I can't think of any voice work that felt jarring to me other than General Iroh's and Zaheer at first (the grey mane threw me off completely).
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I can't think of any voice work that felt jarring to me other than General Iroh's and Zaheer at first (the grey mane threw me off completely).
Well, I actually started halfway through the 2nd book. I think I just got used to how wonky it could sometimes be.
MidnightCowboy
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Man it sucks so much that this show got jobbed during its best season
Lol, ever seen those videos with the creators + M Night talking about the making of the movie? Pretty cringe.
Yeah, super cringeworthy. I watched one interview where he claimed that he was a big fan of the show, while he proved with his knowledge that he read the wikipedia synopsis at most.
Admiral Woofington
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With those sweet dance bending moves, Shyamalan took the Avatar world by storm.
You're probably asking yourself. Earth bending? The bending type focusing on stomps and strong body movement? LOL NO, you ignorant fuck. It's the bending based on Just Dance
Actually, an (internet) friend of mine who worked on the movie has always claimed that it wasn't M Night that ruined the movie, but the producers. In fact, his original screenplay (which was approved by Mike and Bryan) was actually quite good.
In fact, she recently talked about it here:
http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=22897.msg2391414#msg2391414
Keep going in the forum to find out more.
EDIT: He isn't blameless though.
In fact, she recently talked about it here:
http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=22897.msg2391414#msg2391414
Keep going in the forum to find out more.
EDIT: He isn't blameless though.
He's going to be able to
metalbend
*shrug* Difference of opinion then, but I thought it was good post first half of season 1. It still sounded like a cartoon, obviously, but there was a genuineness in the important scenes, such as Zuko and Iroh's reunion scene near the end, or Aang accepting the banana juice from the guru, or even as far back as the first episode of season 2 when Katara shares her concerns over Aang's avatar state. In those moments, the VA's made me truly believe in the scene, I could feel the effort the VA's were putting in there. It wasn't that the VA's were perfect 100% of the time (Zuko's "COME AT ME BRO" moment to the storm when learning lightning bending was over the top), but they worked for the most part. Meanwhile....
Legend of Korra's VA problem as far as I'm concerned is less about the voices matching the characters and more that they don't command the same range that the TLA's VA's did. Just as a quick example, what are the most emotional scenes in LoK? Off the top of my head, Tenzin's lesson to Korra about accepting change in the first episode of season 3 is one. Now, the scene was adequately performed, but they didn't sound differently, or like they reached a new plateau of understanding or knowledge or closeness. Korra sounded somewhat frustrated (her default mood lately), Tenzin sounded Tenziny. Or maybe Korra's break up scene with Mako. Again, maybe our biases against abusive girlfriends hinder our empathy, but I don't think Korra sounded like she was more upset than she ever was before or anything. Or....what? Because I honestly don't know. If you have a scene where you think LoK's VA is particularly outstanding, feel free to say so, because nothing comes to mind for me.
That's what I mean when I say TLA's VA was better. Just had a much larger range, and they delivered on it when it was necessary. Zuko's reunion with Iroh is probably going to stand as the most heartfelt moment in animation history for me, and a big part of it is because it actually sounded like Dante Brosco was crying as he was saying it. It sounded that genuine.
If that is all true, then I feel less critical against M Night.
That doesn't explain The Happening.
williamsan
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Just caught myself up on the season 3, watched 1-9. My favorite moment was when the air nomad trainee was forced to shave his head and then him later having his bald head save him from a net. That was hilarious, there were a lot of good moments throughout.
I'm liking the season so far. I'm waiting for a 'shit your pants' moment where Zaheel starts levitating from the lotus position. Combustion Lady's 'UMMMMPH' face when she fires off her third eye cracks me up.
Thankfully Nick has the entire season thus far online this go around, I don't remember it being the same for season 2.
I'm liking the season so far. I'm waiting for a 'shit your pants' moment where Zaheel starts levitating from the lotus position. Combustion Lady's 'UMMMMPH' face when she fires off her third eye cracks me up.
Thankfully Nick has the entire season thus far online this go around, I don't remember it being the same for season 2.
Oh ho ho ho. Episode 10.
Dat leak.
