Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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B-Dubs said:
That wasn't a filibuster, he wasn't stopping any legislation he just took up everyone else's time to talk. All that time he spent talking was already put aside for discussion and comments.
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This is off-topic. But what he did was classified as a filibuster.
 
besada said:
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Holy shit!!! Is this the first use of that gif?
 
Rand Paul had a good opinion piece in TIME

Anyone who thinks race does not skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention, Sen. Rand Paul writes for TIME, amid violence in Ferguson, Mo. over the police shooting death of Michael Brown

The shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown is an awful tragedy that continues to send shockwaves through the community of Ferguson, Missouri and across the nation.

If I had been told to get out of the street as a teenager, there would have been a distinct possibility that I might have smarted off. But, I wouldn’t have expected to be shot.

The outrage in Ferguson is understandable—though there is never an excuse for rioting or looting. There is a legitimate role for the police to keep the peace, but there should be a difference between a police response and a military response.

The images and scenes we continue to see in Ferguson resemble war more than traditional police action.

Glenn Reynolds, in Popular Mechanics, recognized the increasing militarization of the police five years ago. In 2009 he wrote:

Soldiers and police are supposed to be different. … Police look inward. They’re supposed to protect their fellow citizens from criminals, and to maintain order with a minimum of force.

It’s the difference between Audie Murphy and Andy Griffith. But nowadays, police are looking, and acting, more like soldiers than cops, with bad consequences. And those who suffer the consequences are usually innocent civilians.

The Cato Institute’s Walter Olson observed this week how the rising militarization of law enforcement is currently playing out in Ferguson:

Why armored vehicles in a Midwestern inner suburb? Why would cops wear camouflage gear against a terrain patterned by convenience stores and beauty parlors? Why are the authorities in Ferguson, Mo. so given to quasi-martial crowd control methods (such as bans on walking on the street) and, per the reporting ofRiverfront Times, the firing of tear gas at people in their own yards? (“‘This my property!’ he shouted, prompting police to fire a tear gas canister directly at his face.”) Why would someone identifying himself as an 82nd Airborne Army veteran, observing the Ferguson police scene, comment that “We rolled lighter than that in an actual warzone”?

Olson added, “the dominant visual aspect of the story, however, has been the sight of overpowering police forces confronting unarmed protesters who are seen waving signs or just their hands.”

How did this happen?

Most police officers are good cops and good people. It is an unquestionably difficult job, especially in the current circumstances.

There is a systemic problem with today’s law enforcement.

Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem. Washington has incentivized the militarization of local police precincts by using federal dollars to help municipal governments build what are essentially small armies—where police departments compete to acquire military gear that goes far beyond what most of Americans think of as law enforcement.

This is usually done in the name of fighting the war on drugs or terrorism. The Heritage Foundation’s Evan Bernick wrote in 2013 that, “the Department of Homeland Security has handed out anti-terrorism grants to cities and towns across the country, enabling them to buy armored vehicles, guns, armor, aircraft, and other equipment.”

Bernick continued, “federal agencies of all stripes, as well as local police departments in towns with populations less than 14,000, come equipped with SWAT teams and heavy artillery.”

Bernick noted the cartoonish imbalance between the equipment some police departments possess and the constituents they serve, “today, Bossier Parish, Louisiana, has a .50 caliber gun mounted on an armored vehicle. The Pentagon gives away millions of pieces of military equipment to police departments across the country—tanks included.”

When you couple this militarization of law enforcement with an erosion of civil liberties and due process that allows the police to become judge and jury—national security letters, no-knock searches, broad general warrants, pre-conviction forfeiture—we begin to have a very serious problem on our hands.

Given these developments, it is almost impossible for many Americans not to feel like their government is targeting them. Given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system, it is impossible for African-Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.

This is part of the anguish we are seeing in the tragic events outside of St. Louis, Missouri. It is what the citizens of Ferguson feel when there is an unfortunate and heartbreaking shooting like the incident with Michael Brown.

Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention. Our prisons are full of black and brown men and women who are serving inappropriately long and harsh sentences for non-violent mistakes in their youth.

The militarization of our law enforcement is due to an unprecedented expansion of government power in this realm. It is one thing for federal officials to work in conjunction with local authorities to reduce or solve crime. It is quite another for them to subsidize it.

Americans must never sacrifice their liberty for an illusive and dangerous, or false, security. This has been a cause I have championed for years, and one that is at a near-crisis point in our country.

Let us continue to pray for Michael Brown’s family, the people of Ferguson, police, and citizens alike.
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commedieu said:
Most likely?

Obama's sharia law. I think it means the state police..? Rangers..? I don't know.. either.
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Yeah, I'm sure that's it, I'm just wondering what kind of concrete action the Governor has the power to do. The Governor is supposed to speak at 2:30 according to the article, I guess we will know what he means by "operational shifts".
 
devilhawk said:
She and her husband also run a bunch of slum nursing homes in MO with multiple accounts of abuse. I have a family member physician who pulled all his patients out of them because of that. She is certainly no saint.
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Didn't know that about her. Thanks for the info. Won't be sending money for her reelection.
 
Question: last night there were reports that people were calling Ferguson police to check on the status of some prisoners and were being met with laughter and explicitly racial language. Did anybody ever record those phone calls and make it available?
 
mre said:
Question: last night there were reports that people were calling Ferguson police to check on the status of some prisoners and were being met with laughter and explicitly racial language. Did anybody ever record those phone calls and make it available?
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WOOOOOWWWWWW, seriously? I hope someone recorded that. That is beyond fucked up.
 
mre said:
Question: last night there were reports that people were calling Ferguson police to check on the status of some prisoners and were being met with laughter and explicitly racial language. Did anybody ever record those phone calls and make it available?
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No way to know if it were fake or not.
 
mre said:
Question: last night there were reports that people were calling Ferguson police to check on the status of some prisoners and were being met with laughter and explicitly racial language. Did anybody ever record those phone calls and make it available?
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I have no idea, but I am seething if that's true.
 
Im watching the video of the chief.
Now I'm no psychologist yet, but someone who says "uhm" a lot basically means they are nervous and unprepared right?
 
dark_chris said:
Im watching the video of the chief.
Now I'm no psychologist yet, but someone who says "uhm" a lot basically means they are nervous and unprepared right?
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He was stuttering and stammering. Dude was totally unprepared. He probably did a presser just because he was told he had to.
 
InfiniteBento said:
WOOOOOWWWWWW, seriously? I hope someone recorded that. That is beyond fucked up.
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They were twitter reports, so tank them with a large grain of salt: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125322920&postcount=4735
KINGofCRA5H said:
No way to know if it were fake or not.
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Yep, which is why I was wondering if recordings had popped up. They were allegedly reacting the same with with anybody who called to inquire on someone who was locked up, so I'm hoping--if this is true-- that somebody would have thought to record one of the calls.
 
When are we finally going to collectively tell Anon to shut up? They got the video from the kids' phone of the other kid talking about the rape... and now they think they are real heroes. When in reality, all they do is keep fucking up. They can STFU.

FBI is investigating, right? I guess that's why there hasn't been an official murder charge yet. But, it's definitely coming if these witnesses are even HALF true. I'm so tired of cops circumventing constitutional rights and lying to get convictions. I wish America was a gun-free county like in the other country I lived. Not possible, I know... and maybe there will come a day where we'll be glad the guns are here... but no today.
 
dark_chris said:
Im watching the video of the chief.
Now I'm no psychologist yet, but someone who says "uhm" a lot basically means they are nervous and unprepared right?
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I would chuck it up to public speaking not being his forte. That said, he certainly was not fully abreast of the situation.
 
Police truly fucked up when they went after the press. That was their nail in the coffin IMO.

It's sad, however, to know that if they hadn't gone after the press we wouldn't have seen a unified derision of the police force. We wouldn't have seen politicians from both sides support full investigations, and we wouldn't have seen the press grill the police chief the way they did. If this had been squarely about the protesters and Michael Brown it would've been swept under the rug.
 
