Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Infinite said:
Definitely agree. The unfortunate thing is cops aren't trained well enough in non violent solution.
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One thing I have noticed, anecdotal mind you, is that female officers rarely (compared to males) get into altercations necessitating physical force where as the males tend to take less crap, less listening, and more doing. I will agree that more training is needed on simply communicating better with people.
 
i love how almost all of the posts in this thread feel that cops should cop to riots in just t-shirts and carry rainbows in their arms.

they weren't here when there was a peaceful protest. it was a response to a very real violent riot
 
Jmanunknown said:
I know it is a messed up situation but, not everyone is out to get the police.
I do find it funny you avoided the do you see every citizen as a criminal question but, I guess you left that up to interpretation.
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Avoided? I don't even know what you're referring to so I may have missed it. Link?
 
Boom Boom Pow said:
i love how almost all of the posts in this thread feel that cops should cop to riots in just t-shirts and carry rainbows in their arms.

they weren't here when there was a peaceful protest. it was a response to a very real violent riot
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That's not what happened. Cops defaced the young man's memorial and essentially bullied the peaceful protestors with their tanks and riot gear. That's why the damn riot happened
 
Boom Boom Pow said:
i love how almost all of the posts in this thread feel that cops should cop to riots in just t-shirts and carry rainbows in their arms.

they weren't here when there was a peaceful protest. it was a response to a very real violent riot
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Are you another one of those "I refuse to read the thread or watch the news, but here's what happened" types
 
silkysmooth said:
they were at the protest in riot gear

tonight they look like the invading force i watched on TV when we went into Iraq in 2003
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They always need to be ready. Small departments send their officers in riot gear because if anything goes south, they are there alone until backup arrives from surrounding counties and towns. In larger cities you get more regular uniformed officers plus some helmets or padding because the riot gear cops are hidden nearby or at potential locations where violence may occur.

Swat is also at a hand and does their duty as the cops they are. Difference is they are in their normal combat gear. They look a lot like Iraq because a lot of the extra gear the military bought was either given away or sold really cheap to police in the US. Small towns got MRAPs just because they could.
 
TheJLC said:
They always need to be ready. Small departments send their officers in riot gear because if anything goes south, they are there alone until backup arrives from surrounding counties and towns. In larger cities you get more regular uniformed officers plus some helmets or padding because the riot gear cops are hidden nearby or at potential locations where violence may occur.

Swat is also at a hand and does their duty as the cops they are. Difference is they are in their normal combat gear. They look a lot like Iraq because a lot of the extra gear the military bought was either given away or sold really cheap to police in the US. Small towns got MRAPs just because they could.
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In other words the statement in question was inaccurate as the police was always present in riot with out an actual riot occurring yet. Furthermore their brutish behavior is what prompted the initial riot according to the evidence.
 
TheJLC said:
They always need to be ready. Small departments send their officers in riot gear because if anything goes south, they are there alone until backup arrives from surrounding counties and towns. In larger cities you get more regular uniformed officers plus some helmets or padding because the riot gear cops are hidden nearby or at potential locations where violence may occur.

Swat is also at a hand and does their duty as the cops they are. Difference is they are in their normal combat gear. They look a lot like Iraq because a lot of the extra gear the military bought was either given away or sold really cheap to police in the US. Small towns got MRAPs just because they could.
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except they lack the mindset of the military trained and the military experience that comes with it. instead by having that gear the police are fulfilling a role that they aren't prepared for imo.
 
Infinite said:
In other words the statement in question was inaccurate as the police was always present in riot with out an actual riot occurring yet. Furthermore their brutish behavior is what prompted the initial riot according to the evidence.
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Oh I wouldn't doubt that their brutish behavior caused a riot, but wearing riot gear itself does not cause or mean there will be a riot. It's just a precaution in case protests do go south and turn into riots that is practiced in many cities and towns.

From the vids and pics I have seen, police were using brute force even before the protests and subsequent riot.
 
Two things coming out of this:

-- Sucks that we can see barely-hidden political leanings in every post claiming the cops are justified in any way here.

-- I do hope that the media latches onto the shocking militarization of the police force. My god.
 
block tower said:
except they lack the mindset of the military trained and the military experience that comes with it. instead by having that gear the police are fulfilling a role that they aren't prepared for imo.
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No you're correct. I would much rather trust the US military or National Guard in this type of roll, rather than a bunch of trigger-happy blues that jump at any chance to play robocop. They are not given military training and yet are behaving as if they are the military. Like giving a 16 year-old the keys to a formula one car after they've driven around the block a few times in an old pickup truck.

