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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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And you know this how?
So it is okay to generalize hundreds of thousands of LEOs based upon the actions of a few. Okay.
Velcro Fly
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this sounds like stereotyping to me and i don't like it one bit. when much of the premise of the thread is that police disproportionately use force or detain blacks probably because of stereotyping, turning around and doing it right back defeats the entire purpose. please stop.
kame-sennin
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From Twitter:
Wesley Lowery said:
Wesley Lowery said:
That happened in March, there's no other news on it so far.
Kind of reminds me of what all the police departments in this country have been doing to blacks....
Nabs
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Here's the update from last week (watch the video): http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Officer-accused-of-harassing-St-Louis-man-270244091.html
This is just an asinine statement. Yes, there are assholes that happen to be cops, and while there are assholes in every job, these particular assholes also carry guns and get on a power trip. Does that mean all cops are bad? No.
jordan0386
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Cops start off well. But you get hardened by all the assholes walking the streets. Then everybody, except other cops, becomes a perp.
Chie Satonaka
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THESE. ARE. NOT. COMPARABLE. THINGS.
One is a protected group of people that's supposed to be free of racial discrimination and are American citizens who pay the salaries of police officers.
The others are... Police Officers.
Police are not a protected class. This is the most rage inducing shit in this entire fucking thread. Why do people continue to do this? There's a problem, and running into this thread or any other screaming #notallcops isn't productive and does nothing to further discussion.
Police work as an institution is pretty fucked up.
kame-sennin
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Cops aren't a race. They aren't a sexuality. They're not a gender identity. No one is born a cop. This is an incredibly stupid line of reasoning you've stumbled upon, and for all our sanity I hope you turn back now before you doom us all.
Until the rest of the good officers decide to hold the bad ones to a higher standard of behavior instead of covering for their bullshit, you're goddamn right.
Deal with it.
How so?
Clockwork5
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So the title of this thread....
He was 18
Not St. Louis cop.
"Executed" is specutation at best and inflammatory language to say the least.
I personaly hold GAF to a higher standard.
He was 18
Not St. Louis cop.
"Executed" is specutation at best and inflammatory language to say the least.
I personaly hold GAF to a higher standard.
Phoenix
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How long have you been a poster here?
EscoBlades
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Perspective. I do not think you know what that means.
Clockwork5
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Long enough to know people get banned for misinformation and thread titles are regularly edited to state the truth.
Police brutality is institutionalized. Many departments don’t provide adequate training in nonviolent solutions, standards for what constitutes brutality vary widely, consequences for misconduct are minimal, and police are increasingly militarized are just a few reasons as to why this isn't just anecdotes. Not to mention minorities being unfairly targeted. Also in NYC, a lot of the infractions you get ticketed and arrested for only serve corporate interests. Shit like selling loose cigarettes are hardly fucking crimes, it just an order issue by the cigarette companies to keep money in their pockets They don't "protect and serve" you and I in other words.
kame-sennin
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Because the police are an occupying army meant to project force in poor communities and protect/serve the persons and property of the ownership class. Police are the physical manifestation of state power, and the protectors of systemic inequality. It is an inherently fucked up job.
I will not speak for others in this profession, but I'll be damned before I destroy my career to cover another's lack of integrity. I know of many who share the same viewpoint as me.
From Twitter:
this is how the gov't responds when a cop murders an unarmed black child
People might call you a coward or apart of the problem for saying this but my uncle thinks the same way and I can't fault him considering he has to survive. You wont change this institution from the inside anyway.
kame-sennin
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According to twitter, media is being to told by police to leave the area.
That usually means police are getting ready to do some fucked up things.
That usually means police are getting ready to do some fucked up things.
THANK YOU. That's the whole point of what I said. The bad ones are protected by the good ones. But anyone protecting a bad person IS A BAD PERSON.
TheBryanJZX90
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So why do you generalize the behavior of the majority of cops as "good" based only on the limited number of cops you know personally?
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Doesn't matter how many cops are good if the institution always gives the bad ones a slap on the wrist for their bullshit.
Clockwork5
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Thank you for your service. A lot of misplaced hate around here.
It doesn't matter how many personally good people there are in the police force when their reason for existence is to uphold the rule of law of the capitalist order, the root cause and primary beneficiary of the suffering of black people in the United States.
nope. people are justified in their distrust and hatred of the police force. Keep your head in the sand tho
... it's called common sense.
Can someone generalize/stereotype all African Americans based upon the actions of a few in St. Louis?
Le sigh.
Pull New York and LA out of the equation. Do you still think so?
Ha ha. No.
that's not what people are saying. Saying the institution is corrupt has nothing to do with the moral compass of individual officers.
Yeah. Everything I said with the exception of cops working in favor of corporate interests by issuing fines in their favor applies nationwide.
Sorry I didn't know that you were born a member of the police department, thought that was a career choice.
And I think you are looking at a small sample and applying it to all police officers.
That used to be the case but lately misinformation is fine as long as it falls on the side most of the mods agree with.
hiphoptherobot
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There is some really dumb shit being said from people on both sides of this argument right now. Sorry, but it is fucking stupid to say that every police department in America is corrupt from top to bottom. Guess what, there are plenty of really good people out there that just
so happen to be cops. Maybe they even became cops because they are good people and wanted to do something productive for society. On the other side of the coin you have a bunch of dicks who became cops because they want to carry a gun around and bully people. Being a cop doesn't automatically turn you into an asshole and nor does it give
you the right to go around doing whatever you want.The point is they are all just people, both good and bad. I don't really get why that is so hard to understand.
so happen to be cops. Maybe they even became cops because they are good people and wanted to do something productive for society. On the other side of the coin you have a bunch of dicks who became cops because they want to carry a gun around and bully people. Being a cop doesn't automatically turn you into an asshole and nor does it give
you the right to go around doing whatever you want.The point is they are all just people, both good and bad. I don't really get why that is so hard to understand.
So much this.
Calling bullshit on fellow cops is the wrong way to go about it. 95% of St. Louis PD couldn't do jack shit to stop what happened or bring justice to the situation even if they wanted to with every fiber of their being. The unions make it extraordinarily difficult for proper oversight or even better civilian oversight. The suits at the top only care about re-election and statistics that make them look good in the eyes of a city council who manages their budget. Target the money people through politics. Hold THOSE people accountable for letting shitstains skate by for systemic oppression. If some grave injustice goes unpunished, do everything in your power to make sure the people that make decisions don't get to make decisions anymore. Speak their language and who knows, things might eventually get better
tensuke
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Isn't this how the government responds to riots, which is how the people respond when a cop murders an unarmed black child?
No. I'm not. The Police Institution doesn't have shit to do with individual officers. Were talking about how these organizations are ran and what behavior it facilitates and effectively condones from cops as a result.
Clockwork5
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Keep calling those who put their lives on the line every day cowards because of the unforgivable actions of a few. As a former employee of a mayor of A major city, I know a lot of police officers of all races. Your perspective is skewed.
kame-sennin
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What a well reasoned and thought out argument.
But the people didn't enter their homes, did they?
And what do you base this from?
Are they at their homes or not?
Velcro Fly
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Did the FBI decide to investigate before or after the looting last night? Sorry if that's been asked and answered but it's tough to sift through so many pages of posts.
No. They are in their yards.
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