Amon wasn't "evil" either, yet look at what happened and how he was treated.
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Amon is still superior to Zaheer. He had that air of power and swagger that Zaheer just isn't replicating, even though Zaheer's goals and compatriots are far more interesting than the Equalists.
It kind of felt like Zaheer decided to kill the Earth Queen on a whim, but it's mostly fine considering that this plot point was the obvious destination they were setting up across the season. Looks like we'll be going back to republic city soon.
Yeah, you would think Zaheer would have always had plans to take her out since he says the Red Lotus's goal is to remove all governments. That he was so close to the queen, seems kind of insane he didn't always plan to kill her given she represents everything he opposes, and her kingdom is one of the largest areas of oppressed people in the world.
So it makes you wonder what the fuck Zaheer wants so badly with Korra. If he has another motivation. Because it's strange that taking out the queen was on a whim, and the only reason he did it was to draw Korra out to the city so he can get here.
Something isn't right here. I'm expecting Zaheer isn't what we think he is.
So it makes you wonder what the fuck Zaheer wants so badly with Korra. If he has another motivation. Because it's strange that taking out the queen was on a whim, and the only reason he did it was to draw Korra out to the city so he can get here.
Something isn't right here. I'm expecting Zaheer isn't what we think he is.
Notice that they don't mentioned that the Earth Queen is murdered, died, assassinated, etc. They say "taken out"
Well, that's because he was voiced by Steve Blum. I think Rollin's is doing a good job and all, but you can't beat Steve Goddamn Blum.
They did the same for Jet who died. It's still a kids show, so death has to happen off screen and not be referred to directly. So it could go either way.
Admiral Woofington
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See ya later masked cowboy.
To be fair, I'm not saying you are wrong. I guess
I just don't think Zaheer is 100% clean. I mean, can we really say that, when he's willing to throw one of his faithful servants (who really did nothing wrong) to the wolves? I mean, condemning someone too eternity is pretty crazy. At least to me, it was pretty telling that Zaheer is willing to dispose of his own people if they become a liability.
That said, I guess I would rather Zaheer NOT be a typical evil villain. I would rather he be more gray. So I can see where you guys are coming from too. I sort of wish they hadn't done the violent choking scene if it was just for the sake of a fake out. But I guess we'll just have to see. I do find it interesting that Zaheer's motivations for taking the Queen out, was to get Korra to come back. His goal is to capture her -- not to get rid of the queen, or take down her reign. At least, that wasn't his immediate goal. So that might also hint at him not killing her. It could just be an illusion to draw her out.
The question then is, would you guys rather have an actual revolution in Ba Sing Se? Or would you rather have it be smoke and mirrors, just temporary chaos, to lure Korra out to a spot. Personally, I would prefer the former over the latter.
That said, I guess I would rather Zaheer NOT be a typical evil villain. I would rather he be more gray. So I can see where you guys are coming from too. I sort of wish they hadn't done the violent choking scene if it was just for the sake of a fake out. But I guess we'll just have to see. I do find it interesting that Zaheer's motivations for taking the Queen out, was to get Korra to come back. His goal is to capture her -- not to get rid of the queen, or take down her reign. At least, that wasn't his immediate goal. So that might also hint at him not killing her. It could just be an illusion to draw her out.
The question then is, would you guys rather have an actual revolution in Ba Sing Se? Or would you rather have it be smoke and mirrors, just temporary chaos, to lure Korra out to a spot. Personally, I would prefer the former over the latter.
I don't think she can use that ability in the middle of a fight. It takes incredible focus and no physical resistance from your opponent.
Full disagree. I feel like they turned Amon into a 'stache twirler third act to get away from the fact that he was totally right. Good ends, bad means. Zaheer IMO hasn't done anything that betrays who I've seen him to be.
Amon's biggest betrayel only came at the end so I think it's best to wait before saying that Zaheer is different.
Still, they're pretty different in how they approach things. Amon was much more into theatrics and spectacles, while Zaheer keeps it low key and sneaky.
Being a kids show (to some extent),
I'm shocked they let the scene where he was suffocating her go through at all. That was actually pretty brutal.
Yeah, also t
hey tried to soften it by having Zaheer say "Darkness" instead of "death" at the end of his little "air is essential" monologue.
