Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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AndrewDean84xX
Banned
I hope this is just the beginning of third party titles going exclusive to either XBO or PS4. Create some more diversity between the two. Either way the cookie crumbles, I'm covered.
yup. I regret buying SE products.
Yeah, that's my thought as well, we'll get a more concrete statement sometime.
The Antitype
Banned
*rolls eyes*
Yes, somebody with an Xbox avatar that has several gaffers on his PS4 friends list. Clearly I'm a Microsoft operative because I enjoy Halo and the look of Master Chief's Halo 4 armor.
This is a message board. If you came hear looking for an echo chamber of 'yes, yes, I agree entirely, you're so right' for 53 pages, I think your expectations may be a little off.
You and I have different positions, and I don't think I've trolled in the slightest. If a mod believes otherwise (or honestly, if several other people tell me otherwise), then I'll definitely exit.
no way man what about MGS!!!! hahaha
There's a big difference a lot of people are missing:
FF went from exclusive to multiplatform = more people enjoying the game.
Tomb Raider is going from multiplatform to exclusive = less people enjoying the game.
In FF case nobody lost anything, Xbox fan gained a new game to play, love and peace.
In this case Sony and PC fans are getting shunned despite being the biggest fanbase of the franchise.
I'm not trying to be flippant but isn't the end result the same really.
A game that comes out exclusively for one console irregardless of where it came from. Sony puts in the money to develop themselves. Microsoft puts the money into the property that they deem most valuable. End of the day they both get an exclusive game.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
It's actually 7 games, unless you talking about the PC versions which means no tomb raider game has been a true exclusive
Most importantly, the series only went console multi-platform in 2006 with legend.
I think the whole thing stinks personally, if the game originally had been announced as an exclusive, fair enough. But to announce it for all platforms then to take a money hat not to release it elsewhere is shady.
That said, I stand by my initial thought. I don't particularly care because I was never going to buy it anyway and Microsoft have managed a major coup which is good for them.
Is this really something so major that making it a full exclusive would be a priority? This doesn't seem like a game changing decision for Microsoft and the developer involved. In fact, if the sales of the port of the most recent game are any indication, they're banking on the wrong horse even though this doesn't seem like an IP worth such banking.
protomouse
Member
This. You sign deals. It happens all the time. Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo have all done this.
Which begs the question, was Rise of the Tomb Raider ever formally announced for non-Microsoft platforms? It was listed on Amazon, yes. It was assumed, yes. But this deal surely must have been in the works well before E3.
massivekettle
Member
Stop, please.
Your previous post was devoid of facts (mostly based on anecdotal evidence, at best, it seems) and you seem to ignore the very simple, straightforward fact that if the positives outweigh the negatives (from a financial/economic standpoint), then one should more often than not proceed with a project.
If a game costs X to port from PS2 to Xbox/GCN but promises to deliver 1.5X in revenues (all on a present-value basis), then the publisher would be stupid to refuse to port the game, unless bound by an exclusivity agreement with Sony.
The Final Fantasy brand is kinda shit right now so... I dunno what to tell you.
apollo1444
Neo Member
they are so gonna be disappointed with them sales
Meh.
I guess it's understandable. They're desperate and it's easier to do exclusive deals on hot upcoming games.
It's not going to get me to buy an X1 though. I can wait for a superior release.
Now if MS brought Mega Man Legends 3, Banjo Threeie, insert old IP that seems like it'll never come. Yes. I'd buy an X1 and praise them.
I guess it's understandable. They're desperate and it's easier to do exclusive deals on hot upcoming games.
It's not going to get me to buy an X1 though. I can wait for a superior release.
Now if MS brought Mega Man Legends 3, Banjo Threeie, insert old IP that seems like it'll never come. Yes. I'd buy an X1 and praise them.
That's awfully naive of you. But to answer your question, no.
Iorv3th
Member
I really hate this practice. If it were a new IP or something that's one thing, but I thought for sure it would continue being multiplatform, at least on PC. They even did a good job of adding a lot of extra stuff to the PC version last time.
Maybe i'll have an xbox one by then (most likely) but I don't like the idea of supporting square enix for doing this either.......
Maybe i'll have an xbox one by then (most likely) but I don't like the idea of supporting square enix for doing this either.......
Doubt it. Sony dedicated time to it at their press conference. That's coordinated between the two companies. If it was already in the works before E3 MS would have announced it then and Sony wouldn't have shown the trailer.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
You clearly trolled when you said PS4 owners bought tomb raider because there was nothing else to play like that was the number one reason why.
