Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Tedesco! said:
Evidently it is quite expensive to get a proper dash cam system working.
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I don't know the logistics of it, but before I started working in a prison the department I interned with had dash cams and mics on all,officers. They did however malfunction from time to time, but that had to be noted.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
There's a difference between being pro law enforcement and being racist/racial profiling. But thanks.
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No. You're profiling.

1. You can't tell what is happening in photographs, so you claim they've been tampered with.

2. You accuse the man of possibly agitating police.

3. You accuse the man of possibly walking towards the police.

this is all prefaced with you claiming no one knows anything, while people are just condemning the militarization and abuse by police forces.

you come up with all this speculation, leaning towards ignoring the most likely scenario, as well as you're ignoring that this happened yesterday, when the police were shooting wooden bullets at people.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
I don't know the logistics of it, but before I started working in a prison the department I interned with had dash cams and mics on all,officers. They did however malfunction from time to time, but that had to be noted.
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Cops malfunction from time to time as well.
 
commedieu said:
No. You're profiling.

1. You can't tell what is happening in photographs, so you claim they've been tampered with.

2. You accuse the man of possibly agitating police.

3. You accuse the man of possibly walking towards the police.

this is all prefaced with you claiming no one knows anything, while people are just condemning the militarization and abuse by police forces.

you come up with all this speculation, leaning towards ignoring the most likely scenario, as well as you're ignoring that this happened yesterday, when the police were shooting wooden bullets at people.
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I don't think you know what profiling means. It wouldn't matter if the dude was green, he shouldn't be there.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
I don't know the logistics of it, but before I started working in a prison the department I interned with had dash cams and mics on all,officers. They did however malfunction from time to time, but that had to be noted.
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What I was told was that all the cars had to have the cams, that there had to be a wireless solution that would allow the data to be transferred regardless of the location of the vehicle, that the cams would have to have sufficient hard drive space, and that the agency would have to have the proper storage to hold all the footage for X cars for at least 30 days, and that is before the footage is deleted. If the footage is to be kept there would be another process involved.
 
commedieu said:
No. You're profiling.

1. You can't tell what is happening in photographs, so you claim they've been tampered with.

2. You accuse the man of possibly agitating police.

3. You accuse the man of possibly walking towards the police.

this is all prefaced with you claiming no one knows anything, while people are just condemning the militarization and abuse by police forces.

you come up with all this speculation, leaning towards ignoring the most likely scenario, as well as you're ignoring that this happened yesterday, when the police were shooting wooden bullets at people.
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He's so far gone you'll never reach him. Cognitive dissonance at it's finest. Probably one of the purest examples I've ever seen on a message board.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
I still think it is, I think from what we can see he walked up to get a response and get pictures taken. Do I know that? No. Do I think it's a good possibility? Yep. Just like a load of people here hate law enforcement and believe without evidence that a white cop executed an innocent teen in the street (other posters words, not mine).

Is it possible or even likely it went down that way? Sure, it could be, but no one is jumping on their asses for making that assertion.
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People are judging because you were quick to blame a guy for being near police as trying to incite something while saying we should all be calm and wait for the evidence in the shooting. You even said the pictures had to be photoshopped for effect. That's a whole lot of assumptions about one case while allowing for none in the other.
 
Tedesco! said:
What I was told was that all the cars had to have the cams, that there had to be a wireless solution that would allow the data to be transferred regardless of the location of the vehicle, that the cams would have to have sufficient hard drive space, and that the agency would have to have the proper storage to hold all the footage for X cars for at least 30 days, and that is before the footage is deleted. If the footage is to be kept there would be another process involved.
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The ones we used weren't wireless to my knowledge, but had transferable hard drives.


Zaphod said:
People are judging because you were quick to blame a guy for being near police as trying to incite something while saying we should all be calm and wait for the evidence in the shooting. You even said the pictures had to be photoshopped for effect. That's a whole lot of assumptions about one case while allowing for none in the other.
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Again, it didn't only say they were probably shopped.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
I still think it is, I think from what we can see he walked up to get a response and get pictures taken. Do I know that? No. Do I think it's a good possibility? Yep.
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Even if brother staged it: it was still possible to stage. That's the fucked up part. Why is it hard to see that?
 
ISOM said:
I think these guys got called because of state of emergency that was declared, effectively turning that area into martial law. I could be wrong though.
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It says "police" on their uniforms.

