I'm not sure if it was a cocktail or not. It seems to be what started everything tonight though.
Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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Oh yeah but even then its some of the biggest anti-government people who have been providing the best coverage for the world to see. People can't help but try and politicize this situation when its a situation that doesn't need politics to be outraged
DeadPhoenix9065
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Uh shouldn't the state be getting involved at this point? Or at least some higher authority? This is getting out of hand now...Media is denied, meaning most information is strictly from citizen point of view through what ever media they use. The force being used is extreme especially for a protest that is similar to ones over 50's ago in other states. Than again, they decided to use fire hoses...
I can't imagine a man further from liberal. Is he confusing that with libertarian?
It looks like a bottle and the glass was reflecting the light, so it looked like it was lit. For one thing, I don't recall a corresponding are on fire as one would expect.
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Some random person's custom-tailored list means jack. So sorry if that offends you.
I would say that a bottle shouldn't have started all of this. BUT, they were out in their full costumes. They were waiting for anything to justify them today. Restraint isn't being shown at all in the face of actual challenges.
A bottle vs armor doesn't require the legion to attack. Now, if the protestors were all rushing and rioting, of course. Disperse them.
This whole situation should have been handled without unleashing riot police at a vigil to begin with. Its all been down hill since, and these dolts are out of control.
John Stuart Mill the author of On Liberty.
Even though you're being condescending I'll entertain your second question.
Liberalism or liberal humanism can be defined as the idea that people and institutions can be improved. It features individualism, universalism, and egalitarianism as core concepts.
liberal humanism is only thought of with white property owning men in mind because other classes of people were seen as sub persons in its history. so that's where things get messy and why we're having this conversation.
I dunno, that's not been my general experience, how I've used the word or how I've seen others I interact with use the word. I've seen those who call themselves liberals say the sort of things in the beginning of your paragraph due to ignorance or naivete but I wouldn't use the term liberal to describe someone who said the bolded nor have I ever encounter someone who called themselves a liberal and believed/said something like the bolded. There is more than one kind of liberalism/conservatism though so maybe we are using different types as our default?
People say that but do you personally believe that? Considering the political landscape for the past few years I just can't agree (Which is different than the parties being more similar than one would like)
EDIT: I guess that wasn't who he meant.
Just to avoid being fully biased...
In defense of the police force, they would have no knowledge of what the object thrown at them was, and how much worse the crowd could get. Now it doesn't merit any of the behavior the police force has exhibited, I can see why they would have become slightly concerned.
Still they don't get any excuse for being so awful tonight, and there is no logical reason to freak out the way they did about the bottle. Disgusting display of a 'public service.' They got a reason to take action though, even if it was extremely minor, and even if the actions they took were... misguided to say the very least.
In defense of the police force, they would have no knowledge of what the object thrown at them was, and how much worse the crowd could get. Now it doesn't merit any of the behavior the police force has exhibited, I can see why they would have become slightly concerned.
Still they don't get any excuse for being so awful tonight, and there is no logical reason to freak out the way they did about the bottle. Disgusting display of a 'public service.' They got a reason to take action though, even if it was extremely minor, and even if the actions they took were... misguided to say the very least.
FlowersisBritish
fleurs n'est pas britannique
is crossfire going on over here.. or something..
im exhausted of all this racism. hitting the bed.. again.
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errr i mean carefully laying in the bed and making no threats to anyone. Not hitting.
Oh good, You're just peacefully sleeping. That means you get forty whole minutes before the teargas you.
Basileus777
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This isn't how liberalism is defined in modern American politics. John Stuart Mill certainly isn't the father of it.
John Stuart Mill is considered the most influential philosopher of his time. To say he didn't shape modern liberalism is absurd.
Basileus777
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Good thing I didn't say that. But you claimed that "the founder of moden liberalism supported the slave trade and the Native American genocide with the ideology." And that's just a ridiculous thing to say. But this is getting off-topic.
