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[Sho_Nuff82]

No, he was shot for presumably assaulting an officer and trying to get his gun. Seeing as how brown had no problem assaulting a tiny elderly person, it's possible he'd have no problem trying the same shit with a cop.

Even amongst criminals, that's quite the stretch, no?

 

[MHWilliams]

Wasn't the original story that he ran from the cop cruiser when they tried to question him? If he was a suspect for the robbery and then ran away when you attempted to question him, what would you do? There's like a two second window to make a decision and the cop chose to use his gun. Maybe he was trying to fire a warning shot, maybe he was out of range for the tazer, I don't know. All I do know is that you don't let a robbery suspect run away scot free after you attempt to question him.
That said, if the stories of Brown putting up his arms and surrendering are true, then it's clear the officer used excessive force and should be prosecuted.
Unless he actually tried to take the cops gun.

We don't shoot running suspects in unarmed robbery. That's not what lethal force is for.

Seriously, people just want this dude to be a rapist and murder to justify him being killed. If you can catch Dzhokhar Tsarnaev alive, you can handle a kid running from you.

 

[BronsonLee]

Wasn't the original story that he ran from the cop cruiser when they tried to question him? If he was a suspect for the robbery and then ran away when you attempted to question him, what would you do?

NOT FUCKING SHOOT SOMEONE RUNNING AWAY

You absolutely do not use your gun in that situation. That's complete nonsense. And a warning shot...aimed at the back?

 

[Omegasquash]

No, he was shot for presumably assaulting an officer and trying to get his gun. Seeing as how brown had no problem assaulting a tiny elderly person, it's possible he'd have no problem trying the same shit with a cop.

So much nope.

 

[marrec]

Wasn't the original story that he ran from the cop cruiser when they tried to question him? If he was a suspect for the robbery and then ran away when you attempted to question him, what would you do? There's like a two second window to make a decision and the cop chose to use his gun. Maybe he was trying to fire a warning shot, maybe he was out of range for the tazer, I don't know. All I do know is that you don't let a robbery suspect run away scot free after you attempt to question him.
That said, if the stories of Brown putting up his arms and surrendering are true, then it's clear the officer used excessive force and should be prosecuted.
Unless he actually tried to take the cops gun.

You don't shoot at a guy you want to question for shoplifting unless you're fucking crazy.

 

[Cloudy]

LMAO. So the fact that the kid stole cigs justifies gunning him down?

 

[Tripon]

Wasn't the original story that he ran from the cop cruiser when they tried to question him? If he was a suspect for the robbery and then ran away when you attempted to question him, what would you do? There's like a two second window to make a decision and the cop chose to use his gun. Maybe he was trying to fire a warning shot, maybe he was out of range for the tazer, I don't know. All I do know is that you don't let a robbery suspect run away scot free after you attempt to question him.
That said, if the stories of Brown putting up his arms and surrendering are true, then it's clear the officer used excessive force and should be prosecuted.
Unless he actually tried to take the cops gun, then I don't know wtf happens. Crazy story all around.

Explain the 9 other shots his gun bore into Michael Brown.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Wasn't the original story that he ran from the cop cruiser when they tried to question him? If he was a suspect for the robbery and then ran away when you attempted to question him, what would you do? There's like a two second window to make a decision and the cop chose to use his gun. Maybe he was trying to fire a warning shot, maybe he was out of range for the tazer, I don't know. All I do know is that you don't let a robbery suspect run away scot free after you attempt to question him.
That said, if the stories of Brown putting up his arms and surrendering are true, then it's clear the officer used excessive force and should be prosecuted.
Unless he actually tried to take the cops gun.

Even if it was him, don't call it a robbery case. This was shoplifting, not robbery.

Besides, there's no real evidence this was him, and this contradicts every piece of eye-witness testimony that already exists.

 

[Kacho]

Or the hat, guy in the grainy pic is wearing a hat, there's no hat in the pics of Brown dead in the street.

He could have lost the hat in the initial struggle with the officer.

 

[jordan0386]

I'd like to hear what the clerk or lady thinks. Brown has a distinct looking face to me. She should be able to tell based on photos whether this person was Brown.

Anything other than no, that wasn't him will get her blackballed.

 

[teiresias]

Wasn't the original story that he ran from the cop cruiser when they tried to question him? If he was a suspect for the robbery and then ran away when you attempted to question him, what would you do? There's like a two second window to make a decision and the cop chose to use his gun. Maybe he was trying to fire a warning shot, maybe he was out of range for the tazer, I don't know. All I do know is that you don't let a robbery suspect run away scot free after you attempt to question him.
That said, if the stories of Brown putting up his arms and surrendering are true, then it's clear the officer used excessive force and should be prosecuted.
Unless he actually tried to take the cops gun, then I don't know wtf happens. Crazy story all around.

