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[valkyre]

Ι know this is all good fun and supposed to relieve some of the serious tone of the main story, but seriously... this whole "BOX" thing is borderline ridiculous...

It is ok to have a Box and mess around with enemies sneaking and pop up to shoot someone. It really is ok. But using it as a disguise device?? It actually makes the enemy AI look completely stupid... I mean they see a cardboard box and mistake it for an actual ally?? Or a real woman?? REALLY??

I love MGS games and yes some pure fun always is good, even if it is silly, but this is just ridiculous and honestly... completely immersion breaking material...

I don't know what Kojima was thinking, especially considering the fact that he chose to appear for the first time on stage in Gamescom to show this material...

SMH really. I will completely avoid all this BOX "fun" when i play the game because this stuff makes the game completely stupid.

And that is my honest personal opinion.

 

[SargerusBR]

Who says we don't appreciate it? I wouldn't be as big a fan as I am if I didn't appreciate it. Some of us just want MGS to get more serious/mature/dark. I welcome the optional comic relief. I just don't think it being forced upon us all the time (Johnny in MGS4, anyone?) is necessary.

Off topic, but how did you changed your Username?

 

[Palpable]

Ι know this is all good fun and supposed to relieve some of the serious tone of the main story, but seriously... this whole "BOX" thing is borderline ridiculous...

It is ok to have a Box and mess around with enemies sneaking and pop up to shoot someone. It really is ok. But using it as a disguise device?? It actually makes the enemy AI look completely stupid... I mean they see a cardboard box and mistake it for an actual ally?? Or a real woman?? REALLY??

I love MGS games and yes some pure fun always is good, even if it is silly, but this is just ridiculous and honestly... completely immersion breaking material...

I don't know what Kojima was thinking, especially considering the fact that he chose to appear for the first on stage in Gamescom to show this material...

SMH really. I will completely avoid all this BOX "fun" when i play the game because this stuff makes the game completely stupid.

And that is my honest personal opinion.

I was never against box fun, but when I play through the games for the story (first, second playthroughs) I never use the boxes (unless it helps me get to a new area, a-la trucks in MGS1). They really weren't necessary and I honestly did not miss them in GZ. It's fine they're there, but I wouldn't use them as actual tactical items when seriously sneaking through an area.

Off topic, but how did you changed your Username?

PM a moderator and he'll post it to the name change queue. Might take a week or so.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Kojima, you sunavabitch.



(He's on the new Silent Hill project btw)

 

[-Deimos]

Ι know this is all good fun and supposed to relieve some of the serious tone of the main story, but seriously... this whole "BOX" thing is borderline ridiculous...

It is ok to have a Box and mess around with enemies sneaking and pop up to shoot someone. It really is ok. But using it as a disguise device?? It actually makes the enemy AI look completely stupid... I mean they see a cardboard box and mistake it for an actual ally?? Or a real woman?? REALLY??

I love MGS games and yes some pure fun always is good, even if it is silly, but this is just ridiculous and honestly... completely immersion breaking material...

I don't know what Kojima was thinking, especially considering the fact that he chose to appear for the first time on stage in Gamescom to show this material...

SMH really. I will completely avoid all this BOX "fun" when i play the game because this stuff makes the game completely stupid.

And that is my honest personal opinion.

No one is forcing you to use the box. Why hate on a feature that is completely optional? Are you also against endgame items like stealth and the bandana?

 

[Frolow]

Ι know this is all good fun and supposed to relieve some of the serious tone of the main story, but seriously... this whole "BOX" thing is borderline ridiculous...

It is ok to have a Box and mess around with enemies sneaking and pop up to shoot someone. It really is ok. But using it as a disguise device?? It actually makes the enemy AI look completely stupid... I mean they see a cardboard box and mistake it for an actual ally?? Or a real woman?? REALLY??

I love MGS games and yes some pure fun always is good, even if it is silly, but this is just ridiculous and honestly... completely immersion breaking material...

I don't know what Kojima was thinking, especially considering the fact that he chose to appear for the first time on stage in Gamescom to show this material...

SMH really. I will completely avoid all this BOX "fun" when i play the game because this stuff makes the game completely stupid.

And that is my honest personal opinion.

Did you consider stuff like Snake being able to wear a Santa suit and Monkey mask in MGS3 immersion breaking? Stuff like this has been in the series in the MSX games. Again, I don't understand why people are all upset about it now.

 

[Dawg]

Kojima, you sunavabitch.