TAJ said:
Eh... A lot of cops are ex-military. Departments love them. My cousin in LA Sheriffs is an ex-Marine.
It's police structure and tradition that's toxic.
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That is true, I'm just referring to the ones who aren't I guess. I agree the police structure (nationwide) needs a huge overhaul.
 
PantherLotus said:
Two things coming out of this:

-- Sucks that we can see barely-hidden political leanings in every post claiming the cops are justified in any way here.

-- I do hope that the media latches onto the shocking militarization of the police force. My god.
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When I saw the trailer for Battlefield: The One That Glorifies Militarized Police Forces, my heart broke.
 
Elfforkusu said:
Well, kind of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_secession
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Missouri contributed 110,000 soldiers to the North in the Civil War (including my great-great grandfather, who did two tours) and about 50,000 to the South.

St. Louis was pretty much considered "Northern" territory, while it was the Western part of the state that was pro-South (where there was a lot of border fighting with Kansas).

But there was fighting all over the state. It was pretty much the front line in the Midwest. But in balance, it was mostly pro North.
 
Do the citizens have the right to open carry in a situation like this, assuming they are not former convicted felons? I don't know how I would react if I lived in that area, but I would damn well want to be armed even if I was just going out to check the mail.
 
speedline said:
Do the citizens have the right to open carry in a situation like this, assuming they are not former convicted felons? I don't know how I would react if I lived in that area, but I would damn well want to be armed even if I was just going out to check the mail.
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I'm sure that's fine if you want to be shot by the cops.
 
Boom Boom Pow said:
they weren't here when there was a peaceful protest. it was a response to a very real violent riot
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The communities don't seem represented in the force policing the people which is part of the problem. The police really need to double down on correcting this in my opinion but the desire needs to be there as well from both sides.
 
SierraOne said:
One thing I have noticed, anecdotal mind you, is that female officers rarely (compared to males) get into altercations necessitating physical force where as the males tend to take less crap, less listening, and more doing. I will agree that more training is needed on simply communicating better with people.
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The cop who immediately killed a kid holding a Wiimote at his own door was a woman. Come on now.

FunkyMunkey said:
No you're correct. I would much rather trust the US military or National Guard in this type of roll, rather than a bunch of trigger-happy blues that jump at any chance to play robocop. They are not given military training and yet are behaving as if they are the military. Like giving a 16 year-old the keys to a formula one car after they've driven around the block a few times in an old pickup truck.
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Eh... A lot of cops are ex-military. Departments love them. My cousin in LA Sheriffs is an ex-Marine.
It's police structure and tradition that's toxic.
 
SierraOne said:
Hyperbole is never a wise path to take.
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But in reality it really, really wasn't. Having finally finished reading the majority of the thread your posts have come off as quite defensive of police actions in the face of very legitimate criticism of police use of excessive force, and police corruption. Your defense of use of force on a pregnant woman is really pushing it, regardless of whatever message you've been trying to leave in this thread, never mind trying to compare a job occupation with race. We've had enough news stories of instances of Police misuse of force that when cases like these do come up I don't think it's really all that unjustified that we put the actions of agents of the state under a more firm microscopic when things like this do happen. Just because we can't fix the of police misuse of force definitively 100% doesn't mean we shouldn't try to fix anything. No one's asking for a Utopia, just that we at least try to do the right thing, because right now everything that's happened in the last 24hrs can be traced back to a Police fuck up.

Having a dismissive attitude in the face of legitimate criticism is, in reality, the real wise path never to take-and that goes double when dealing with societal issues and problems in dealing with agents of the state.
 
tensuke said:
Hey I know where I've seen this, it was on some feminist tumblr about how you should stereotype all men because some of them are bad. It was a monumentally stupid analogy then and it's a monumentally stupid analogy now.
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Except that not at all true since I wrote it in the fly and fuck that MRA bullshit. Also, you seem to have completely missed the point of the blog post and my comment, so please be silent in your ignorance.
 
TheJLC said:
They always need to be ready. Small departments send their officers in riot gear because if anything goes south, they are there alone until backup arrives from surrounding counties and towns. In larger cities you get more regular uniformed officers plus some helmets or padding because the riot gear cops are hidden nearby or at potential locations where violence may occur.

