Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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@TheAPJournalist: Rep. John Lewis calls on President Obama to declare martial law and federalize the Missouri National Guard. #Ferguson #MichaelBrown
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The civil rights John Lewis? What's that saying about die a hero or become a villain....yeah, that's John Lewis.
 
TheChocolateWar said:
I am not saying I am sure it happened. I am explaining what the charge was, and how it works in this particular instance. For all we know, a general manager may have called the police and asked them to come kick out the reporters. I don't know if that happened. If it did, they were trespassing, and the asking for identification was pretextual, but valid.
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When you make up excuses for one side while at the same time dismissing the arguments of the other...
 
TheChocolateWar said:
Are you sure a manager didn't make the call without informing people? I mean, it isn't like a manager has to be on site to call the police officers. All the facts are not in. Is it likely the police abused their power and trumped up charges that are some what plausible? Yea, they probably did. I am just explaining how the reporters may have violated the law.
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I'll never understand the need for people to make up excuses for these shit bag police currently abusing civil rights, arresting reporters, as well as tear gassing them and stealing/dismantling their equipment. Even if a manager called, it wouldn't make a single grain of difference condemning the police actions of abusing civilians, let alone journalist, and not identifying themselves when asked. Its as if you're looking for any sort of glimmer of something to enhance and drown out the overall issue, all while saying its likely the police abused their power and trumped up charges. They are violating the law, so why would it matter if reporters were at this point. Its chaos down there;

Eyer was there when armed officers strode into the fast food joint and ordered out patrons, including Huffington Post reporter Ryan J. Reilly and The Washington Post's Wesley Lowery. The pair was in the area to report on the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown and the protests that followed, where ramped up tensions have escalated into brick throwing, tear gas, molotov cocktails and rubber bullets.
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Meanwhile, reporters have been using the McDonald's as a hub because it has WiFi and electric outlets for charging phones and laptops. But McDonald's customers were hustled out Wednesday evening in a noisy show of force — and in the confusion, Reilly and Lowery were aggressively cuffed and taken to a Ferguson Police Department holding cell.

The scuffle was unlike anything McDonald's employees like Eyer had seen before.
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"It's just a terrible thing what happened," said Eyer, who has worked for the company for 34 years. "It's a bad thing. It's just not good."
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Manager Of Ferguson McDonald's Where Reporters Were Arrested: 'It's Just A Terrible Thing'
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ashington-post-reporter-arrested-in-ferguson/
 
I feel like a lot of people here are underestimating just how bad it is if Obama speaks on this issue. He's held off five days for a reason. This is a problem that should be dealt with at the town level, and if that fails, at a state level. Obama has nothing to offer the situation except escalation and a target for Republicans and conservative media to rally behind and further obfuscate the crisis at hand by turning it into an ideological movement. As soon as Obama gets off stage, Republicans are going to go into hyperdrive and these police officers are going to be transformed wholesale into patriots, heroes, and defenders of public security and the constitution.

Obama coming out spitting fire will only make it worse, and it's a poor choice of things to hope for.
 
RastaMentality said:
Fox News using MLK as a silencer lol.
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I have now officially seen everything. Fox News has gone from recent years to downplaying MLK's role in the Civil Rights movement, arguing that legislation from white men were responsible for Civil Rights - not the use of civil disobedience bringing wide spread awareness to the issue, and attempting to justify removing MLK from the history books, to now holding up MLK as an icon whose message should be followed.

Congratulations to Fox News for somehow still avoiding being seen as a parody organization.
 
TheChocolateWar said:
I am not saying I am sure it happened. I am explaining what the charge was, and how it works in this particular instance. For all we know, a general manager may have called the police and asked them to come kick out the reporters. I don't know if that happened. If it did, they were trespassing, and the asking for identification was pretextual, but valid.
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Lets be realistic here, there was no call placed and the police are doing whatever they want, that's pretty clear from the footage I saw last night. I don't know how you could view it any other way.
 
Corronchilejano said:
When you make up excuses for one side while at the same time dismissing the arguments of the other...
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Fine, you want me to discuss the ways the police messed up too?

A police officer is required by law to identify their name and badge number when requested by a person. If they refuse to do so, a person may believe they are being unlawfully detained and may utilize non-deadly force to resist arrest. If the person is injured during the altercation, they may bring a torts action under the waiver of immunity laws of the particular jurisdiction. In the case of Missouri's Code, they recognize the waiver of sovereign immunity in instances like this. Therefore, the reporters have a valid claim for false imprisonment and assault. Happy?

commedieu said:
I'll never understand the need for people to make up excuses for these shit bag police currently abusing civil rights, arresting reporters, as well as tear gassing them and stealing/dismantling their equipment. Even if a manager called, it wouldn't make a single grain of difference condemning the police actions of abusing civilians, let alone journalist, and not identifying themselves when asked. Its as if you're looking for any sort of glimmer of something to enhance and drown out the overall issue, all while saying its likely the police abused their power and trumped up charges. They are violating the law, so why would it matter if reporters were at this point. Its chaos down there;









http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ashington-post-reporter-arrested-in-ferguson/
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Again, as discussed above, the aspie seventeen year old behind the counter does not have authority to let them use the Mcdonalds.
 