I wouldn't be surprised. But for me, Bolin is kind of damaged goods at this point. =/ I really wanted more from this character. I fear we are far too in at this point for any kind of redemption. And honestly, I'm just not a fan of the personality they developed for him in Book 2 and now 3.
I believe it. I've worked in the industry before, and Nepotism is pretty commonplace. Same goes for producers and execs that take lead on projects without having any idea what the fuck they are doing (they are just there to collect the paycheck and have their name be on the movie Poster). I guess this would make sense, because the Avatar movie comes across like a shitty big budget action movie (with no idea what the story or world was about).
So who is to blame then? Bryke doesn't own the show. Nick does. Even if they had not approved M Night's script, if Nick wanted the movie made, it would have been made. So I guess Nick is to blame? I thought Paramount was only distribution?
That makes sense, like everything, there is always a main company. Sounds like a mess.
So I had a friend asking me about the leak, and so I quickly searched tumblr..and saw this:
lmao, Satch how you feel about this?
"I just saw the new episode of. Korra Long live the queen I think was another leak, anyways the most exciting part was when Mako almost all the time was saying to Bolin:
We need to save Korra ..he didnt say we need to save Asami and Korra, He said KORRA!!
We need to save Korra ..he didnt say we need to save Asami and Korra, He said KORRA!!
lmao, Satch how you feel about this?
If there is anything to salvage from Book 2 more than Book 1 is that even if a bad guy fails there may be lasting impact for the 4th Book. We've already expanded the universe and
Ba Sing Se is never going to be the same after episode 10.
As far as Bolin goes,
you guys are getting way too down on his character. It is telegraphed pretty hard he is going to do a special bending other than metal bending. I am betting money he will lavabend in the finale, after all there are 4 major threats each for team avatar to fight.
@azula
asami saved herself and korra already
so i feel great about it.
I know! Tumblr/shippers are so funny.
I was all:
After watching Episode 10, here are my thoughts:
-I feel sorry for Bolin, especially since it seems that the writing team haven't figured out what to do with him (outside from being the goof of Team Korra, who is an semi-average earth bender).
-I honestly don't know about you guys, but that Queen deserved what was coming for her. Good riddance.
-The whole sequence with Korra, Asami, & the crew being trapped in the desert was pretty engaging, and I laughed when the pilot was frozen in the seat & grasping the controls.
-If I recall correctly, the whole Ba Sing Si Revolution seems reminiscent of the 1911 Xinhai Revolution. When you can, you guys should do some research on it, as it's incredibly fascinating with the number of parallels that are drawn.
Permanently A
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Yeah, I noticed this too. He was all hunched over. I guess he is pretty damn old, but I'd like to see some of the Zuko anger.
HONOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!
tkscz
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I keep looking for this leak, can't seem to find it.
Zuko is 89 so he looks pretty good for his age
plus all the stress of trying to find Korra and recapture the Red Lotus members would've had an impact on him i'm guessing
plus all the stress of trying to find Korra and recapture the Red Lotus members would've had an impact on him i'm guessing
Astral Dog
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I felt a little bad for the earth queen, that death was brutal and unexpected, would have been nice for her to have another scene with Korra
Would be terrible if she did. Seriously, would completely undercut the scene/and undermine Zaheer's character. Would fuckin hate this so much. There would be no excuse for it either, given Jet died in ATLA. They can have death in this show.
Yeah well, outside
of the Earth Queen being killed (presumably), I don't recally them killing anyone that they didn't need to. They could have easily killed a lot oof people by now, but choose not to. I guess Zaheer was pretty ruthless with Aiwei though. So hmmm.
i don't think it would undermine zaheer's character. him not killing the earth queen would make him more of a gray character, rounding him out a bit and making him and his cause more sympathetic. outright evil characters are boring, and zaheer using non-lethal methods to further his cause would (i think) better fit with his philosophy.
tkscz
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Finally saw episode 10.
Normally I don't condone tortured deaths, but jeeze I can't help but feel the earth queen deserved that. They seriously made a character so unlikable that her tortured death doesn't seem so bad. For crying out loud, she was basically planning war against the rest of the earth kingdom for control over it. What makes her any different from Ozi?
Still hoping on Bolin to learn lava bending over metal bending.