(He's on the new Silent Hill project btw)

I seriously went: "what? WHAT?!"

 

[valkyre]

I was never against box fun, but when I play through the games for the story (first, second playthroughs) I never use the boxes (unless it helps me get to a new area, a-la trucks in MGS1). They really weren't necessary and I honestly did not miss them in GZ. It's fine they're there, but I wouldn't use them as actual tactical items when seriously sneaking through an area.



PM a moderator and he'll post it to the name change queue. Might take a week or so.

I don't think I will ever use these features to be honest. Not in my 11th play through (if there is one). This is way way waaaaay to silly even by Metal Gear standards. I seriously don't know what Kojima is thinking with this... and I state this again: It is perfectly fine to have some fun, as long as it doesn't go near ridiculous levels... and I think the whole box thing has exceeded even that.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

This is a dumb franchise that pretends to be smart occasionally, not the other way around. Don't let the preachy philosophy quotes and convoluted political thriller plots fool you. Embrace it.

 

[Altered Juice]

HAI!

damn i gotta get that number!

 

[valkyre]

Did you consider stuff like Snake being able to wear a Santa suit and Monkey mask in MGS3 immersion breaking? Stuff like this has been in the series in the MSX games. Again, I don't understand why people are all upset about it now.

Santa suit was not a gameplay mechanic. This box thing makes the enemy AI look completely retarded. Its one thing to give the player the option to wear a ridiculous suit, that doesn't mess with gameplay mechanics, and another to use game features in ways that one of the main selling points of your product (the AI) looks utterly stupid.

It stops being fun and becomes ridiculous.

Granted, indeed that is not the first time Kojima simply overdoes it with humour in his games. But then the tone of these games wasn't as dark as this one. So the juxtaposition here, now is too much/extreme. At least in my opinion.

 

[BGMNTS]

On my second playthrough i'm going to spend days doing retarded box shit.

 

[Purdy]

Thats awesome Dawg

 

[valkyre]

No one is forcing you to use the box. Why hate on a feature that is completely optional? Are you also against endgame items like stealth and the bandana?

If you checked my post < i already covered the fact that I will not be using these features at all...

I am however - at least I want to believe that I am- entitled to voice my opinion/concern over this.

I believe that Kojima is overdoing it, especially concerning the dark themes that the games is supposedly going to handle in its main storyline. I can't accept the fact that the game will address themes such as these and i will watch a dark/serious cutscene, only to proceed to the mission and then disguise my self as a soldier using a cardboard box and go by unnoticed in an enemy territory... its just ridiculous...

 

[squadr0n]

Hey Gaf, I just woke up. Did I miss anything Metal Gear related today? Is the Game play demo presentation tomorrow or did it already happen?

 

[Palpable]

This is a dumb franchise that pretends to be smart occasionally, not the other way around. Don't let the preachy philosophy quotes and convoluted political thriller plots fool you. Embrace it.

Is this a joke or are you just dense?

 

[RangerBAD]

Is this a joke or are you just dense?

It's ViewtifulJC. Embrace it.

 

[Zyae]

the soldiers didnt think that the woman was real, obviously

 

[Zyae]

If you checked my post < i already covered the fact that I will not be using these features at all...

I am however - at least I want to believe that I am- entitled to voice my opinion/concern over this.

I believe that Kojima is overdoing it, especially concerning the dark themes that the games is supposedly going to handle in its main storyline. I can't accept the fact that the game will address themes such as these and i will watch a dark/serious cutscene, only to proceed to the mission and then disguise my self as a soldier using a cardboard box and go by unnoticed in an enemy territory... its just ridiculous...

so dont use the box.....

 

[Resilient]

What the hell? Why are people salty about the box? I don't want to go in the box thread because it's fukn full bonkers in there. MGS has always had serious themes. Why is it such a problem now? What bizarro world are we living in? Somebody hold me !!

 

[STILLethal]

What the hell? Why are people salty about the box? I don't want to go in the box thread because it's fukn full bonkers in there. MGS has always had serious themes. Why is it such a problem now? What bizarro world are we living in? Somebody hold me !!

Its what im sayn man...some people are just downers no matter what. Everything ive seen so far from MGSV has been awesome, not 1 complaint. Story, humor, gameplay, characters, everything yo

 

[Resilient]

Its just dumb because people cherry pick the things they think are "too far". Robotic arm in 1984? That's fine. Child with mind control powers? Yeah that's normal. Tricking a guard with a box? WHAT THE FUCK KOJIMA?!

