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[Camp Lo]

so you can picture a cop sitting in his cruiser, looks over, sees a black guy minding his own business and decides to have target practice?

The badge wouldn't stop him from doing whatever he wanted to do. Cops commit crimes all the time, they're not above it. In the context of what you're replying to why wouldn't that be just as plausible as a non-LEO?

 

[BFIB]

Well, I was due to be on site to oversee network installs with Telcom on a few sites down in the Ferguson area with the company I work for.

Our meetings have been cancelled, due to increased safety measures.

 

[User 406]

well crafted and true, but at the end of the day they're still looting and rioting opportunist criminals.

Exactly. There are rules. You can't break the rules just because yet another black kid murdered by police makes even more excruciatingly clear the already ever present and oppressive truth that the social contract does not apply to you, that you will never be able to follow the rules and succeed, that the rules will keep being unfairly applied to you to keep you down, that you will always be suspect, always be hated, and always be the bad guy no matter how well you follow those rules. Why would anyone get angry enough to break those rules? It's just unthinkable.

 

[PoweredBySoy]

I wish we all could.

I like his posts.

 

[NEOPARADIGM]

so you can picture a cop sitting in his cruiser, looks over, sees a black guy minding his own business and decides to have target practice?

Extreme though your example is, would it really be much different than something like this, just taken to the next level?

 

[King Cobra]

The thread title says a 17 year old black boy was executed.

They have to get clickbait somehow, if the title was more accurate like "Man killed after trying to reach for officer's gun" it wouldn't be so innocent anymore.

 

[jordan0386]

They have to get clickbait somehow, if the title was more accurate like "Man killed after trying to reach for officer's gun" it wouldn't be so innocent anymore.

Its not clickbait. Its a good chance that's what happened.

Did you not see the picture of his body in the street?

 

[Malyse]

They have to get clickbait somehow, if the title was more accurate like "Man killed after trying to reach for officer's gun" it wouldn't be so innocent anymore.

Please leave

 

[Gordon Shumway]

They have to get clickbait somehow, if the title was more accurate like "Man killed after trying to reach for officer's gun" it wouldn't be so innocent anymore.

Who are "they" exactly, sport?

 

[Bradlums]

And there was NO provocation. Stop trying to make the dead boy some kind of aggressor. He was no where near the cops cruiser.

He wasn't by the car when he was shot, but he was by the car when the initial altercation happened. I love the double standards here though, you know for a fact that he did nothing wrong and yet everything I say is a racist assumption

 

[Jackpot]

They have to get clickbait somehow, if the title was more accurate like "Man killed after trying to reach for officer's gun" it wouldn't be so innocent anymore.

I remember you displaying some heinous morals in another thread.

 

[Spehornoob]

Not gonna pretend I know what happened. But arresting people for rallying and protesting is really fucking wrong.

 

[Bradlums]

Who are "they" exactly, sport?

The article posters?

 

[Vicetrailia]

If the sole issue is racism, and self-destructive behavior is not a factor, then all those poor white people didn't get the memo.

If you want to go this route prepare for the statistics. What you call self-destruction is an opinion not based on facts and critical thinking.

 

[King Cobra]

Its not clickbait. Its a good chance that's what happened.

Did you not see the picture of his body in the street?

Yes, did you read the police report? There is a good chance does not trump the actual report filed.

Who are "they" exactly, sport?

The people posting this articles using this kind of wording..... oh wait are you trying to make this a race thing?

I remember you displaying some heinous morals in another thread.

Heinous is such a harsh word, I prefer brutally unbiased.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

The article posters?

Is he the fucking Borg?

 

[Bradlums]

Not gonna pretend I know what happened. But arresting people for rallying and protesting is really fucking wrong.

People are being arrested for looting and vandalism, big difference

 

[Jaeger]

He wasn't by the car when he was shot, but he was by the car when the initial altercation happened. I love the double standards here though, you know for a fact that he did nothing wrong and yet everything I say is a racist assumption

Numerous witnesses said no such fucking thing happened.

They have to get clickbait somehow, if the title was more accurate like "Man killed after trying to reach for officer's gun" it wouldn't be so innocent anymore.

The fuck.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

People are being arrested for looting and vandalism, big difference

They said they'd arrest anyone who tries to go to the rally. Also different, no? Or are we gleefully gonna lump everyone together?

 

[rjinaz]

They have to get clickbait somehow, if the title was more accurate like "Man killed after trying to reach for officer's gun" it wouldn't be so innocent anymore.

