Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Walmart

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Skeyser said:
What difference would it make? Shooting at cops, no matter if they're in the wrong or not, will always end terribly for you, most likely dead or life in jail.
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I mean that cops are just people subject to all the same vices, faults and poor judgement as anyone else so it makes zero sense to allow them exclusive access to weapons.
 
Do they usually release camera footage with these kinds of incidents in the US? I can imagine cameras in the Wallmart picking it up on film.

Also damn it's horrible for the GF, she was in a different aisle when she heard shots.
 
Sean*O said:
I mean that cops are just people subject to all the same vices, faults and poor judgement as anyone else so it makes zero sense to allow them exclusive access to weapons.
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In Japan where police effectively have exclusive access to firearms, any police use of a firearm for any kind of reason whatsoever immediately attracts an incredible amount of scrutiny. As such, police rarely use their firearms.
 
LNBL said:
Do they usually release camera footage with these kinds of incidents in the US? I can imagine cameras in the Wallmart picking it up on film.

Also damn it's horrible for the GF, she was in a different aisle when she heard shots.
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There's no way it isn't on camera, but the police probably wont let them release it, it sounds like the cops fucked up.
 
LNBL said:
Do they usually release camera footage with these kinds of incidents in the US? I can imagine cameras in the Wallmart picking it up on film.

Also damn it's horrible for the GF, she was in a different aisle when she heard shots.
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They sometimes get released once made public record, and Walmart is more than able to release them unless there is some kind of injunction against Walmart from releasing them. We probably will not see the videos until the case makes it to trial.
 
TheBryanJZX90 said:
In Japan where police effectively have exclusive access to firearms, any police use of a firearm for any kind of reason whatsoever immediately attracts an incredible amount of scrutiny. As such, police rarely use their firearms.
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I wish that could be easily transferred to the US...

There is no way in hell Americans will ever relinquish their firearms, it'll take a catastrophic event (or a load of black people and Muslims open carrying in Washington DC) for that to even happen. Guns are embedded in the American Psyche, in such a pervasive manner that it is absolutely impossible to get leverage on this issue.

It is actually quite sad, as it just causes a load of escalation: people want guns to feel safe, the police say they want guns to feel safe against the people who are all armed, so the police get more guns and more powerful ordnance, the people who were worried about feeling safe keep hearing shit about how the government's going to take their guns away, they see the escalation in the police, etc, decide that they need more guns to feel safe, the cycle continues...
 
Cheddahz said:
i believe there should be reinforcements, but all of this news has been making me kind of pissed off lately
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I really don't know how good USA judicial system is, but I believe he can't just bribe and be free. If that cop go over - he will be punished. At the end, cops just people as every one else, so assholes there too.
 
Jmanunknown said:
They will not release the video. Lawsuits will be coming for the police department and walmart. The cops killed someone in the store after a couple racially profiled him.
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I think that's the part that really screwed the guy over. The cops came in thinking that the gun was real and the man was a threat. They were not going in to negotiate.

Even the open carry nuts announce their arrival well beforehand. They're not suicidal.
 
Nobody caught this on video? If it's just eyewitnesses saying police shot him before/while telling him to get on the ground vs. cops who say they warned him before firing, then the cops are going to get off. Terrible.
 
The Faceless Master said:
that black cops are the worst. they act like they have something to prove to the world and feel this need to show they're one of the good ones.
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Or maybe they just are good people who understand the struggles of life?

You don't have to try to be a good person if you are a good person.
 
Do these two (apparent) racial profilers have social media pages? I can't believe no one has asked that yet. I'd just loooooove to see some of their opinions on... certain things.
 
watershed said:
Nobody caught this on video? If it's just eyewitnesses saying police shot him before/while telling him to get on the ground vs. cops who say they warned him before firing, then the cops are going to get off. Terrible.
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In my opinion, if this story went down as the cops want you to believe then I would think a shitload of people in Walmart at the time would have their phones out recording this. I'm starting to believe this dude was most likely in the toy isle looking at the fake guns, which no one would bother to record such a thing for obvious reasons. The couple see this black guy playing with a toy gun (despite the fact he's in a fucking toy isle amongst a shitload of other toy guns) and call the police. Police show up and pretty much drop the guy with a few rounds without question.
 