Then obviously that means all the other games that came out around that time were dead too?
Oh as well as dumping only playstation fans as the ONLY one who's mad about this situation. And then on top of that, naming two new IPs that we know nothing of that are not franchises that started back in 1990's like..
If you disagree, then disagree. But getting in your high horse and dismissing sane arguments the belittling them to fanboy BS because you can't see the difference between a NEW IP vs an ON GOING FRANCHISE, then clearly the only fanboy here is you.
And let me say this, having all consoles means nothing if you even think this shit is ok. Bias exist while you own both. Don't let your gaming trinity feel like you are exempt.
licktheenvelope
Member
Not putting a Tomb Raider on PC? Lolz.
Tomb Raider 2013 was heavily highlighted at the MS E3 conference, and yet I seem to recall it coming out on other platforms. It's almost as if there is nothing to be inferred from that.
If the game was already an exclusive at that time, it would have been clearly stated (repeatedly) at E3. It wasn't. It wasn't remotely presumptuous to assume that a game that was released across five platforms (including the "Definitive") would have its sequel come out on at least both current gen consoles. That's not just based on the predominant business models of generic 3rd party releases, but based on the previous game in the series.
They didn't do that for Plants vs Zombies.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
So, pretty much definitely a timed exclusive.
While I do plan to get an XB1, it's for Quantum Break, not Tomb Raider. I'll wait for the PS4 Definitive Version.
While I do plan to get an XB1, it's for Quantum Break, not Tomb Raider. I'll wait for the PS4 Definitive Version.
SkeptiMism
Member
That doesn't make any sense. Why would it be good to get 3rd party exclusives on another system by preventing them from the other system? Nothing wrong with creating new IPs and funding those, like Scalebound and Sunset Overdrive or Bloodborne. Those are good for diversity's sake. Not artificial exclusivity (i.e. forcing it by moneyhatting).
The Antitype
Banned
Are you kidding me?
I don't think the notion that games released during the lulls in the immediate post-launch window benefit from a lack of competition and an audience hungry for new content is particularly revolutionary.
That doesn't mean the games released on the platform were bad, it just means there was like 8 months between the initial launch lineup and the next big round of games. Tomb Raider found a sweet spot to release in and benefited. No different than several of the games that released on Xbox 360 through the latter half of 2005. I mean, hell, Prey sold several million copies. Prey.
Crazy and unexpected. An interesting move to go against UC4 but a bad deal for PS4/PC crowd.
Guy threw out the bigger tombs line today but we'll see I suppose.
Sony in panic mode: Ramp up your development studios and produce original and great games (PS3).
Microsoft in panic mode: Buy 3rd party games to eliminate the competition.
Not surprising though, that is the model MS always applied and gave them the monopoly in office software and for a while in the web browser market as well (they lost their monopoly in the browser market because MS is not a very innovative company and without competition IE was so bad that new browsers could attack the market successfully).
Well, I hope Crystal Dynamics will not regret this decision. I have the tendency to not buy games for full price months after their original release date. I will wait until it comes to PS+ as a freebie now.
Microsoft in panic mode: Buy 3rd party games to eliminate the competition.
Not surprising though, that is the model MS always applied and gave them the monopoly in office software and for a while in the web browser market as well (they lost their monopoly in the browser market because MS is not a very innovative company and without competition IE was so bad that new browsers could attack the market successfully).
Well, I hope Crystal Dynamics will not regret this decision. I have the tendency to not buy games for full price months after their original release date. I will wait until it comes to PS+ as a freebie now.
Marty Chinn
Member
This just happened hours ago. You're getting noise from the vocal enthusiasts. I don't think this is going to be a long lasting negative impact that people think it's going to be. It's news right now. The bitterness is still fresh. I'm not saying people don't have a right to be bitter, I just think the long term negative effects will be minimal.
Not the point. It's that for in the 90s FF was a huge name among the most hardcore gamers and suddenly it's abandoning Nintendo and going Sony. And that ended up leading to FF reaching its mainstream peak with FFVII.
Though this really does just seems like the less logical version of Tomb Raider 2's exclusivity than FF's, FF was a choice made perhaps with minimal or even no Sony involvement to go to a platform that they felt they could take better advantage of for FF, while here it's hard to imagine the XB1 having any actual advantage if they're not developing something around Kinect or whatever. We also actually SAW this game, whereas FF was even more misleading in that the SGI Workstation stuff was presumed to be giving us an idea of what FF N64 would look like, when that seemingly never amounted to more than Squaresoft toying with workstations, while this had a proper announcement and unveiling.