Anarchy in Ba Sing Sa is something I want to see more of.
Zaheer's entire philosophy is that government's are the epitome of corruption and are the shackles that keep people from Freedom. The queen is an evil person that has killed and enslaved her own people. She's made them starve to death as she takes their money and food, all so she can live in decadence.
She's like everything Zaheer is against. I've seen nothing to suggest that Zaheer is an anarchist + pacifist. And given what we went through with Aang (and his entire plot written around avoiding violence and death), I would be extremely let down if we had another character, that refuses to use violence and death, when it's needed for a cause. So yeah, I think it would undermine the character for sure. But that's just me. If we didn't already have a story about pacifism, maybe I wouldn't feel that way.
As great as Aang's plot was (I know to a degree, it was the writers way of getting around violence in a kids show), I would hate to go back down that route. The scene with the Queen being deprived of breath was brutal. If it was just a fake out, and she really just passed out, then the scene would lose its impact for me. Personally. But I actually do agree with you that, Zaheer not killing her would make him less of a clear cut villain, and more gray. SO maybe that would make for an interesting plot twist. But I dunno.
I'm just ready for someone using violence in this universe. Violence, for better or worse, is a reality to life. I've always felt ATLA's world felt a little strange without it.
She's like everything Zaheer is against. I've seen nothing to suggest that Zaheer is an anarchist + pacifist. And given what we went through with Aang (and his entire plot written around avoiding violence and death), I would be extremely let down if we had another character, that refuses to use violence and death, when it's needed for a cause. So yeah, I think it would undermine the character for sure. But that's just me. If we didn't already have a story about pacifism, maybe I wouldn't feel that way.
As great as Aang's plot was (I know to a degree, it was the writers way of getting around violence in a kids show), I would hate to go back down that route. The scene with the Queen being deprived of breath was brutal. If it was just a fake out, and she really just passed out, then the scene would lose its impact for me. Personally. But I actually do agree with you that, Zaheer not killing her would make him less of a clear cut villain, and more gray. SO maybe that would make for an interesting plot twist. But I dunno.
I'm just ready for someone using violence in this universe. Violence, for better or worse, is a reality to life. I've always felt ATLA's world felt a little strange without it.
As I said in my previous post, I think a true believer of Zaheer's philosophy would be someone who would see the kings and queens as much slaves of the monarchy system as the common folks. In Buddhist philosophies, the suffering of the world is actually the lesser illusion that keeps us in the cycle of reincarnation compared to the bliss. In fact, some of the buddhists hells are essentially paradises, but are bad because they incline the soul to stay in the cycle of reincarnation. So the Earth Queen is as much a victim of monarchy as anyone else, as far as a philosophical perspective goes.
This isn't a big deal though. Zaheer is human, so he is prone to his own biaes and faults, and we all have a natural inclination to see those we see as evil suffer, whether they deserve that suffering or not. I hope it's a concept that gets explored, but I'm not betting on it. Still, it's an interesting thing to linger on.
This isn't a big deal though. Zaheer is human, so he is prone to his own biaes and faults, and we all have a natural inclination to see those we see as evil suffer, whether they deserve that suffering or not. I hope it's a concept that gets explored, but I'm not betting on it. Still, it's an interesting thing to linger on.
Edit: Azula, do you ever not edit your posts?
well i agree with you that given how the events unfolded, a fake out would be disappointing, simply because it is a great scene. but i think that the writers going in a different direction, one where zaheer wouldn't kill (or apparently kill) the queen could have worked better.
plus zaheer using his power to impose his wants and desires and philosophy on a group of people basically already undermined his character
plus zaheer using his power to impose his wants and desires and philosophy on a group of people basically already undermined his character
It's a spoiler bar. The very first thing you should expect from it is spoilers, ESPECIALLY since for the last page people have been posting about how episode 10 leaked. Also why single me out when people have been doing the same thing throughout this entire page?
I'll tag it, but seriously.
Yeah, honestly I think it's better,
The earth queen wasn't likable at all, and plus I've watch far too much fiction where the good guy lets complete monsters go because (Killing them would make you like them,) No, sometimes when someone kills an entire village or caused the death of dozens of people and flat out laughs about you have to start wondering if not killing them would be more selfish.
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