TheRealTalker
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I really do hope that
Even though
The Earth Queen is dead
Even though
it was a harsh way to go out, she was still an annoying/greedy/evil person
It was subtle and effective, but still felt like it was done as a sort of minor censorship.
Well, yeah. Of course. But I don't feel like anyone can be upset about this. I mean, we're adults watching a children's cartoon. This sort of thing has to happen.
Spring-Loaded
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Have they even said the word "kill" in the either series so far?
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That scene made me bend bricks
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Zaheer actually killing the Earth Queen would make him morally gray, imo. So far, he nor his team have really done anything remotely bad aside from beat people up — Amon's methods were more evil. Attempting to kidnap Korra just seems misguided rather than outright evil. Even if their methods to restoring balance are questionable, their motivations are admirable. This would be the first daring thing they've done.
That scene made me bend bricks
Spring-Loaded
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That's what I figured. It's probably only been used in reference to someone dying of old age, or talking about attempts to kill someone.
You won't hear me say Amon in full was well handled.
I just think Amon's presence throughout his run was more impressive than Zaheer's.
Not to say that the latter has been lacking.
Hidden One
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Was not expecting
the Earth Queen to be killed. Yeah Imma say killed because that's what it was. >_>
No, she was taken out...to lunch, but the restaurant they went to had such long waiting times that she asked Zaheer to take the throne while she waited.
WrenchNinja
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I hope it's a fake out.
It certainly does leave some room for a plot twist, doesn't it?
In-universe, this wouldn't really make any sense, unless Zaheer and co. are intentionally misleading everyone else.
I mean, it's only natural that the characters would ask the same questions people here are asking if they just keep hearing that the Earth Queen was "taken out" over and over again. The only reason for them not to be trying to sort this out is that the show isn't allowed to talk about the character dying such that this is the closest they can come to showing the characters learning that EQ died.
Now, maybe Zaheer just wants people to think that EQ is dead, but it's hard to see why he would. He's perfectly willing to effectively kill inconvenient accomplices, so unless he's got some use for EQ later (which would be...?) I don't think there's hope.
Now, maybe Zaheer just wants people to think that EQ is dead, but it's hard to see why he would. He's perfectly willing to effectively kill inconvenient accomplices, so unless he's got some use for EQ later (which would be...?) I don't think there's hope.
CreeperBlocks
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I have this feeling this red lotus stuff will continue into the final season. There's no way they can finish this in three episodes.
no it doesn't
it's just stuff they talk around to keep that Y7 rating
the DCAU shows ran into the same thing
I mean they said
the reign of the Earth Queen came to a sudden and violent end, after showing Zaheer literally bending the air out of her lungs and her choking nearly to death
i could see that. henry rollins' excellent voice acting strikes again
WrenchNinja
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I just think, even with the Ai Wei thing, he didn't actually go and kill him. I'd like if he was still acting as such under Air Nomad beliefs as he could. Him showing off how easily he could kill someone and in such a gruesome manor is still pretty frightening.
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The fuck is season 2?
Icyflamez96
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Yeah I see. I guess I don't really know what to think about him for sure.... I don't think the "take out" was a "fake out" but I really hope it wasn't. That would be the only thing in the whole series that would legit make me mad, unless it went along with some kind of AMAZING plot twist.
And the former would be much better.
And the former would be much better.
Only good part was separating Korra and Mako.
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and Wan
And Wan. I was more invested in him than the rest of the show.
Never noticed that Korra had boob physics and I swear her boobs shrunk after season 1 >_>.
Can we talk about how fucking awful Korra's ponytail is? Srsly, like 80% cuter with it down.
Thatonemoor
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Pretty sure she wears her hair like that to keep hair from getting in her face when fighting. It's not "cute" but it's practical.
Spring-Loaded
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She should wear her hair natural. I think an afro would look good on her.
heliosRAzi
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Nah, twists, man
So what's the rules in regards to spoilers now? Just in case, even though the episode aired a while ago.
Korra and Asami busting out was good as expecting, I even liked the stuff with Bolin and Mako. Actually killing the Earth Queen should be interesting, it's not like in ATLA where there was someone in charge. The imagery of the walls coming down was great too, I'm interested how they will handle the different castes interacting within the city now.
It's out, isn't it?
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Are we still tagging spoilers for Episode 10? It's been almost half a day, come on, and leaked since Wednesday.
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