The reports say that there was a struggle for the gun in the car, the guy was shot, didn't get the gun, and then attempted to flee. Assuming this is all accurate which it may not be but assuming it is, I still don't see why shooting several times an unarmed man in the back as he is fleeing is acceptable. At that point he doesn't pose as a lethal threat that needs to be gunned down. A criminal making stupid decisions, absolutely. In this scenario I don't think anybody would say he is innocent. But in my mind what the officer did, was over-the-line.

 

[Bradlums]

Is he the fucking Borg?

Could you reiterate please

They said they'd arrest anyone who tries to go to the rally. Also different, no? Or are we gleefully gonna lump everyone together?

Oh well that I get, I thought he was talking about last nights debacle

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Are you speaking for him, Tyler?

 

[Jaeger]

Innocent until goddamn proven guilty. Unless he's already dead.

 

[benjipwns]

Innocent until goddamn proven guilty. Unless he's already dead.

SOFT ON CRIME

 

[marrec]

Innocent until goddamn proven guilty. Unless he's already dead.

Wouldn't the cop be presumed innocent until proven otherwise as well though?

 

[Malyse]

I feel that a lot of the SO of people in this thread would have the same reaction that Reddit troll's wife did, were they to see the disgusting lack of empathy on display here.

 

[benjipwns]

Wouldn't the cop be presumed innocent until proven otherwise as well though?

He shouldn't have to be found guilty in a trial to get fired. (And probably not even then.)

 

[Bradlums]

Exactly. There are rules. You can't break the rules just because yet another black kid murdered by police makes even more excruciatingly clear the already ever present and oppressive truth that the social contract does not apply to you, that you will never be able to follow the rules and succeed, that the rules will keep being unfairly applied to you to keep you down, that you will always be suspect, always be hated, and always be the bad guy no matter how well you follow those rules. Why would anyone get angry enough to break those rules? It's just unthinkable.

Your sarcasm is just too much for my feeble, racist brain to comprehend so I'll just ask you a simple yes or no question. Do you think these people were justified in looting and vandalizing?

 

[rjinaz]

Wouldn't the cop be presumed innocent until proven otherwise as well though?

Is he not? Let's see, one person got a death sentence and the other a paid suspension. Which one is getting the chance to be innocent until proven guilty?

 

[Jaeger]

Wouldn't the cop be presumed innocent until proven otherwise as well though?

He should be treated like anyone who shoots down someone in cold blood. Jailed, pending trial.

Not put on paid leave.

 

[Chums Knifeblade]

Tut-tut. Look at these foolish black people rioting. They take a flimsy excuse like spending their entire lives being treated as second class citizens, being persecuted on a daily basis by security and police, being redlined out of prospering neighborhoods, being cheated out of a decent education, being unable to get decent jobs because of racism, being incarcerated an order of magnitude more often than other groups, and being continually portrayed as ugly and threatening in every corner of mass media, and just because of that decide to lose their shit. Just because blacks have learned over a lifetime that the rules the rest of society benefit from don't apply to them, and that regardless of whether they attempt to follow those rules or not they'll still be treated unfairly and will never be given an honest chance, they can't just explode in rage and break them! They have to respect the system that has been overwhelmingly rigged against them for over 200 years. They have to keep eating the shit plate they've been served and express any dissatisfaction with it in a nice non-threatening calm way that's acceptable to the upstanding white society whose acceptance they have yet to earn. If they let a never ending lifetime of enduring insult after insult and injury after injury provoke them into sudden outbursts of anger, they'll never convince the rest of us that they deserve to stop being insulted and injured. Riot and ruin those already ruined and economically suppressed places they can't afford transportation out of? They're clearly just doing it to themselves.

When are black people finally going to take responsibility for being persecuted and properly react to that persecution in an approved fashion? America's been benevolently waiting so long for them to get their necks out from under our boots, but without jostling us in the process, of course. I guess they'll just stay where we forced them to be until they wise up. The ball is in their court.

Now let's spend more pages focusing on pictures of individual rioters with sagging pants, since that's a far more serious issue than the sanctioned systemic murder and incarceration of young black men. Tut-tut.

 

[benjipwns]

He should be treated like anyone who shoots down someone in cold blood. Jailed, pending trial.

Not put on paid leave.

What's the point of becoming one of the kings men if you don't get privileges the peasants don't?