Yes he did support slavery and colonialism. Yes he shaped modern liberalism so calling him the "father" of it isn't an exaggeration. Nothing I said was a lie. But I guess this is getting off topic.
timetokill
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Do we have any nearby GAFfers that want to be our GAF correspondent? That would be awesome.
Messofanego
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I wonder if that poster still thinks they shouldn't say they're being shot at because they're rubber bullets.
tkscz
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But... but they are just rubber bullets. Fucking a holes. What makes it worse is how fucking hard they are trying to make sure no one knows about this.
Nabs
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I hope people retweet the hell out of that picture. People need to see what a rubber bullet can do.
Everyone will just forget in a month like they did after the Occupy protesters got hit with them. I have no faith that this will lead to anything transformational.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to be gunned down by a trigger happy police force the moment they brandish a weapon shall not be infringed.
Basileus777
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Yeah, more escalation is exactly what's needed here.
timetokill
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It's true, but of course nobody wants to die.
Unfortunately I don't think real change is possible without it. unless we all want to wait several more decades. I doubt justice is imminent, and if there isn't a real impact made now this will fade into the background and nobody will remember it.
the other issue, of course, is that the police are so militarized that things would be very one-sided.
But I think that's what America needs to see I'm order to change, to be honest.
and of course the scary thing is that might not even be enough to wake people up.
Joel Was Right
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Idiots like this cause deaths. That's all it needs. One amongst hundreds to spark a riot
Messofanego
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Absence of NRA/conservative/libertarian outrage is incontrovertible proof they only represent white America. #ferguson
It just lays out plain and clear what those kind of people are really about, their hypocrisy, not whether this action should actually be taken.
And that is a load of shit by people trying to politicize for their own gain.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...about-police-misconduct-in-ferguson-missouri/
But hey I am sure glad all those Democrats are rushing to speak out. Thank God they have a Democrat as Governor instead of a Republican so they can do right by the people. Oh wait...
The police shoots a teen and the protestors are the offenders? Way to paint a false picture.
I think encouraging people to enter that arena without them actually directly wanting to participate would be unwise.
Messofanego
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timetokill
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I'm not getting where people are finding this "lack" if libertarian outrage. I've seen it quite a lot in libertarian circles.
are they expecting some libertarian congressional leader to make a statement or something? or is this liberals trying to point at something to assuage guilt and frustration over their party (the one in power) being cautious and timid over the situation?
Please show us. Nobody wants false information.
He's right though. You can't say it's a peaceful protest (even if it is) when you have idiots like that throwing bottles / molotov cocktails.
Messofanego
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Good to hear, thanks for the link.
He is not right. The police escalated the situation, mocking the people even with SWAT teams and full combat armor now.
That's not how you de-escalate things.
Messofanego
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Wow, nice to see video of this. Disgusting.
This is insane. Police state level.
timetokill
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Reason.com has quite a bit on it.
http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/13/how-a-suburban-swat-team-sees-itself
http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/13/officer-who-shot-mike-brown-might-face-t
http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/14/ferguson-police-may-have-arrested-st-lou
http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/13/another-confrontation-potentially-brewin
.. plenty more there if you want to browse.
Radley Balko, a libertarian, wrote that "rise of the warrior cop" book that's been posted in here several times, and he's posted about Ferguson a lot on his Twitter, @radleybalko and possibly elsewhere.
here's an article from the Cato institute. libertarian think tank: http://www.cato.org/blog/police-militarization-ferguson-nationwide
mostly I'm not sure what people expect. libertarians hold little political power. but they're still the most vocal I've seen against the militarization of the police and the protection of our civil liberties from government "law enforcement"
Wesley's words and footage got a brief mention just now on the national news: Today Show.
The level of force being used by the cops is ridiculous. I'm worried the more this goes on, the more tired they are going to get and eventually make a really bad decision that will set this over the top.
The level of force being used by the cops is ridiculous. I'm worried the more this goes on, the more tired they are going to get and eventually make a really bad decision that will set this over the top.
Ridiculous. I like how the one SWAT guy is in the "providing cover" stance while the other two mess with the camera equipment. This "riot" must be a wet dream.
tkscz
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The only people rioting are the cops.
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