Yaphett Kotto said:
This is indefensible. Even after knowing that he was waving it around, there are still various ways of handling that situation.
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Depends on how obvious it was the gun was fake or exactly what he was doing with that gun. This is information that we need, and we shouldn't have knee jerk reactions like we did with the other shooting just the other day, in which it turns out the police were stopping a fleeing felon. We should just calmly wait until all the facts are in, and then we should roast the faulty party over the proverbial spit.

Crakatak187 said:
Sue that police department.
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Yes.
 
Angelus Errare said:
In my opinion, if this story went down as the cops want you to believe then I would think a shitload of people in Walmart at the time would have their phones out recording this. I'm starting to believe this dude was most likely in the toy isle looking at the fake guns, which no one would bother to record such a thing for obvious reasons. The couple see this black guy playing with a toy gun (despite the fact he's in a fucking toy isle amongst a shitload of other toy guns) and call the police. Police show up and pretty much drop the guy with a few rounds without question.
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I guess but then again if people were really fearing for their lives then you could say they didn't wish to take risks in recording someone with a weapon. Still, no footage of this is odd.

There is something going on with the police's story on using lethal means when he refused to put the 'toy gun'/air rifle down. I just can't see a father who was on the phone with the mother of his children suddenly refuse to cooperate with police and act like he's going to use a 'toy gun'/air rifle (that he got in the store no less) on them.
 
Any word from the other people that he was supposedly pointing the gun at that felt threatened? Why didn't other people call security?

Sounds like he was on the phone having a convo, while fiddling with the gun or fooling around paying no mind to the couple behind him that supposedly felt threatened. I just find it weird that of all the people in the store that he supposedly pointed the gun at, no one else had anything to say but the couple.
 
The One and Done™;124767413 said:
As someone who lived in the Midwest for years, "backwards" can describe several states in the Midwest.
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I agree that Ohio is backwards in a lot of ways. Crazy gun nut anti goverment BS all over the place. Widespread racism just isn't one of those ways. Believe me, if it were, I'd call it out.
 
TheChocolateWar said:
Depends on how obvious it was the gun was fake or exactly what he was doing with that gun. This is information that we need, and we shouldn't have knee jerk reactions like we did with the other shooting just the other day, in which it turns out the police were stopping a fleeing felon. We should just calmly wait until all the facts are in, and then we should roast the faulty party over the proverbial spit.
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I'm not making a knee jerk post. This is indefensible either way you look at it.
 
Is it weird that I've been silently crying over this for the past 10 minutes? I mean just why? Our world is just so cruel at times. I mourn the victim but I also mourn the cop. This kind of unnecessary leap to violence....it eats away at humanities soul.
 
I just saw this thing in person and it looks much faker than it does in the pictures in this thread, like ridiculously fake. So obviously plastic and the "clip" at the bottom is especially cheesy.
And the "I saw him loading it." (and still thought it was real) thing seemed like bullshit before, but knowing exactly how you load this thing it's just a lie, full stop.
 
only in America can you shoot up a movie theater while white and still get arrested, but god forbid your black and have a fake gun in a Walmart because then you just get killed. unreal.
 
I wish I could say I was surprised or whatever, but this happens so often it's like I've become desensitized to it.

"Oh another black person gunned down, must be Saturday".

I really don't like feeling this way.
 
They shouldn't sell those things period. Remember that kid that got shot for walking down the street holding a toy gun? I think he was like 11 or 12.
 
I don't understand why the people following him didn't tell a manager or tell an associate to get one. I understand with school shootings, and random killings like what happened in California have people on edge. But you have to use common sense as well. Now because of jumping to conclusions someone is dead.

This is just ridiculous. Some type of reform needs to be done for all police in the US.
 
siddhu33 said:
I wish that could be easily transferred to the US...

There is no way in hell Americans will ever relinquish their firearms, it'll take a catastrophic event (or a load of black people and Muslims open carrying in Washington DC) for that to even happen. Guns are embedded in the American Psyche, in such a pervasive manner that it is absolutely impossible to get leverage on this issue.

It is actually quite sad, as it just causes a load of escalation: people want guns to feel safe, the police say they want guns to feel safe against the people who are all armed, so the police get more guns and more powerful ordnance, the people who were worried about feeling safe keep hearing shit about how the government's going to take their guns away, they see the escalation in the police, etc, decide that they need more guns to feel safe, the cycle continues...
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Exactly the reason some here won't give up guns... Who will protect them from the police?

Not my view, but all things considered, I can't really blame them...
 
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