, and I'm sadly more inclined to support them than Korra, since he's the only one that's actually done something about an issue before it directly affects him (see: Korra only dealing with the nonbender problem after Anon does something, Harmonic Convergence only being an issue when Unalaq directly confronts her about it). The Earth Queen was obviously corrupt and Korra just ignored her after stealing the airbenders back, but I'm sure the writters will just take the opportunity to remind us that the Red Lotus are not good and everything about this be a parallel to the French Revolution with the citizens going insane (even if that's already implied).
All in all, Season 3 has been way better than S2 + S1 combined, just hope Season 4 keeps it up since it's going to be the last one obvs.
Meh.
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Cartoon Network would have canceled the show as soon as the toy companies back out of any toy deals because of stereotypes.
At least we are getting a final book and a video game from a great developer.
Episode 10 Opinion
You know, a lot of people use TLA as the barometer for episodes, which I don't usually like since TLA was as excellent as it was due to how it functioned as a whole rather than individual episodes. As much as I love the Beach episode, it only is effective because of both what came before for the characters as much as what came after.
Still, if there is any episode worthy of the label, it'd be this one. This was, by far, the best Korra episode has ever put out.
It played up both the horror and nobility of Zaheer's group. How he was willing to suffocate the earth queen the way he was, while still soundly believing he was doing the right thing. He shows his views are highly skewed by the fact that he shows no sympathy to the earth queen while treating the lower worker kindly. Lincoln once said "As I would not be a slave, I would not be a slaver." or something to that effect. I think a truly devout believer of Zaheer's philosophy would show the earth queen mercy, as the monarchs are just as bound by the chains of hierarchy as the common folk are, even if they're bound in different ways. It also went to humanize the other members, with Bolin's talk with Ghazan and Ming Hua. That one episode we wasted on Tenzin should have instead been spent getting to know these characters, why Ghazan and Ming-hua and P'Li are all part of this group. Azula's team got that kind of characterization, it would only help to have it done here. Anyway, shit went down, and it is awesome.
Mako and Bolin's plot seems mostly set up. They are emphasizing how bad Bolin sucks as a metalbender so that when he finally does do it, it's all the more amazing. I wish they played up Bolin's insecurity about it more. Like, why is he insecure about it, since right now all it seems like it's just a thing he wants to do. Like, if he admits he doesn't feel like he's contributing to the group as much as others, that'd be something, but right now, his metal bending is situational. It'd be pretty cool if he learned how to lavabend from Ghazan though. And Mako is still faithfully fulfilling his demanding job as space-occupier.
Asami and Korra's plot was great too. Kind of a dumb moment when Asami said she needed keys for the leather belted in Korra, but whatever. It's good that Asami is playing Mechanic, and I hope she continues to have a role later in the finale. I wish she'd get more combat screentime though. This was the perfect time to do it, because the entire reason they were in the desert in the first place is because of Korra. I wish Asami just told her not to Hulk smash everything in sight for once. Anyway, again, the humanizing of the ship crew is an important part of Korra's journey. The fact that once they got town, Korra didn't hold a grudge and they instead worked together to get out is a very good thing. This is what the avatar does, not mere bending of 3 more elements than most people. And I liked the Sand Shark thing too. It's good to see TLA sized creatures coming back.
Still, if there is any episode worthy of the label, it'd be this one. This was, by far, the best Korra episode has ever put out.
It played up both the horror and nobility of Zaheer's group. How he was willing to suffocate the earth queen the way he was, while still soundly believing he was doing the right thing. He shows his views are highly skewed by the fact that he shows no sympathy to the earth queen while treating the lower worker kindly. Lincoln once said "As I would not be a slave, I would not be a slaver." or something to that effect. I think a truly devout believer of Zaheer's philosophy would show the earth queen mercy, as the monarchs are just as bound by the chains of hierarchy as the common folk are, even if they're bound in different ways. It also went to humanize the other members, with Bolin's talk with Ghazan and Ming Hua. That one episode we wasted on Tenzin should have instead been spent getting to know these characters, why Ghazan and Ming-hua and P'Li are all part of this group. Azula's team got that kind of characterization, it would only help to have it done here. Anyway, shit went down, and it is awesome.