 

[Palpable]

Its just dumb because people cherry pick the things they think are "too far". Robotic arm in 1984? That's fine. Child with mind control powers? Yeah that's normal. Tricking a guard with a box? WHAT THE FUCK KOJIMA?!

I think some people are just disappointed that they're putting extra effort in the box gameplay and showing us less of other things.

If someone complains about the technology in MGS, then that person doesn't understand the concept/genre of science fiction.

 

[Resilient]

I think some people are just disappointed that they're putting extra effort in the box gameplay and showing us less of other things.

If someone complains about the technology in MGS, then that person doesn't understand the concept/genre of science fiction.

Maybe you're right. But I don't think Koji could ever release a gameplay video that satisfies everybody. You get what you get and at the end he will ask, didju rike it?

 

[valkyre]

so dont use the box.....

I already said that?

 

[Dawg]

This is a dumb franchise that pretends to be smart occasionally, not the other way around. Don't let the preachy philosophy quotes and convoluted political thriller plots fool you. Embrace it.

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve here with that reply. Seems like you already made your mind up, no room for discussion or anything. It's your opinion and all, but stating it like it's a fact doesn't actually mean you're right.

I'm going to rate this a 8/10 on the drive-by posts scale.

Spoiler

De gustibus non est disputandum

 

[BGMNTS]

Its just dumb because people cherry pick the things they think are "too far". Robotic arm in 1984? That's fine. Child with mind control powers? Yeah that's normal. Tricking a guard with a box? WHAT THE FUCK KOJIMA?!

Its arguable that prosthetic limbs and psychic powers dont appear that goofy and detract from the nature of the story.

Not saying thats the case but I could understand that.

 

[Palpable]

Its arguable that prosthetic limbs and psychic powers dont appear that goofy and detract from the nature of the story.

Not saying thats the case but I could understand that.

It doesn't appear as goofy at all. It's called science fiction. MGS has always been a sci-fi series. I'm not sure why this is even a point of discussion. It's not like people argue that Lord of the Rings is fantasy. It's just obvious...

 

[ViewtifulJC]

It be less goofy if the series wasn't so incredibly melodramatic

 

[Protag]

It be less goofy if the series wasn't so incredibly melodramatic

Never thought it was goofy though, and im good at feeling for those types of things.

Goofy is when you point the directional mic in the left direction of the podium, away from Solidus and Ocelot' conversation, to hear an entire seperate incident of Johnny having trouble with his bowels.

Now thats goofy.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

You know why we see the same locations over and over again? because those are the only areas we'll play as Big Boss. The rest is with Solid Snake

Btw. I'm serious.

 

[RobertM]

You know why we see the same locations over and over again? because those are the only areas we'll play as Big Boss. The rest is with Solid Snake

Btw. I'm serious.

I wish. I have such a disdain for Big Boss. None of the games he was in I liked.

 

[-Deimos]

I wish. I have such a disdain for Big Boss. None of the games he was in I liked.

That mask is cutting off the oxygen to your brain.

 

[RoyaleDuke]

Wow people complaining about the dissonance between gameplay and cutscene...really?

I mean isn't that why we play MGS? For the awesome gameplay and sometimes silly moments mixed with those awesome serious themes?

I'm shaking my head right now.

You know why we see the same locations over and over again? because those are the only areas we'll play as Big Boss. The rest is with Solid Snake

Btw. I'm serious.

Everyone on the Sn4ke Hype train, choo choo!

Diamondu Dogzu becomes OUTERU HEAVENU.

Then you become Solid Snaku

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Wow people complaining about the dissonance between gameplay and cutscene...really?

I mean isn't that why we play MGS? For the awesome gameplay and sometimes silly moments mixed with those awesome serious themes?

I'm shaking my head right now.



Everyone on the Sn4ke Hype train, choo choo!

Diamondu Dogzu becomes OUTERU HEAVENU.

Then you become Solid Snaku

 

[Palpable]

It's disappointing that every MGS thread here breaks down into stupidity. Can't it be serious discussion all the way through for once? This thread breakdown of what team who is on and why is starting to get annoying. Someone already made a thread for it. It should stay there. I'm all for having fun and joking around, but it keeps going way overboard. :/

 

[-Deimos]

It's disappointing that every MGS thread here breaks down into stupidity. Can't it be serious discussion all the way through for once? This thread breakdown of what team who is on and why is starting to get annoying. Someone already made a thread for it. It should stay there. I'm all for having fun and joking around, but it keeps going way overboard. :/

There's nothing to discuss, though.