They don't have to be the same exact day, just the same holiday period vying for the same Christmas money. I think that CD knows they are perceived as similar games and they feel it's the best thing to do.
The Antitype
Banned
I never said it was a baseless assumption, but it was an assumption regardless. If SE and CD had formally announced the game across all platforms with a specific release date and then said 'no wait, we're moving the release date for specific platforms back' then I would be more empathetic to the outrage.
It's still coming out on all those platforms, just not at the same time. PS4-only owners aren't being robbed of anything, they're getting delayed a bit.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Just woke up with 50 more pages. Anything worthwhile?
That seems somewhat selective.
It was avaiable for PC, PS1 and Mac, Saturn version was cancelled because the saturn was doing terribly, Sega had abandoned the console 4 months after Tomb Raider 2 released.
I know it's a joke, but the future of FF is on very shaky ground already with the reception xiii got and the fact nobody in Japan buys home consoles anymore. Maybe an exclusive deal would be good for shareholders given the fact that the IP is dying--make a low-ish budget & effort console game, cash exclusivity cheque, move it mobile/handheld.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
People play whatever the hell they want. There was no lack of games that caused such a surge in sales for Tomb Raider. In fact when it came out on the PS3 and 360, it still gaged more sales than the 360 version so what are you really saying?
What I hate the most is when people go on and preach that they are more right because they apply their taste to an entire field of people. If you bought tomb raider, it certainly wasn't for the lack of gaming at the time. Some people bought it because they are simply fans and if you sit back and look at that, you would notice Tomb Raider resonates with a lot of fans that have lived with it through Playstation and Nintendo before it touched a Xbox.
I'm not even mad at MS for what was done. Square imo has no respect for that loyalty. Business is business, sure but it's not fair for fans to always have to put up and shut up when companies don't give a fuck about how much money fans put into their stuff. That shit is weak and it has nothing to do with fanboy shit.
New IP have no Alliance because we have never played them, grew with them, to what they are now. They are simply not comparable at all.
Edit: It doesn't even matter anymore because it's "Timed" But the fact that companies don't even give a damn about their fanbases, but fans are expected to go where they end up is ridiculous. If MS bought the rights, then sure people should stop, but this is the case of completely shading the entire base and alienating it. That's despicable all money aside. square is not some in red company that all of a sudden, it can't afford tomb raider, but can pump out irrelevant FF 13 lightning returns.
Even if they hadn´t worded with "holiday 2015" at the end and only said TR will be exclusive to Xbox, I wouldn´t believe it. There have been many games that were "exclusive" to Xbox, but ended up on PC after some time. Ryse and DR3 being the latest examples.
I think a known multiplat game like TR will definitely be released on PC and probably on PS4 as well, considering their weird wording. Wait for 2016, I would guess.
I think a known multiplat game like TR will definitely be released on PC and probably on PS4 as well, considering their weird wording. Wait for 2016, I would guess.
I don't like this news. I was having a good day, and it's ruined now. Tomb Raider was born on Sony platforms, and while my main console has changed a few times over that period, I've always had the opportunity to play new installments.
Until now. Enjoy getting 1/4 of the potential sales.
Until now. Enjoy getting 1/4 of the potential sales.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
As I stated many pages back, this is the same as the TR2 exclusivity deal; Sony was looking for a final nail the coffin rather than securing their platform success.
SC 2 and 3 are 2 years apart, not 3; look at the sales: in Japan it sold half (120k vs 240k) and in NA ir sold a quarter (350k vs 1.3m).
A disaster.
Birgitte2004
Member
I was against the FF13 going multi-platform because I firmly believe that the 360's DVD setup and the obnoxiousness that was disc-swapping on Star Ocean 360 combined to make FF the linear-fest it was.
So I think we ended up with a worse game. If that game had started on Gran Pulse, with an open environment, the whole feel would change.
I would not feel that way about any game this gen, because in spite of the tech differences there is nothing like the Blu-Ray/DVD difference holding games back.
loaf of bread
Member
Its not the same at all, in this situation Sony makes an exclusive and MS buys an exclusive. What it should be is Sony makes an exclusive, MS uses the money they would have bought an exclusive with to make an exclusive, everyone gets an extra multi platform game. So in the first scenario both consoles get one game, in the second scenario they both get two.