I still can't believe the cops were stupid enough to think that tear gassing the press and fellow citizens would help quiet down the situation involving them murdering an unarmed teenager. #handsupdontshoot is crazy
 
Cop: "Hey!"
Black Guy: "What"
Cop: "Stop being so menacingly black!"
Black Guy: "What?"
Cop: "That's it you asked for it!"
Black Guy: "Tell my family that I love them"
 
vas_a_morir said:
Republicans are jumping on as a way to make Obama look bad. Rand Paul did it to prepare for his presidential run. Going to pain Obama and all authority under him as the beginning of a totalitarian regime in a *tongue in cheek* way. Expect more.
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It's funny how opportunistic these mother fuckers are.

Politicians, specially the current Republicans that are steering that insane group up at the top.
 
Rachel Lippmann ‏@rlippmann 12m - @ChiefSLMPD says @SLMPD will not be providing any support in #Ferguson tonight. (1/2)

Rachel Lippmann ‏@rlippmann 11m
(2/2) Partly b/c of events scheduled for city, but also b/c personal values have conflicted w/ support for fellow officers.
 
vas_a_morir said:
When are we finally going to collectively tell Anon to shut up? They got the video from the kids' phone of the other kid talking about the rape... and now they think they are real heroes. When in reality, all they do is keep fucking up. They can STFU.

FBI is investigating, right? I guess that's why there hasn't been an official murder charge yet. But, it's definitely coming if these witnesses are even HALF true. I'm so tired of cops circumventing constitutional rights and lying to get convictions. I wish America was a gun-free county like in the other country I lived. Not possible, I know... and maybe there will come a day where we'll be glad the guns are here... but no today.
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when we elect you president of our collective voice. It isn't 1 group of folks.. its people that do things in the name of anon -- sometimes. They are doing j ust as much as anyone else is, outside of internet harassment, hardly much spilled milk. People know now to wait out for more info from them, like you said, they've screwed up.

Death threats to people choosing to keep murderers out of the spot light is a natural occurrence when people have no viable means of attaining a goal. A % of the population gets no answers from investigations. Police aren't reprimanded in this country. There is nothing else bu this powder keg just waiting for shit to blow up in either direction. Police abuse, or rioting. There is no forum for getting anything done to appease the side of folks that are being maimed/killed/abused. I welcome the information in a world with a broken justice system.

If things were fixed, then there'd be no need for anon. Problem solved.
 
Camp Lo said:
Rachel Lippmann ‏@rlippmann 12m - @ChiefSLMPD says @SLMPD will not be providing any support in #Ferguson tonight. (1/2)

Rachel Lippmann ‏@rlippmann 11m
(2/2) Partly b/c of events scheduled for city, but also b/c personal values have conflicted w/ support for fellow officers.
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I wonder what this means...
 
commedieu said:
when we elect you president of our collective voice. It isn't 1 group of folks.. its people that do things in the name of anon -- sometimes. They are doing j ust as much as anyone else is, outside of internet harassment, hardly much spilled milk. People know now to wait out for more info from them, like you said, they've screwed up.

Death threats to people choosing to keep murderers out of the spot light is a natural occurrence when people have no viable means of attaining a goal. A % of the population gets no answers from investigations. Police aren't reprimanded in this country. There is nothing else bu this powder keg just waiting for shit to blow up in either direction. Police abuse, or rioting. There is no forum for getting anything done to appease the side of folks that are being maimed/killed/abused. I welcome the information in a world with a broken justice system.

If things were fixed, then there'd be no need for anon. Problem solved.
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Anon's lack of central leadership means they have no credibility IMO. Anybody can post anything. So why listen to anybody who claims to be Anon, when they have proven time and time again to be incompetent? I'd rather see someone with a face and a name who is willing to stake their reputation on their info. That's the risk real journalists take. These fake script kids? It's for the lulz for them.
 
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