 

[Jaeger]

Tut-tut. Look at these foolish black people rioting. They take a flimsy excuse like spending their entire lives being treated as second class citizens, being persecuted on a daily basis by security and police, being redlined out of prospering neighborhoods, being cheated out of a decent education, being unable to get decent jobs because of racism, being incarcerated an order of magnitude more often than other groups, and being continually portrayed as ugly and threatening in every corner of mass media, and just because of that decide to lose their shit. Just because blacks have learned over a lifetime that the rules the rest of society benefit from don't apply to them, and that regardless of whether they attempt to follow those rules or not they'll still be treated unfairly and will never be given an honest chance, they can't just explode in rage and break them! They have to respect the system that has been overwhelmingly rigged against them for over 200 years. They have to keep eating the shit plate they've been served and express any dissatisfaction with it in a nice non-threatening calm way that's acceptable to the upstanding white society whose acceptance they have yet to earn. If they let a never ending lifetime of enduring insult after insult and injury after injury provoke them into sudden outbursts of anger, they'll never convince the rest of us that they deserve to stop being insulted and injured. Riot and ruin those already ruined and economically suppressed places they can't afford transportation out of? They're clearly just doing it to themselves.

When are black people finally going to take responsibility for being persecuted and properly react to that persecution in an approved fashion? America's been benevolently waiting so long for them to get their necks out from under our boots, but without jostling us in the process, of course. I guess they'll just stay where we forced them to be until they wise up. The ball is in their court.

Now let's spend more pages focusing on pictures of individual rioters with sagging pants, since that's a far more serious issue than the sanctioned systemic murder and incarceration of young black men. Tut-tut.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Completely agree. I've actually talked to some local police officers about having cameras on the dash or even having them on as part of the uniform. I had these conversations while I met with police as part of my last job. They did not like the idea of having everything they do monitored the entire time they are on shift especially times when they aren't doing anything but sitting in their cars (picking their noses or other embarrassing things might occur). They would feel like times where they meet up with fellow officers just to talk, it could get them in trouble with their bosses, etc. Basically it would make the job suck worse for them where it is already a sucky job. It seems to be the biggest reason it hasn't happened yet, because the police are strongly against it.

But I think a good compromise would be that video recorded by police are not monitored or watched unless a crime occurs in which watching the video would be necessary and requested during an investigation. This would be law and there would be strict procedures, as in the police would know for certain they aren't being monitored or spied on while on duty. I think that would make cops feel easier about it if they knew that was the case and everybody wins. Sure many cops won't like it, but pretty much too bad. You have a loaded weapon and have complete authority over civilians. In a free society your actions need to be recorded.

It definitely sucks for cops, but I think at some point you have to decide whether the inconvenience is outweighed by the utility. On one hand having certain policies for what should and shouldn't be recorded might alleviate some of those concerns, but that might still offer too much opportunity for bad actors to hide their misdeeds.

I think the best option is to put it in terms of how it helps the officers. They had a story on Ars Technica recently about how video footage protected officers from people saying that they'd been beaten, et al.

Give cops an easy-to-use system and emphasis "this is to protect you" and I think you'll get less pushback.

There definitely needs to be a robust system in place for securing the footage, backing it up and also making sure it's not accessible. The "put it in the cloud!" response from earlier in this thread seems really ignorant to how that could be a massive privacy invasion in most scenarios, as well as just feeding the mob mentality before facts are in.

 

[commedieu]

Yes those poor souls, I hope those rims that they are stealing from that autozone will help them cope.

You aren't even trying to participate in these threads. You're just replying to my post to someone else about their inability to understand football riots, or riots in general with a rims joke.

Classy king.

 

[abadguy]

Tut-tut. Look at these foolish black people rioting. They take a flimsy excuse like spending their entire lives being treated as second class citizens, being persecuted on a daily basis by security and police, being redlined out of prospering neighborhoods, being cheated out of a decent education, being unable to get decent jobs because of racism, being incarcerated an order of magnitude more often than other groups, and being continually portrayed as ugly and threatening in every corner of mass media, and just because of that decide to lose their shit. Just because blacks have learned over a lifetime that the rules the rest of society benefit from don't apply to them, and that regardless of whether they attempt to follow those rules or not they'll still be treated unfairly and will never be given an honest chance, they can't just explode in rage and break them! They have to respect the system that has been overwhelmingly rigged against them for over 200 years. They have to keep eating the shit plate they've been served and express any dissatisfaction with it in a nice non-threatening calm way that's acceptable to the upstanding white society whose acceptance they have yet to earn. If they let a never ending lifetime of enduring insult after insult and injury after injury provoke them into sudden outbursts of anger, they'll never convince the rest of us that they deserve to stop being insulted and injured. Riot and ruin those already ruined and economically suppressed places they can't afford transportation out of? They're clearly just doing it to themselves.