Swat is also at a hand and does their duty as the cops they are. Difference is they are in their normal combat gear. They look a lot like Iraq because a lot of the extra gear the military bought was either given away or sold really cheap to police in the US. Small towns got MRAPs just because they could.
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Just googled this. That's not a good idea. America really does want to look like some kind of lawless corrupt African country that needs to be armed to the teeth to combat terrorist cells and drug cartels. Chill out America your biggest problems are mouthy soccer moms and hipster bistros!
 
Ferguson Police swarming random vehicles for no reason with m16s. Breaking out people windows and beating people for no reason. These people were just parked in a public lot. They slam a 6 month pregnant woman to the ground. She screams “I’m pregnant!”:

and I don't know if this is true, but it's fucked up regardless:

Miles Maker ‏@milesmaker 6h

America: Police have banned all media from Ferguson, MO and closed it's roads--shutting it off from the outside world via @AntonioFrench
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Land of the Free, Greatest Nation on Earth, etc.
 
And some statistics on the area in terms of racial profiling:

Last year, for the 11th time in the 14 years that data has been collected, the disparity index that measures potential racial profiling by law enforcement in the state got worse. Black Missourians were 66 percent more likely in 2013 to be stopped by police, and blacks and Hispanics were both more likely to be searched, even though the likelihood of finding contraband was higher among whites.

Every year these numbers come out to little fanfare, in part because there isn’t enough political will to do the further study to break them down by precincts and individual officers to determine whether there is a cultural or training problem in entire departments or just a few rogue, racist cops who need to find another line of work.

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…In Ferguson, the city where Michael died, the police in 2013 pulled over blacks at a 37 percent higher rate than whites compared to their relative populations. Black drivers were twice as likely to be searched and twice as likely to be arrested compared to white drivers.
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NEOPARADIGM said:
The conspiracy crowd has been pointing this out for years already. But, you know, tinfoil hat nothing to see here.
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I found it alarming when I saw the response in Boston following the bombing there. It's like the city had an army. Some people pointed out that some of the resources were Homeland Security but still, they were distributed to police officers and used by them. Do we really need state level police to have that kind of vehicular and small arms power?
 
freddy said:
So basically he's racially profiled these kids as soon as he saw them and instigated the struggle himself and then shot one of them down.
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Pretty much. The witness is the friend who was walking along with Mike Brown when the cop stopped them.
 
If all this is true, then the police department needs to be taken over by the feds, as it's clearly no longer a police crime but a criminal organization. I don't think this can be proven though- the cops can deny, and no hard proof will ever exist. This is actually worse than the Rodney King riots now, and the damage to race relations is going to be worse.


I don't think all police forces are like this, but I'm not surprised at all that some are, especially in that part of the country.

Banning the media is going to make things worse as well, as the only news we're going to get is social media accounts, and it's going to lead to enhanced radicalization on both sides.
 
I feel like the police could march into some of your houses, take a shit on your kitchen table, kill your dog, fuck your wife and you'd still defend their actions. "It's my fault for having a late phone bill."
 
reggieandTFE said:
I feel like the police could march into some of your houses, take a shit on your kitchen table, kill your dog, fuck your wife and you'd still defend their actions. "It's my fault for having a late phone bill."
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They'd probably choke you to death afterwards for "resisting arrest" or "trying to reach for their gun".
 
kame-sennin said:
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The police dog being in the picture is probably the scariest part of this image to me. You don't need the dog there to sniff for drugs, right? You don't need the dog there to track someone, right? It's just there to intimidate people. Reminds me of some of the pictures from the Civil Rights movement.
 
https://medium.com/@mcbyrne/82e21325f622

Failing in Ferguson: How the police are doing everything wrong and why it’s dangerous for everyone

  1. Sending in the dogs. On the evening of the murder of Mike Brown, the police responded to the first wave of community anger and protest with German Shepherds. First, for historical reasons it is wrong for white police officers to show up in a predominately black community with attack dogs at a protest. Secondly, over policing creates an environment where anger accelerates.
  2. Dressing up in Riot Gear. You don’t wear your party shoes if you don’t want to dance. When the police dress up in their riot gear and plastic shields, they are sending the message that they are ready to fight the crowd. They are saying that they are protected and that they are willing to inflict harm on the demonstrators. This causes the demonstrators to up their anger level and it creates a cycle of escalation. It’s also is a slap in the face to the first amendment.
  3. Pointing Assault Weapons and Batons at Protesters: Guns/Batons are scary and lead to people dying. When police carry rifles to a protest, it tells the demonstrators that they are ready to kill you. Guns put peaceful protesters on edge and they cause people to overreact— chanting can become shouting, and marching can become running.
  4. Bringing in Military Vehicles: Again, the heavier the tools, the worse the response from a crowd out of fear and anger. An angry crowd in the US should never be treated like a war zone.
  5. Tear Gas: Tear gas should rarely, if at all be used on a crowd. First of all, folks with asthma can die from tear gas and since Ferguson is a poorer community, there is likely to be high asthma rates. Folks can also die or be critically injured if they are hit with a tear gas canister. The police made a decision to escalate the situation in Ferguson and every tear gas canister they deploy is another escalation.
  6. Telling Journalists to Go Home: The first amendment isn't pick and choose. Journalists have a right to observe and really an obligation to report. Again, banning journalists escalates a situation.