Are you honestly advocating using lethal force on a fleeing suspect that may or may not even be guilty. Get out of here with that BS.

 

[marrec]

LMAO. So the fact that the kid stole cigs justifies gunning him down?

Apparently according to Brolic Gaoler Brown was a dangerous criminal who needed to be put down.

 

[everyday math]

Wasn't the original story that he ran from the cop cruiser when they tried to question him? If he was a suspect for the robbery and then ran away when you attempted to question him, what would you do? There's like a two second window to make a decision and the cop chose to use his gun. Maybe he was trying to fire a warning shot, maybe he was out of range for the tazer, I don't know. All I do know is that you don't let a robbery suspect run away scot free after you attempt to question him.
That said, if the stories of Brown putting up his arms and surrendering are true, then it's clear the officer used excessive force and should be prosecuted.
Unless he actually tried to take the cops gun, then I don't know wtf happens. Crazy story all around.

Ummmm you never ever shoot an unarmed man. Officer has fucking legs and a car. Chase his ass down then.

 

[vas_a_morir]

The clothing of the guy in the video doesn't match the pic of Brown's dead body.

In the video, the guy is wearing a longer shirt, a hat, dark shorts, and socks with sandals.

In the pic of Brown's dead body, he is wearing a tighter shirt, tan shorts that are sagging below his hips, shoes and no hat.

Two different people IMO.

Let me preface this by saying 'if it was him, he didn't deserve to be shot.'

However, it is highly unlikely it isn't him. Didn't his friend (the bruh guy) say he stole something? I believe he said 'Rolos' or something like that. Wasn't that one of the eye witnesses that people said was credible?

So, if it's not him, he is officially the unluckiest man ever to grace this earth. Some other 6'4 heavyweight black dude wearing a grey shirt, khaki shorts, socks, and sandals robs a store at the same time in the same area he happens to be walking with a grey shirt, khaki shorts, socks and sandals. And his friend said he had stolen merchandise, but I guess he could have lied about that. That seems REALLY convincing to me. I don't want it to be true, but it seems to be the same person.

 

[xnipx]

No, he was shot for presumably assaulting an officer and trying to get his gun. Seeing as how brown had no problem assaulting a tiny elderly person, it's possible he'd have no problem trying the same shit with a cop.

Good to know you're not quick to make any assumptions of guilt....

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Wasn't the original story that he ran from the cop cruiser when they tried to question him? If he was a suspect for the robbery and then ran away when you attempted to question him, what would you do?

You certainly don't shoot them multiple times. You run them down, tackle them, read them their rights and put them in the back of the squad car. Taser is an option here. If he has a weapon, then you defend yourself appropriately.

 

[slit]

Wasn't the original story that he ran from the cop cruiser when they tried to question him? If he was a suspect for the robbery and then ran away when you attempted to question him, what would you do? There's like a two second window to make a decision and the cop chose to use his gun. Maybe he was trying to fire a warning shot, maybe he was out of range for the tazer, I don't know. All I do know is that you don't let a robbery suspect run away scot free after you attempt to question him.
That said, if the stories of Brown putting up his arms and surrendering are true, then it's clear the officer used excessive force and should be prosecuted.
Unless he actually tried to take the cops gun, then I don't know wtf happens. Crazy story all around.

What?!? We're talking about lethal force here. Him running away with gummy bears or whatever is not what that's for.

 

[Big Baybee]

Wasn't the original story that he ran from the cop cruiser when they tried to question him? If he was a suspect for the robbery and then ran away when you attempted to question him, what would you do? There's like a two second window to make a decision and the cop chose to use his gun. Maybe he was trying to fire a warning shot, maybe he was out of range for the tazer, I don't know. All I do know is that you don't let a robbery suspect run away scot free after you attempt to question him.

Cops don't fire warning shots. You can't shoot someone for running away from you or stealing shit out of a store.

 

[BronsonLee]

I have no idea why you guys are giving Brolic the time of day

 

[turtle553]

....if true...Strip the police of everything they have.

Those tweets specifically refer to the QT that he was shot by. The video looks like it may have come from a different store. So when people say QT didn't call the police, they think nobody did at any store.

At least from what I can tell.

 

[Dosia]

LMAO. So the fact that the kid stole cigs justifies gunning him down?

Yes.

Spoiler

According to Darren Wilson

 

[ced]

Woah shit what? Are you being sarcastic?

