Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Hey guys, turns out that cop has some facial swelling that they just declined to mention until now. See? The kid attacked him!

Additional information came out Wednesday that suggests Brown’s death was anything but a murder. Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson confirmed the still unidentified officer who shot him was serious injured by the teen.

The “side of his face was swollen” after Brown struck him, Jackson confirmed, though he did not offer specifics regarding the officer’s condition.

Police did, however, offer some insight into the events leading up to the shooting. According to reports, Brown was with a friend at an apartment complex when the officer attempted to get out of his cruiser.

The teen reportedly initiated an altercation, pushing the officer back into the vehicle and struggling to retrieve his weapon. A fatal shot was then fired within the car, police confirm.

While some onlookers claim Brown had his hands raised just before he was shot, the confirmation that the officer sustained facial injuries suggests there was, in fact, an altercation prior to the incident that sparked widespread anger in the community.
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Odd that this didn't come up before, huh?
 
EatinOlives said:
They can make up anything they want, the incident is far too well documented for their ridiculous lies to be believed.
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Try to remember that this dead black male will not get the benefit of the doubt. You need to steel yourself for the inevitability that we will not see justice for any of this.
 
Punchy4486 said:
Hey guys, turns out that cop has some facial bruising that they just declined to mention until now. See? The kid attacked him!



Odd that this didn't come up before, huh?
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Punching a cop is punishable by death? What?

Let's play along for a second. Fine, let's pretend Mike Brown was the aggressor and the cop feared for his life and fired off a shot. After that he ran and was no longer a threat. He had to fire off how many more shots on an unarmed person? Doesn't make sense.
 
freakzilla149 said:
OMG! Why are you people so fucking simple? Until it is shown to be otherwise with some actual follow through this is nothing more than PR, as Microsoft would say, it's just 'messaging'.
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Really dude?

This is the guy in charge of the state police force handling the protests now. Just the simple act of going out there and treating people with respect has a huge impact.

MSNBC has Chris Hayes live from the exact place the craziness was happening yesterday and there's no big militarized police force in a line. There are cops interspersed with the crowd and everyone is getting along really well.

He clearly understands actual community policing and how to not escalate tensions. I don't think tensions have been this low since the whole ordeal started.

heliosRAzi said:
The Major for St. Louis PD or County PD or whichever just said that it is not standard for cops to aim their weapons at a peaceful protest.
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Many of the military people in that link posted earlier were calling that out. You don't level your weapon unless presented with a threat. It's actually a violation of the rules of engagement for our military to point their weapons at unarmed civilians (as it should be).
 
Nokagi said:
How so?
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Primarily, it brings up the question of when these cameras are allowed to be turned off, or the variability of cops saying they "malfunctioned". For instance, when an officer is talking to a confidential informant or another sensitive source, are they allowed to turn it off? What about when they are talking to a vulnerable victim of something like sexual assault? Should that entire conversation be video taped? If you allow discretion for the cops so that they can turn it on and off when they feel the need, what's to say that they won't only have it on when it is at their advantage to do so?

Who gets to watch the tapes? Who gets to access them? If the police often can't even be trusted to do basic things, do we trust these same people to safely store possibly sensitive footage?

That's what I mean when I say murky. It just seems like it is something that needs to be eased into, and isn't just a catch-all remedy for preventing police abuse.

I do think we at least need to get cameras on our weaponized riot police. The people in these situations where they could easily kill or injure another person. And I think that in certain tense and problematic areas of social or racial tension such as Ferguson, that it would be a possible option to pave the way to improved police-citizen relations. But in my opinion, to say that ALL cops at all times EVERYWHERE should have to wear a camera seems a bit naive and sort of misses the other things that cops actually do.

freakzilla149 said:
OMG! Why are you people so fucking simple? Until it is shown to be otherwise with some actual follow through this is nothing more than PR, as Microsoft would say, it's just 'messaging'.
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You need to calm down.
 
My favorite from that link

Alex Horton
‏@AlexHortonTX
Postures tell story of perceived threat. L: aggressive security during AJ camera dismantling. R: patrolling in Iraq.
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CrankyJay said:
Punching a cop is punishable by death? What?

Let's play along for a second. Fine, let's pretend Mike Brown was the aggressor and the cop feared for his life and fired off a shot. After that he ran and was no longer a threat. He had to fire off how many more shots on an unarmed person? Doesn't make sense.
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I haven't read the accounts myself yet but I was told by a buddy that the friend who was walking with Mike Brown said the door of the police cruiser hit the police officer in the head when it bounced off brown. If that's true then there's your bruising right there.
 
freakzilla149 said:
OMG! Why are you people so fucking simple? Until it is shown to be otherwise with some actual follow through this is nothing more than PR, as Microsoft would say, it's just 'messaging'.
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A change of message was all that was needed. This isn't going over people's head, as you might suspect. When the message changes from "You are the enemy" to "I'll march with you" there is a world of difference
 
Saint Gregory said:
I haven't read the accounts myself yet but I was told by a buddy that the friend who was walking with Mike Brown said the door of the police cruiser hit the police officer in the head when it bounced off brown. If that's true then there's your bruising right there.
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You should read the accounts.

freakzilla149 said:
OMG! Why are you people so fucking simple? Until it is shown to be otherwise with some actual follow through this is nothing more than PR, as Microsoft would say, it's just 'messaging'.
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You should stop posting.
 
Saint Gregory said:
I haven't read the accounts myself yet but I was told by a buddy that the friend who was walking with Mike Brown said the door of the police cruiser hit the police officer in the head when it bounced off brown. If that's true then there's your bruising right there.
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Guaranteed this will get lost when it is claimed that the cop shot him in self-defence.
 
Trojita said:
The situation described sounds so ridiculous. A cop trying to get out of a cop car with someone pushing them back in as he is getting out and the cop going gun crazy and shooting from within their car.
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Seriously, Cop starts get out of car. Unarmed teen decides to wrestle the cop back in the car while trying to get his gun to kill him. Kid must have just spontaneously thought of that.
 
freakzilla149 said:
OMG! Why are you people so fucking simple? Until it is shown to be otherwise with some actual follow through this is nothing more than PR, as Microsoft would say, it's just 'messaging'.
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The fact that the police have realized they need good PR shows that they realized how far they overstepped the line. Which gives us hope that maybe things will get better now that they've gotten burned from their initial militant approach and will head for more peaceful resolution methods now.
 
The eyewitness accounts seem like they'd be easy to verify. Was the kid shot in the back at all? Also ballistics can tell if it was close range or not
 
Cloudy said:
The eyewitness accounts seem like they'd be easy to verify. Was the kid shot in the back at all? Also ballistics can tell if it was close range or not
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My assumption is that there is no way that they WOULDN'T release the autopsy if Mike Brown *wasn't* shot in the back.

All that "lets wait for the investigation to run its course" shit would go out the window if they had evidence that could calm the outrage.
 
some kind of commotion at the rally, as seen on the CNN feed. Anybody have any idea what happened?

Edit: It was MSNBC and apparently somebody just got ill. Nevermind.
 
Kitschkraft said:
My assumption is that there is no way that they WOULDN'T release the autopsy if Mike Brown *wasn't* shot in the back.

All that "lets wait for the investigation to run its course" shit would go out the window if they had evidence that could calm the outrage.
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My thoughts exactly. If they can see the entry would to be in the front proving he was facing the officer then why the fuck wouldn't they have released it by now. Of course Ferguson police has proven themselves to be hilariously incompetent so I guess nothing would surprised me now from them.
 
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