Mako and Bolin's plot seems mostly set up. They are emphasizing how bad Bolin sucks as a metalbender so that when he finally does do it, it's all the more amazing. I wish they played up Bolin's insecurity about it more. Like, why is he insecure about it, since right now all it seems like it's just a thing he wants to do. Like, if he admits he doesn't feel like he's contributing to the group as much as others, that'd be something, but right now, his metal bending is situational. It'd be pretty cool if he learned how to lavabend from Ghazan though. And Mako is still faithfully fulfilling his demanding job as space-occupier.
Asami and Korra's plot was great too. Kind of a dumb moment when Asami said she needed keys for the leather belted in Korra, but whatever. It's good that Asami is playing Mechanic, and I hope she continues to have a role later in the finale. I wish she'd get more combat screentime though. This was the perfect time to do it, because the entire reason they were in the desert in the first place is because of Korra. I wish Asami just told her not to Hulk smash everything in sight for once. Anyway, again, the humanizing of the ship crew is an important part of Korra's journey. The fact that once they got town, Korra didn't hold a grudge and they instead worked together to get out is a very good thing. This is what the avatar does, not mere bending of 3 more elements than most people. And I liked the Sand Shark thing too. It's good to see TLA sized creatures coming back.
Yes.
100% agree. Best episode of the series. Probably won't comment on the episode after it airs since so many have discussed the episode already and I don't have anything else to add.
A lot of people don't like Rollins VO for Zaheer. It was one of the main complaints among fans of Book 3. In fact, it was one of the few complaints people had. While I can sort of see where they are coming from, I love Rollins in general, and thought he was perfect for the role. I've gotten used to his VO for the character.
Well a lot of people have some wrong opinions.
I don't know, that just sound stupid. At least go al lthe way and let them summon Captain Awesome.
I really deeply dislike his VA. He has no presence, he just sounds like he's rattling off lines in a monotone.
i dont know about that. Amon is probably the one character in the whole series with the greatest potential for murder. Even Tarrlok, who wasnt anywhere near as good of a bloodbender as Amon, could incapacitate an entire room of people.
if the show called for Amon to kill people, Republic City would have been a graveyard. he practically holds people's hearts in his hands every time he uses the skill.
and im not just saying that because i like the guy. bloodbending is still one of the most OP abilities this show will ever have. only three things can beat it: the Avatar State, a better bloodbender, and plotbending.
unless you just mean who they are, in which case i would still disagree with you because i still like my Amon.
he always sounds like he's reading from the script. most of the people in this show sound like that, with Korra being the most jarring because she typically talks more than everyone else.
I rather like that, since he sounds calm and like someone who works a lot at every word before actually saying it. Zaheer is a contrast to Korra an her impulsiveness, in my opinion.
Yeah see, I can agree that Rollins sounds like he's just reading from the script at times. I know not everyone will agree with me, but I felt the same way about Plaza too with Eska (only in certain parts, she started to blend in more with the character as she went on).
But I don't have an issue with Rollins in terms of the tone of his voice matching the character design. I just think its a failure of the Voice Director of the show. See I agree with Satch, and think this is an issue in general with Korra. Mako in particular, sounds like he's reading from a script often. And hell, even Korra can suffer from this.
I know that ATLA had a really good voice director (she had a lot of experience with other great shows), I wonder if she left for Korra...because it definitely sounds like a step down from ATLA.
But I don't have an issue with Rollins in terms of the tone of his voice matching the character design. I just think its a failure of the Voice Director of the show. See I agree with Satch, and think this is an issue in general with Korra. Mako in particular, sounds like he's reading from a script often. And hell, even Korra can suffer from this.
I know that ATLA had a really good voice director (she had a lot of experience with other great shows), I wonder if she left for Korra...because it definitely sounds like a step down from ATLA.
Admiral Woofington
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The thing about Aubrey plaza is that the way she talked as eska is almost exactly how she talks in so many of her roles. It's partially what got her the role in parks and rec, that uncaring tone to everything.
Yeah, of course. And Eska's character was supposed to have that monotone sound. But it still felt to me at times like the dialogue was read off a script. I noticed it in the first couple of episodes with her. It wasn't the times when she was deadpan, it was when the character was supposed to show slight emotion and the lines were poorly read.
At least, that's just me. I can understand if some don't agree with me in this case, just given her style of voice acting and the characters tone. Fair enough. But I still think it's an issue with Mako and some of the other main characters as well. I think it's an issue with poor directing.