You were in the store when the tiny elderly person was roughed up? You were on the street when Brown was shot?

We don't even know if the guy in the video stole anything. We don't even know if the guy in the video was Brown.

Goes both ways dude.

Brown was shot because he matched the description of a black guy who might or might not have taken some swisher sweets.

You witnessed what happened between Brown and the officer?

These situations suck, eye witness reports suck (especially the police). Hopefully something good comes out of this in the way of recording devices on officers.

Emotions are high in this thread so it's understandable, but no one knows what happened yet. Hopefully an independent investigation report surfaces or some video does.

Also the shoplifting / robbery connection is irrelevant.

 

[CesspoolofHatred]

lol, that's his underwear.

....Why are his pants down that much?

 

[elrechazado]

Clearly tobacco related offenses merit the death penalty. We have NYC cops choking a guy to death over unlicensed cigarettes. Now Missouri cops bravely shooting a cigar thief.

I for one salute these brave warriors of the fight against tobacco related offenses.

 

[InfiniteBento]

Wasn't the original story that he ran from the cop cruiser when they tried to question him? If he was a suspect for the robbery and then ran away when you attempted to question him, what would you do?

You don't fucking kill someone if they are running away from you, no matter the circumstances.

Death should NOT be the first solution.

 

[ahoyhoy]

Even if it was him, don't call it a robbery case. This was shoplifting, not robbery.

Besides, there's no real evidence this was him, and this contradicts every piece of eye-witness testimony that already exists.

Someone posted a code or something that clarifies robbery as stealing something with assault. It doesn't matter how much he stole, the person in the pictures was clearly assaulting the person in the process.

 

[Badosh]

They said that Johnson was also in the store.

Versus Johnson saying he didnt meet up with the victim until later in the street.

Where is Johnson in the video?

Well, in the pictures there is another person there to the side?

 

[Saganator]

No, he was shot for presumably assaulting an officer and trying to get his gun. Seeing as how brown had no problem assaulting a tiny elderly person, it's possible he'd have no problem trying the same shit with a cop.

If Brown did in fact go for the officer's gun, the officer would've been justified in shooting Brown during the struggle. The officer's justification for shooting Brown went away when Brown took off running.

 

[marrec]

You certainly don't shoot them multiple times. You run them down, tackle them, read them their rights and put them in the back of the squad car.

Or just drive to his house and knock on his door. It's not like Brown was going to skip town that night. People would know where he was.

You don't gun him down in the street.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

....Why are his pants down that much?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagging_(fashion)

 

[everyday math]

I still wanna know why they didn't arrest the other kid then.

 

[jamesinclair]

Hey guys, lets get the real character assassination going

Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.

“On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet.

The address is the headquarters of the Ferguson Police Department, where a 52-year-old welder named Henry Davis was taken in the predawn hours on that date. He had been arrested for an outstanding warrant that proved to actually be for another man of the same surname, but a different middle name and Social Security number.

“I said, ‘I told you guys it wasn’t me,’” Davis later testified.

He recalled the booking officer saying, “We have a problem.”

The booking officer had no other reason to hold Davis, who ended up in Ferguson only because he missed the exit for St. Charles and then pulled off the highway because the rain was so heavy he could not see to drive. The cop who had pulled up behind him must have run his license plate and assumed he was that other Henry Davis. Davis said the cop approached his vehicle, grabbed his cellphone from his hand, cuffed him and placed him in the back seat of the patrol car, without a word of explanation.

...

“They started hitting me,” he testified. “I was getting hit and I just covered up.”

The other two stepped out and the female officer allegedly lifted Davis’ head as the cop who had initially pushed him into the cell reappeared.

“He ran in and kicked me in the head,” Davis recalled. “I almost passed out at that point… Paramedics came… They said it was too much blood, I had to go to the hospital.”

He was driven back to the jail, where he was held for several days before he posted $1,500 bond on four counts of “property damage.” Police Officer John Beaird had signed complaints swearing on pain of perjury that Davis had bled on his uniform and those of three fellow officers.

...

The contradictions between the complaint and the depositions apparently are what prompted the prosecutor to drop the “property damage” allegation. The prosecutor also dropped a felony charge of assault on an officer that had been lodged more than a year after the incident and shortly after Davis filed his civil suit.

Indisputable evidence of what transpired in the cell might have been provided by a surveillance camera, but it turned out that the VHS video was recorded at 32 times normal speed.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...erguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

 

[Bluekaveli]

I think someone from Lifetime is writing these stories for the police.