TheChocolateWar said:
The news articles I have been reading stated the reason for the initial detention was a failure to identify, and the final charge was trespass. I would argue the initial detention was valid, and there was good reason to believe there was criminal trespass. McDonalds is not a place you can set up your own personal business.
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Where did you read anything stating that the reason for their initial detention was failure to identify?

Re: Criminal trespass. Have you read anywhere where McDonald's requested that the reporters leave the property, or is this going to be like the Walmart story where you attempted to frame the victim as having possibly stolen the bb/pellet gun despite any claims from Walmart that he had in someway exceeded his license with the merchandise?
 
BronsonLee said:
Not gonna lie, before I clicked to see the picture I thought you meant they had an actual MLK silencer.

...Oh my god I'm like Drax. This is a pattern



Then backing up and doing it again. Whole lot of people about to lose their jobs, especially the police chief
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I know he is doing it for political reasons, but damn it I will take it. 50 people? They might just clear everybody out and start new.
 
Rand Paul's caring about racism extends as far as it can be made to be about how the governemnt is flawed. Dude wouldn't have voted on the civil rights act because that infringed on the right of businesses to be racist.
 
There needs to be accountability for what happened. We need to see the top brass of the Ferguson PD fired and charged. Ideally we would see the entire police department replaced, but I doubt we'll see that happen as most will claim "they were only following orders" (following them very eagerly might I add...)
 
Burt said:
As soon as Obama gets off stage, Republicans are going to go into hyperdrive and these police officers are going to be transformed wholesale into patriots, heroes, and defenders of public security and the constitution.
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So the morale of this story is "let fear dictate your ethos and decisions in life"?

Cool story bro.
 
mre said:
Where did you read anything stating that the reason for their initial detention was failure to identify?

Re: Criminal trespass. Have you read anywhere where McDonald's requested that the reporters leave the property, or is this going to be like the Walmart story where you attempted to frame the victim as having possibly stolen the bb/pellet gun despite any claims from Walmart that he had in someway exceeded his license with the merchandise?
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dudes literally falling over himself trying to victim blame. I posted a statement above from the Manager of the Mcdonalds. However he will still find a way to victim blame as he has in the past threads, and is literally doing it in this thread.

ignore everything we know, for the most unlikely scenario to be proven true/false with official statements from the department of justice, 5 years after the thread.

Obama's on...

PFFT.

LOW EXPECTATIONS.
 
mre said:
Where did you read anything stating that the reason for their initial detention was failure to identify?

Re: Criminal trespass. Have you read anywhere where McDonald's requested that the reporters leave the property, or is this going to be like the Walmart story where you attempted to frame the victim as having possibly stolen the bb/pellet gun despite any claims from Walmart that he had in someway exceeded his license with the merchandise?
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Hey again MRE,

Not saying that the criminal trespass charge was valid. Just explaining what the alleged charge was, and how the elements work. Do I think someone called the police and reported them for trespass? Probably not. Could it have happened? Yes.

commedieu said:
dudes literally falling over himself trying to victim blame. I posted a statement above from the Manager of the Mcdonalds. However he will still find a way to victim blame as he has in the past threads, and is literally doing it in this thread..
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The analysis for whether the general manager could give consent is another legal issue as well. I wouldn't say that his position necessarily carries the ability to give consent to use the space. Although he does have apparent authority to grant people use of the space. But then the question becomes, did he? And if he did, did he exceed the scope of his employment?
 
With all of the recent protests going on against police militarization and brutality, I'm wondering if anyone has done a good job at depicting police culture? Going beyond the blue wall and getting in the minds of officers while they're shooting the shit in the back room?

It'd be really interesting to not only get the boots on the ground perspective, but the boots on the table one as well.
 
Slayven said:
Gov throwing the police under the bus and driving that motherfucker.
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It's a smart play. He'll fire a few officers, pay a few families and everything will return to normal and will be swept under the rug. The institutional racism in this country will not be addressed, Fox and others will spin this as savage thugs acting like animals and the same ol same ol will continue.
 
TheChocolateWar said:
I am not saying I am sure it happened. I am explaining what the charge was, and how it works in this particular instance. For all we know, a general manager may have called the police and asked them to come kick out the reporters. I don't know if that happened. If it did, they were trespassing, and the asking for identification was pretextual, but valid.
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Why do you keep claiming they were charged with trespass? Every source I've seen says they were released without charge.
 
TheChocolateWar said:
Fine, you want me to discuss the ways the police messed up too?

A police officer is required by law to identify their name and badge number when requested by a person. If they refuse to do so, a person may believe they are being unlawfully detained and may utilize non-deadly force to resist arrest. If the person is injured during the altercation, they may bring a torts action under the waiver of immunity laws of the particular jurisdiction. In the case of Missouri's Code, they recognize the waiver of sovereign immunity in instances like this. Therefore, the reporters have a valid claim for false imprisonment and assault. Happy?
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So, this is a fact. What is not a fact, was that they were trespassing. Other than the officers commiting an unlawful detention then, could you please stop excusing the cops for abusing their power then?
 
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