When are black people finally going to take responsibility for being persecuted and properly react to that persecution in an approved fashion? America's been benevolently waiting so long for them to get their necks out from under our boots, but without jostling us in the process, of course. I guess they'll just stay where we forced them to be until they wise up. The ball is in their court.

Now let's spend more pages focusing on pictures of individual rioters with sagging pants, since that's a far more serious issue than the sanctioned systemic murder and
incarceration of young black men. Tut-tut.

Two thumbs up!

 

[FreedomFighter]

Tut-tut. Look at these foolish black people rioting. They take a flimsy excuse like spending their entire lives being treated as second class citizens, being persecuted on a daily basis by security and police, being redlined out of prospering neighborhoods, being cheated out of a decent education, being unable to get decent jobs because of racism, being incarcerated an order of magnitude more often than other groups, and being continually portrayed as ugly and threatening in every corner of mass media, and just because of that decide to lose their shit. Just because blacks have learned over a lifetime that the rules the rest of society benefit from don't apply to them, and that regardless of whether they attempt to follow those rules or not they'll still be treated unfairly and will never be given an honest chance, they can't just explode in rage and break them! They have to respect the system that has been overwhelmingly rigged against them for over 200 years. They have to keep eating the shit plate they've been served and express any dissatisfaction with it in a nice non-threatening calm way that's acceptable to the upstanding white society whose acceptance they have yet to earn. If they let a never ending lifetime of enduring insult after insult and injury after injury provoke them into sudden outbursts of anger, they'll never convince the rest of us that they deserve to stop being insulted and injured. Riot and ruin those already ruined and economically suppressed places they can't afford transportation out of? They're clearly just doing it to themselves.

When are black people finally going to take responsibility for being persecuted and properly react to that persecution in an approved fashion? America's been benevolently waiting so long for them to get their necks out from under our boots, but without jostling us in the process, of course. I guess they'll just stay where we forced them to be until they wise up. The ball is in their court.

Now let's spend more pages focusing on pictures of individual rioters with sagging pants, since that's a far more serious issue than the sanctioned systemic murder and incarceration of young black men. Tut-tut.

 

[rjinaz]

It definitely sucks for cops, but I think at some point you have to decide whether the inconvenience is outweighed by the utility. On one hand having certain policies for what should and shouldn't be recorded might alleviate some of those concerns, but that might still offer too much opportunity for bad actors to hide their misdeeds.

I think the best option is to put it in terms of how it helps the officers. They had a story on Ars Technica recently about how video footage protected officers from people saying that they'd been beaten, et al.

Give cops an easy-to-use system and emphasis "this is to protect you" and I think you'll get less pushback.

There definitely needs to be a robust system in place for securing the footage, backing it up and also making sure it's not accessible. The "put it in the cloud!" response from earlier in this thread seems really ignorant to how that could be a massive privacy invasion in most scenarios, as well as just feeding the mob mentality before facts are in.

Oh I agree. Perhaps I wasn't clear in what I was saying. I think the police should be recorded the entire time they are on duty. There would never be a time they are not being recorded. I was referring to the video being watched after the fact that it would only ever be viewed by somebody during a criminal investigation.

Of course that could be a challenge, because the police could cover the camera or something else. The only possible solution I can think of is that a computer program monitors all feeds or recordings and if there is down time or alteration this would send up a flag. There would also be serious and legal consequences if video had been altered in some way.

 

[freddy]

If he failed to get the gun from the cop then he wasn't an immediate threat. The sentence for assaulting a cop or even attempted murder(in the unlikely scenario they could even stretch it that far) doesn't justify gunning down ununarmed civilian and a death sentence.

 

[Bradlums]

Hey guys, Sea mankeys post isn't at the bottom of the page, someone quote it again

 

[Protein]

Tut-tut. Look at these foolish black people rioting. They take a flimsy excuse like spending their entire lives being treated as second class citizens, being persecuted on a daily basis by security and police, being redlined out of prospering neighborhoods, being cheated out of a decent education, being unable to get decent jobs because of racism, being incarcerated an order of magnitude more often than other groups, and being continually portrayed as ugly and threatening in every corner of mass media, and just because of that decide to lose their shit. Just because blacks have learned over a lifetime that the rules the rest of society benefit from don't apply to them, and that regardless of whether they attempt to follow those rules or not they'll still be treated unfairly and will never be given an honest chance, they can't just explode in rage and break them! They have to respect the system that has been overwhelmingly rigged against them for over 200 years. They have to keep eating the shit plate they've been served and express any dissatisfaction with it in a nice non-threatening calm way that's acceptable to the upstanding white society whose acceptance they have yet to earn. If they let a never ending lifetime of enduring insult after insult and injury after injury provoke them into sudden outbursts of anger, they'll never convince the rest of us that they deserve to stop being insulted and injured. Riot and ruin those already ruined and economically suppressed places they can't afford transportation out of? They're clearly just doing it to themselves.