 

[The Technomancer]

Important to highlight the other side of the coin as well...a white guy can get away with loads of what you just said, and more. Black citizens are treated with less respect and dignity, and are NOT given the benefit of the doubt in this country.

But if you ever invoke the specter of this, say, being a textbook example of white privilege suddenly you're a reverse-racist who doesn't understand that white people can have it tough too

Spoiler

I'm also a white guy...

 

[Cat]

The police are not the ones who ultimately decide that. It's the district attorney and going by some of his statements I have some doubts he will be charged.

If he IS charged, how long will that take to happen?

 

[Badosh]

Wasn't the original story that he ran from the cop cruiser when they tried to question him? If he was a suspect for the robbery and then ran away when you attempted to question him, what would you do?

You don't shot. That's should the LAST thing you should do.

 

[InfiniteBento]

Or just drive to his house and knock on his door. It's not like Brown was going to skip town that night. People would know where he was.

You don't gun him down in the street.

This. Even using a taser to subdue him would've been suffice.

 

[ahoyhoy]

If Brown did in fact go for the officer's gun, the officer would've been justified in shooting Brown during the struggle. The officer's justification for shooting Brown went away when Brown took off running.

Basically this. Under the cop's narrative, the only justified shooting would have been the first shot fired during the struggle. After the victim had been injured/was running, the only justified use of force would have been in properly detaining him using reasonable physical force, not deadly force.

 

[abuC]

He could have lost the hat in the initial struggle with the officer.

There's video of the scene 5 mins after the shooting, no hat anywhere in the area.

 

[Omegasquash]

LMAO. So the fact that the kid stole cigs justifies gunning him down?

Let's not forget, it's not even a fact as yet, and it wasn't a fact to the officers when Brown was killed.

 

[HerbertFish]

You don't fucking kill someone if they are running away from you, no matter the circumstances.

Death should NOT be the first solution.

If they are touting a weapon I highly disagree with this. Of course he didn't so doesn't matter.

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

I was referring to the monetary value of the stolen goods. In many cases this matters. Clearly he is a hardend criminal deserving the execution he received.

Read that statute again. The monetary value is inconsequential. The crime of robbery in Missouri only has two elements: 1) stealing property AND 2) doing so forcibly.

I don't know if Brown is the guy who committed the robbery or not, and I'm not making any comment on that issue. I'm just pointing out that your "legal analysis" is awful and is not helping anybody.

 

[Askani]

Those tweets specifically refer to the QT that he was shot by. The video looks like it may have come from a different store. So when people say QT didn't call the police, they think nobody did at any store.

At least from what I can tell.

I think this is true. People and reports are conflating the two stores.

I'd like a local map showing where everything is/happened.

 

[codhand]

 

[vas_a_morir]

I still wanna know why they didn't arrest the other kid then.

If the other man is the guy in the video in the kitchen... he claims he ran because he was scared for his life. So, maybe that's the explanation: the other guy ran off and evaded police. I dunno.

Either way, I'm sure he would hope that people would stop 'wondering aloud' why he wasn't arrested and using his name.

 

[slit]

If he IS charged, how long will that take to happen?

There is no deadline as far as I know. He can do it whenever he wants.

 

[Cloudy]

Wait, the clothing is totally different. Even if it's him, there's no way the shooting happened right after the robbery. I don't get this...

 

[CrankyJay]

LMAO. So the fact that the kid stole cigs justifies gunning him down?

It's a calculated attempt to discredit Brown and Johnson to sway the public into thinking that Brown truly was the aggressor and the cop's intentions were pristine. It's the same shit that they did for Trayvon Martin...just look at the front page of Drudge...someone dug up a photo of Brown flicking off the camera.

The problem with that is it still doesn't change the fact the cop unloaded a clip into an unarmed person running away...at that point the person is no longer a threat, and it's not shoot to kill.

 

[ced]

Where is a link to the official police officers report?

I was only aware of the shot during the officers claimed struggle with Brown, I didn't know he shot him again for no reason outside of a struggle.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

No, he was shot for presumably assaulting an officer and trying to get his gun. Seeing as how brown had no problem assaulting a tiny elderly person, it's possible he'd have no problem trying the same shit with a cop.

The notion that this was completely self defense and that he was shot in a struggle wherein Brown was reaching for his gun only makes any sense at all to me if it's ultimately determined that he was fatally wounded via one shot. If we assume that multiple shots fired is a given, I don't understand the "reaching for the gun" claim. Even if there was such a struggle, as soon as Brown is shot once, clearly, Officer Wilson is control of the gun. Was Brown still reaching for the gun on each of the subsequent shots?