SO WHAT SHOULD HAVE THE FERGUSON POLICE DONE?

They should have gathered people of faith and trauma specialists to listen to the community. They should have ordered pizzas and sodas to feed people into night as they aired their anger and grievances. They should have packed away all need to fight the community. They should have committed to an open and transparent process for justice. They should have not relied on creating the conditions for a riot to cover up for their history of problematic policing. Yes, it was wrong for people to commit property damage but I am one-hundred percent confident that non-violent, non-aggressive policing would have prevented the outburst of rage.

It’s not too late for the Ferguson to stop failing. But in the meantime, the DOJ should send human rights observers to Ferguson and relive the current police of ther duties until the community regains trust and calm.
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This whole situation is sad.

The community needs to be all up in the local governments ass trying to fix this mess. Politicians will listen if their job is on the line.
 
andycapps said:
The police dog being in the picture is probably the scariest part of this image to me. You don't need the dog there to sniff for drugs, right? You don't need the dog there to track someone, right? It's just there to intimidate people. Reminds me of some of the pictures from the Civil Rights movement.
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Shaun King on twitter went on an amazing tear on Sunday:

Remember when George Zimmerman called Trayvon a thug to the 911 operator without ever meeting him?

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014

Remember when they said they heard a gunshot come from Amadou Diallo's wallet?

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014

Remember when they said Trayvon stole the skittles and Arizona Ice Tea?

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014

It's a 400 year OLD trick to attempt make a black man look like an animal, a thug, 3/5ths a man to justify violence against him.

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014

Don't let them call 17 y/o Michael Brown a thug. He was starting college on Monday!!!!!!!! http://t.co/tadi18SoZM pic.twitter.com/gDppITt596

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014

I am a man of peace, but I kid you not, these murders are causing anger & frustration to build up in me & millions of you. System failure.

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014

Don't tell me we don't have a problem. We have a big effin problem. I could document this problem all day & night. This is not OK.

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014

1964 in the South vs 2014 in Ferguson after the shooting of Michael Brown. 50 years later. Some things don't change. pic.twitter.com/7CmBBCbt0y

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014

Meet Oscar Grant. Broke up a fight on the subway. Shot & killed while handcuffed. Sitting down. Hands behind back. pic.twitter.com/K7HI5uls7f

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014

Meet Sean Bell. Shot at 50 times. Killed. On his wedding day. Police said they thought they saw a weapon. Not found. pic.twitter.com/JebwQ3O2vN

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014

Meet Amadou Diallo. Shot 41 times when police thought his wallet was a gun. Yeah right. All acquitted. pic.twitter.com/MOrAm1ZPX1

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014

Meet 13 y/o Andy Cruz. Popular boy. Shot 7 times & killed practicing with a BB gun in a field. Had headphones on. pic.twitter.com/fmpgTkQkYO

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014

Meet Jordan Davis. Shot and killed at a convenience store for refusing to turn down his music. pic.twitter.com/HBry4fRNJH

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014

Meet Jonathan Ferrell. Shot and killed looking for help after a car crash. pic.twitter.com/k7gbn4vuFx

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014

Meet 13 y/o Darius Simmons. Shot & killed by his neighbor while taking out the trash for his mother. pic.twitter.com/9QhqUtQTiK

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014

Meet John Crawford. 22 y/o. Holding his 3 day old son Jayden. Shot & killed inside Wal-Mart holding BB gun from store pic.twitter.com/49kg6hG2hr

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 10, 2014
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heliosRAzi said:
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Quoting this again.

pompidu said:
This whole situation is sad.

The community needs to be all up in the local governments ass trying to fix this mess. Politicians will listen if their job is on the line.
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This is much bigger than simple politics.
 
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