 

[Hystzen]

Did everybody forget about the MGS game a tommy gun made from and shoots bees or had lots of crotch grabbing.

Confuses me after all metal gear games we had which such stupid shit in it people still find something moan about because it not serious or doesn't make sense

 

[Stone Ocean]

It's disappointing that every MGS thread here breaks down into stupidity. Can't it be serious discussion all the way through for once? This thread breakdown of what team who is on and why is starting to get annoying. Someone already made a thread for it. It should stay there. I'm all for having fun and joking around, but it keeps going way overboard. :/

You want serious discussion? Then go ahead and start one

Would you rather people just stopped posting until we get any new info to talk about?

 

[Palpable]

You want serious discussion? Then go ahead and start one

Would you rather people just stopped posting until we get any new info to talk about?

I have, plenty of times. I'm saying it always tends to break down into these teams of who thinks what and it becomes really stupid.

 

[Love Deterrence]

It's disappointing that every MGS thread here breaks down into stupidity. Can't it be serious discussion all the way through for once? This thread breakdown of what team who is on and why is starting to get annoying. Someone already made a thread for it. It should stay there. I'm all for having fun and joking around, but it keeps going way overboard. :/

 

[Ishida]

It won't help. It honestly must suck to be a Metal Gear fan if you can't appreciate the camp, quirkiness and childish humor that have all become a staple for the series.

I agree with this.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

This is a dumb franchise that pretends to be smart occasionally, not the other way around. Don't let the preachy philosophy quotes and convoluted political thriller plots fool you. Embrace it.

Word.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

In relation to the cardboard box saltyness I do remember kojima saying he wanted it removed but us the fans asked for it. However, the box itself doesn't break the immersion from the game, hell you don't even need to use the box if you don't want to it's not even a requirement. The box is used to relieve some of the tension or if the player decides to fuck around, usually this happens on the second playthrough enjoying the little Easter eggs and whatnot.

All in all this wackyness it what makes Metal Gear be Metal Gear and a simple box won't deviate the actual seriousness of the story. As for the Fulton I'm sure it will be balanced so people gotta chill it's just an element to the RPG-like stuff from motherbase. PEACE ( shoutouts to pimp gaf-member)

 

[Palpable]

In relation to the cardboard box saltyness I do remember kojima saying he wanted it removed but us the fans asked for it. However, the box itself doesn't break the immersion from the game, hell you don't even need to use the box if you don't want to it's not even a requirement. The box is used to relieve some of the tension or if the player decides to fuck around, usually this happens on the second playthrough enjoying the little Easter eggs and whatnot.

All in all this wackyness it what makes Metal Gear be Metal Gear and a simple box won't deviate the actual story. As for the Fulton I'm sure it will be balanced so people gotta chill it's just an element to the RPG-like stuff from motherbase. PEACE ( shoutouts to pimp gaf-member)

If I'm not mistaken it was his dev team that cried for it. Honestly, Kojima is at his best when he does what he wants & ignores his team and his fans.

I'm all for having fun and joking around, but it keeps going way overboard.

.

 

[Love Deterrence]

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Ah, so when you stop having fun, everyone else should too?

 

[NoctisVsStar]

If I'm not mistaken it was his dev team that cried for it. Honestly, Kojima is at his best when he does what he wants & ignores his team and his fans.




.

The cardboard box is a staple that's unique to all the games, I confess I never use it but I don't want it removed in case I just go all looney.

 

[Palpable]

Ah, so when you stop having fun, everyone else should too?

I don't recall saying that. Not sure what your continued hostility towards me on here is all about.

The cardboard box is a staple that's unique to all the games, I confess I never use it but I don't want it removed in case I just go all looney.

Oh no, I do agree. I just think they went a bit too far with it as we're seeing with this new video. It's something I'll never use. I rarely used the c.box as it is.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

YOU WANT NEW STUFF INFINITY PATRIOT?? YOU REALLY WANT IT?!

WELL THEN HERE YOU GO!

“Final tech check of the day is nearly done. Tomorrow’s event is going to be good”

 

[Love Deterrence]

YOU WANT NEW STUFF INFINITY PATRIOT?? YOU REALLY WANT IT?!

WELL THEN HERE YOU GO!

“Final tech check of the day is nearly done. Tomorrow’s event is going to be good”

AW, SHIT!