Also, their EXTREME COD ACTION gear would have been funny if it wasn't so sad.
Everything about that picture just screams "weekend warriors living military fantasies".
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
The ones we used weren't wireless to my knowledge, but had transferable hard drives.
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I would imagine wireless is the way to go. You can transfer the data without it going through many hands, and still have the physical HD as backup.

Now this entire setup is expensive. A lot of agencies are going through budget cuts, and sadly dash cams are still considered an extravagant expense compare to replacing old equipment or training.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
I still think it is, I think from what we can see he walked up to get a response and get pictures taken. Do I know that? No. Do I think it's a good possibility? Yep. Just like a load of people here hate law enforcement and believe without evidence that a white cop executed an innocent teen in the street (other posters words, not mine).

Is it possible or even likely it went down that way? Sure, it could be, but no one is jumping on their asses for making that assertion.
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So you're doing the same with the pictures? You hate these people and believe without evidence that a black guy was advancing on innocent police on the street?
 
Chichikov said:
It says "police" on their uniforms.

Also, their EXTREME COD ACTION gear would have been funny if it wasn't so sad.
Everything about that picture just screams "weekend warriors living military fantasies".
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I know you're trying to be funny, but this has pretty much been the gear for this kind of team for a long while.
 
Tedesco! said:
I would imagine wireless is the way to go. You can transfer the data without it going through many hands, and still have the physical HD as backup.

Now this entire setup is expensive. A lot of agencies are going through budget cuts, and sadly dash cams are still considered an extravagant expense compare to replacing old equipment or training.
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I'd imagine wireless security would be an issue, but I could see it being a very good idea. I'd push for those damn police cams first though.
 
Tedesco! said:
I would imagine wireless is the way to go. You can transfer the data without it going through many hands, and still have the physical HD as backup.

Now this entire setup is expensive. A lot of agencies are going through budget cuts, and sadly dash cams are still considered an extravagant expense compare to replacing old equipment or training.
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Cheaper than the settlements from wrongful death suits.
 
olic Gaoler;125067053]I don't think you know what profiling means. It wouldn't matter if the dude was green, he shouldn't be there.
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What does profiling have to do with race? I said you're profiling the man as a criminal. Which you are, because you have a pro police bias. And yore continuing to double down when it's been said that this was from yesterday when people were trying to go home. Again more plausible non/biased reasons to explain some casual looking man with a man purse and a legion of police drawing down on him.

You're blindly going to bat for the least likely accounts, with bias.


As a budding Leo. You should understand the difference between the words "racial profiling" and "profiling."

And I can't say that claiming you don't care if someone is green is any indicator of your beliefs, racist or not. A seeming large number of people that don't see color often cite not caring if people are Crayola colors.
 
jamesinclair said:
I posted a story in the NYC thread about how a lady complained of improper police behavior. The officer made an illegal turn, almost hit her, and then cursed her out.

The investigation department waited 11 months to ask her to identify the officers photo.
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I've heard this referred to as "distancing". Take as long as possible so testimony and evidence becomes more vague. Also allows tempers to cool on the plaintiff's side.

Scumbag move. I can't believe Johnson fucking offered to talk to the police and they said "nah we're good. It's a fucking outrage.
 
Esch said:
Fucking cops.
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hmm

I used to love and have a lot of respect for cops, mainly because I started watching the show, "cops" at very young age. Until one day I got pulled over cause I took a sip from a can of coconut water, it was night so the cops behind my car thought I was drinking beer. After clearing that up, he asked me the most bizarre questions. "Is there a dead body in the trunk?" "Any drugs?" and more. Needless to say I was incredibly offended and the only reason why he only asked me such idiotic questions is because I am brown. And his female partner positioned herself on the side with one hand on her gun and they also called in a backup car.

All this near Pearson International Airport in Canada, in a business area with minimal to no crime.

All the respect I had for cops vanished that day. They are mostly racist assholes with a high paying salary. And they don't do shit in most of GTA except issuing speeding tickets

edit: I shouldn't generalize on one bad incident though. I am sure there are good cops out there
 
neoism said:
pretty sure he's a cop...lol
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Not quite, I work in a federal prison.


commedieu said:
What does profiling have to do with race? I said you're profiling the man as a criminal. Which you are, because you have a pro police bias. And yore continuing to double down when it's been said that this was from yesterday when people were trying to go home. Again more plausible non/biased reasons to explain some casual looking man with a man purse and a legion of police drawing down on him.

You're blindly going to bat for the least likely accounts, with bias.
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My mistake, with people overly throwing out racially charged statements at my posts I assumed thsts what was going on here. I apologize.