Spot on. Although, the b-plot DOES drag it down.
Do not get me wrong, I liked it, but I feel that it does not very well complement the main plotline. The events were much too mundane.
Yeah, I guess. But the other voice actors on Korra also have experience, and sound stilted at times. I still say it's an issue with direction. But that's just me.
I actually had no idea Rollins has done VO work before. I guess I'm not surprised. I only know him from his music, and some of his other roles in live action stuff. Interesting. Were his other performances better (I mean in VO)?
Got
to give Asami something.
I haven't actually seen most of the other stuff he's done, so I don't know if he's better in it. And it's not like it's a heap of experience either, just more.
I agree that direction is probably a big part of the problem, but I think it's much more pronounced in his case. Much much much more pronounced.
I agree that direction is probably a big part of the problem, but I think it's much more pronounced in his case. Much much much more pronounced.
The questionable quality of the script doesn't help. Try to count how many times Korra or someone restates their goals for the current situation they're in.
*Tied up and captured on a ship*
Korra: We have to find a way out of this prison before we get to the earth queen!
Asami: I know Korra. They captured me too. I was there. :/
Korra: We have to find a way out of this prison before we get to the earth queen!
Asami: I know Korra. They captured me too. I was there. :/
Fair points. I guess I'm biased since I love Zaheer as a character, and like Rollins for his other stuff. But I can't deny that there is something off about the vocal delivery. It stands out, and it's never good when your mind automatically goes to "someone is in a booth reading this script", vs it being the voice of the character. I feel like the VO in ATLA had a lot more expression, and felt a bit more natural.
I found Zaheer's VO a bit off at first, but I've gotten used to it. I still think he's not the best acted character, but he's better than Eska from season 2, at least (Though to Aubrey Plaza's credit, she did improve).
Holy shit at Zaheer this episode. Can't believe they showed that on screen.
Holy shit at Zaheer this episode. Can't believe they showed that on screen.
No one said it definitively wasn't (just speculation). I just assumed maybe she had left, since the quality had dropped. I mean at some point, you have to point the blame at someone. It's hard to say that everyone on the cast is to blame (since this is an issue beyond one character). If it was just like ONE character, then it would be easier to say it's just that actor. But I don't even think that is a valid excuse, as it's on the director to either get a good performance out of them, or suggest they get a different voice actor to fill the role more appropriately.
That Korra has these issues compared to ATLA, is kind of shocking (given that she stayed on, according to you). Then again, not every artist has consistent quality level of work. So I would imagine, this goes for voice directing as well.
EDIT: Actually, I should say the writing/script plays a role in this aspect too. SO that could definitely be a factor.
Really? You think Aang/Katara/Toph/Sokka/Zuko had flat delivery and awkward performances? While I don't think the cast of Korra is always bad, I do think Mako/Korra and some of the other main cast have awkward readings (at least, more often then they should for main characters). I don't recall that being an issue with ATLA's main cast.
I edited my last post, but I'm thinking it could be an issue with the script/writing.
To be clear, it doesn't bother me in Korra. I've gotten used to it, and it's not even a thing. But if we are going to discuss strange VO (since everyone thinks Zaheer is terrible), I've kind of felt that VO in general in Korra has been weaker than ATLA.
I agree on the dialogue - to quote Azula, it's "the way the dialogue flows," in that sometimes, it doesn't.
Its not a huge issue. I think Bolin nails ever single line, and I think most of the characters (isolated) are solidly acted, and I like their voices. But I do think it is a legitimate issue.
Its not a huge issue. I think Bolin nails ever single line, and I think most of the characters (isolated) are solidly acted, and I like their voices. But I do think it is a legitimate issue.
It was. During my last re-watch, there was quite a bit of cringing at first. Eventually you get used to it though.
Guess I'm biased/delusional.
I'm okay with that. I'll stop bitching about the VO, since it's always been uneven apparently.
Yeah, at first. Almost every show has it take a bit for the VA's to grow into their characters. After a certain point in TLA, I would not agree that it was an issue. They truly delivered on the emotionality by the time it was necessary to give important lines. On the other hand, this is the 3rd year of Korra's existence, so it's odd that the VA's still sound as flat as they do.
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Wow, well at least it was leaked a day early as opposed to an entire month.
Decent episode
Decent episode
Asami finally getting some action, and Zuko is back!
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