When are black people finally going to take responsibility for being persecuted and properly react to that persecution in an approved fashion? America's been benevolently waiting so long for them to get their necks out from under our boots, but without jostling us in the process, of course. I guess they'll just stay where we forced them to be until they wise up. The ball is in their court.

Now let's spend more pages focusing on pictures of individual rioters with sagging pants, since that's a far more serious issue than the sanctioned systemic murder and incarceration of young black men. Tut-tut.

Sounds like something I read out of 'The New Jim Crow'.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Oh I agree. Perhaps I wasn't clear in what I was saying. I think the police should be recorded the entire time they are on duty. There would never be a time they are not being recorded. I was referring to the video being watched after the fact that it would only ever be viewed by somebody during a criminal investigation.

Ah, no that was my faulty parsing of your sentence. That's pretty much my thoughts on the matter too.

 

[marrec]

Is he not? Let's see, one person got a death sentence and the other a paid suspension. Which one is getting the chance to be innocent until proven guilty?

Unfortunately the kid died. He cannot be presumed anything since he's dead. However the police officer being still alive and investigated should be presumed innocent of murder unless the facts show otherwise.

To be sure, the facts will very likely show otherwise because of the system he's being investigated by...

He should be treated like anyone who shoots down someone in cold blood. Jailed, pending trial.

Not put on paid leave.

I can't agree with this. It would put an undue burden on police officers in the future. Administrative leave makes the most sense when investigating the killing of someone by a cop.

I don't fully trust the system to find the actual truth unfortunately.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

The riots and looting completely took away the public perception leverage from the victim's family. It accomplished nothing but harm; Rather simple.

well crafted and true, but at the end of the day they're still looting and rioting opportunist criminals.

Get over yourselves.

 

[Jaeger]

I can't agree with this. It would put an undue burden on police officers in the future. Administrative leave makes the most sense when investigating the killing of someone by a cop.

I don't fully trust the system to find the actual truth unfortunately.

I understand that. I don't disagree, either. Paid leave is an atrocity in this situation, however.

 

[rjinaz]

To be sure, the facts will very likely show otherwise because of the system he's being investigated by....

Ain't that the sad truth...

 

[marrec]

I understand that. I don't disagree, either. Paid leave is an atrocity in this situation, however.

In a perfect world he would be put on paid leave until they found any evidence at all that the killing was unjustified and then would be immediately arrested.

 

[Bradlums]

Get over yourselves.

get over myself? why? people are looting and vandalizing and I need to get over myself? I ask you why

 

[Omegasquash]

Hey guys, Sea mankeys post isn't at the bottom of the page, someone quote it again

Until you get it, sure, why not.

Tut-tut. Look at these foolish black people rioting. They take a flimsy excuse like spending their entire lives being treated as second class citizens, being persecuted on a daily basis by security and police, being redlined out of prospering neighborhoods, being cheated out of a decent education, being unable to get decent jobs because of racism, being incarcerated an order of magnitude more often than other groups, and being continually portrayed as ugly and threatening in every corner of mass media, and just because of that decide to lose their shit. Just because blacks have learned over a lifetime that the rules the rest of society benefit from don't apply to them, and that regardless of whether they attempt to follow those rules or not they'll still be treated unfairly and will never be given an honest chance, they can't just explode in rage and break them! They have to respect the system that has been overwhelmingly rigged against them for over 200 years. They have to keep eating the shit plate they've been served and express any dissatisfaction with it in a nice non-threatening calm way that's acceptable to the upstanding white society whose acceptance they have yet to earn. If they let a never ending lifetime of enduring insult after insult and injury after injury provoke them into sudden outbursts of anger, they'll never convince the rest of us that they deserve to stop being insulted and injured. Riot and ruin those already ruined and economically suppressed places they can't afford transportation out of? They're clearly just doing it to themselves.

When are black people finally going to take responsibility for being persecuted and properly react to that persecution in an approved fashion? America's been benevolently waiting so long for them to get their necks out from under our boots, but without jostling us in the process, of course. I guess they'll just stay where we forced them to be until they wise up. The ball is in their court.

Now let's spend more pages focusing on pictures of individual rioters with sagging pants, since that's a far more serious issue than the sanctioned systemic murder and incarceration of young black men. Tut-tut.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

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