And you very well be right about my bias, but I'm not the only one in here posting with a bias either. Almost everyone is. Mine just happens to be the minority perspective here, which I knew going in.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
Not the same backdrop, not the same amount of officers.
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Brolic Gaoler said:
Again, it didn't only say they were probably shopped.
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I know it wasn't the only thing, you've also assumed motives for the guy in the photo. You were incorrect about the manipulation, why can't you be incorrect about the motives?

Brolic Gaoler said:
My mistake, with people overly throwing out racially charged statements at my posts I assumed thsts what was going on here. I apologize.

And you very well be right about my bias, but I'm not the only one in here posting with a bias either. Almost everyone is. Mine just happens to be the minority perspective here, which I knew going in.
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That's a fair enough answer. I was not slinging racism at you either. Just annoyed that the 'wait for the evidence' card was used and then discarded so quickly.
 
Zaphod said:
I know it wasn't the only thing, you've also assumed motives for the guy in the photo. You were incorrect about the manipulation, why can't you be incorrect about the motives?
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I never said I wasn't. I have zero problems admitting when I'm wrong and have done so multiple times in this thread already.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
My mistake, with people overly throwing out racially charged statements at my posts I assumed thsts what was going on here. I apologize.
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What does any of this have to do with you profiling? Other people make you use illogical thought processes? Or not be able to see photographs clearly with little to no perception of space/depth/geographical features/features on the officers themselves (middle officer had blue arm band in both photos)/etc. It makes you make up scenarios to excuse the police?

No you're not apologizing for anything. You had your mind made up because you're upset at people condemning police, when the entire justice system needs to be.

Sure you could have left it at a fake photo. But then you went on about how the persons walking towards them, and trying to incite something.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
Not quite, I work in a federal prison.
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I have a friend that works at a prison... and he asked me if I'd like to work there he would put in a good word and what not...
He really didnt like the answer I gave him lol I just cant understand why anyone would want to work at a prison to be in one at ALL unless you was a prisoner and had no choice.. I just doesn't make since to me at all... yeah they get paid ok but not anything close to what I would have to be paid. Even then I still wouldn't. But whatevers
 
commedieu said:
What does any of this have to do with you profiling? Other people make you use illogical thought processes? Or not be able to see photographs clearly with little to no perception of space/depth/geographical features/features on the officers themselves (middle officer had blue arm band in both photos)/etc. It makes you make up scenarios to excuse the police?

No you're not apologizing for anything. You had your mind made up because you're upset at people condemning police, when the entire justice system needs to be.
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I'm not apologizing for what I think the dude was doing, I was apologizing for my response to you in regard to what I thought you were posting.

I still believe what I posted before about that guy's action at the police line.

neoism said:
I have a friend that works at a prison... and he asked me if I'd like to work there he would put in a good word and what not...
He really didnt like the answer I gave him lol I just cant understand why anyone would want to work at a prison to be in one at ALL unless you was a prisoner and had no choice.. I just doesn't make since to me at all... yeah they get paid ok but not anything close to what I would have to be paid. Even then I still wouldn't. But whatevers
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It's definitely not for everyone. And it will definitely change your perspective on society. However, I actually enjoy working with most of the inmates.
 
Tedesco! said:
Stupid and pointless how?
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Let's see -
  • Billion pouches, the fuck do they need that shit? I was in a pretty specialized unit in the military, we had to carry rather unusual gear, and we never had half as many leg pouches. It's like zippers on a jrpg.
  • Kneepads - yeah, it make sense in some situations, but do they expect to drop and fire from a prone position? what is the mission here again?
  • Vest with like 20 mags - again, what is the mission here? do they foresee a scenario where 4 clips are not going to cut it? you don't carry that many for a fucking war.
  • The rifle - holy shit, so many pointless mods on that thing.
  • "Tactical" gloves, "tactical" watches, "tactical" EVERYTHING!
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
I'm not apologizing for what I think the dude was doing, I was apologizing for my response to you in regard to what I thought you were posting.

I still believe what I posted before about that guy's action at the police line.




It's definitely not for everyone. And it will definitely change your perspective on society. However, I actually enjoy working with most of the inmates.
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I know you do. Which is why you're profiling.

You don't know what happened. But you know he's challenging a police line.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
I never said I wasn't. I have zero problems admitting when I'm wrong and have done so multiple times in this thread already.
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Then let people discuss the fact that an unarmed teenager was shot, probably in the back multiple times. They might be wrong about the events but there are eye-witnesses that seem to corroborate that story.

Not all cops are bad but if one has done something wrong he should be shunned, not defended.
 
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