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[marrec]

Capt. Ron's pressers are like a night and day difference compared to Chief Wiggum.

Pun sort of intended.

 

[Foggy]

I would love to see that happen for every officer in the country. Only obstacle should be cost.

And the police unions.

 

[beanman25]

It's odd, but probably a coincidence. Cardinals hats are probably everywhere.

They are everywhere. I wear one 90% of the time when I'm out.

 

[Malyse]

the term is being used by the posters and the analysts to mean felony suspect, obviously not convicted felon. C'mon now.

How are you applying something called fleeing felon.

 

[BronsonLee]

Basically the long and the short of it:

If the autopsy report shows the amount of shots the witnesses are claiming, none of this matters, right?

Since the witness accounts directly conflict with the cop's on this matter, it should be pretty straightforward.

 

[squatingyeti]

He didn't try to detain him through the car window. Even the friend said the cop tried to exit the vehicle.

I've just been lurking, but is anyone following the logic from Zoe? I keep seeing, "why would he try to detain him through the window?" and "why would he confront them about jaywalking if it was about a robbery?"

We have no idea if he did so or not. We only have the one friend who says it was about jaywalking. However, said friend has also failed to mention they were likely just involved in a robbery.

NONE of that excuses being shot multiple times. Just pointing out how some people are seeing what they want possibly.

 

[jakonovski]

Someone get this clear for me,

He shoplifted cigarettes, and assaulted an elderly man. Then when the officer questioned him on the street, they supposedly got into a scuffle in the police cars driver window, where he tried to reach for the police officers gun(?).

I don't know if its all true, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt, but if it is, maybe you shouldn't do all that stuff if you don't want a risk of getting put into harms way.
Not saying its right what happened either if its true.

Dogwhistle.

 

[Cloudy]

This Ron guy is doing a great job. These people just want to be heard and someone is finally listening

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Someone get this clear for me,

He shoplifted cigarettes, and assaulted an elderly man. Then when the officer questioned him on the street, they supposedly got into a scuffle in the police cars driver window, where he tried to reach for the police officers gun(?).

I don't know if its all true, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt, but if it is, maybe you shouldn't do all that stuff if you don't want a risk of getting put into harms way.
Not saying its right what happened either if its true.

YUP!

 

[Somnia]

It's irrelevant. A red herring. Nothing that came out today makes Mike Brown's murder okay.

That has NOTHING to do with what I posted. I 100% stated he murdered the kid. I just am trying to put in my mind what happened at that moment. Determining exactly what happened is something people want to know, it doesn't change the fact Brown as killed by Wilson, but people still want to know the full story and I was just thinking about loud.

Re-read my post and see how I said nothing stated today makes his murder ok.

 

[BearPawB]

Basically the long and the short of it:

If the autopsy report shows the amount of shots the witnesses are claiming, none of this matters, right?

Since the witness accounts directly conflict with the cop's on this matter, it should be pretty straightforward.

Im not even sure one shot could possibly be justified.
But multiple? Impossible

 

[Infinite]

They are everywhere. I wear one 90% of the time when I'm out.

It's st.louis who doesn't have a cardinals hat?

 

[phaonaut]

It's odd, but probably a coincidence. Cardinals hats are probably everywhere.

If you wear caps and live in stl, you definitely have at least one Cards hat. (live in stl)

 

[marrec]

Someone get this clear for me,

He shoplifted cigarettes, and assaulted an elderly man. Then when the officer questioned him on the street, they supposedly got into a scuffle in the police cars driver window, where he tried to reach for the police officers gun(?).

I don't know if its all true, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt, but if it is, maybe you shouldn't do all that stuff if you don't want a risk of getting put into harms way.
Not saying its right what happened either if its true.

If you don't know if it's true then maybe you shouldn't be talking shit about a kid who got shot 10 times in the street with multiple eyewitnesses saying that he had his hands up when he was killed?

 

[FreddieQuell]

Someone get this clear for me,

He shoplifted cigarettes, and assaulted an elderly man. Then when the officer questioned him on the street, they supposedly got into a scuffle in the police cars driver window, where he tried to reach for the police officers gun(?).

I don't know if its all true, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt, but if it is, maybe you shouldn't do all that stuff if you don't want a risk of getting put into harms way.
Not saying its right what happened either if its true.

Why are people so eager to victim blame?

That has NOTHING to do with what I posted. I 100% stated he murdered the kid. I just am trying to put in my mind what happened at that moment. Determining exactly what happened is something people want to know, it doesn't change the fact Brown as killed by Wilson, but people still want to know the full story and I was just thinking about loud.

Re-read my post and see how I said nothing stated today makes his murder ok.

All I'm saying is that it's irrelevant what happened. Sure, what you described may be how it went down. So my question is why are you even worrying about these specific, irrelevant sequence of events? The police are trying to change the conversation by releasing this information, I'm trying to say don't change the conversation. I don't think anyone should be worrying about what happened in regards to this robbery. We should continue talking about how to get this murdering cop charged.

 

[CesspoolofHatred]

He is only assigned with Highway Patrol to assist with the protests. He is not part of the investigation.

He's also in charge of security right now.

It just seems like the Police Department and the Security force are working in completely different directions. Handing out a packet and not allowing questions. EDIT: The later sentences were wrong so I'mma take them out so as not to look like an uninformed jackass.

 

[BFIB]

St. Louis is Cardinal Nation. Its a baseball town first, so Cards hats are everywhere.

Hell, I'm wearing one now.

 

[BronsonLee]

Im not even sure one shot could possibly be justified.
But multiple? Impossible

It's a hell of a lot easier to justify 1 shot than the 8-10 though. That's the thing.

Also, if the first shot came from when the cop was sitting in the car..

 

[Brakke]

Someone get this clear for me,

He shoplifted cigarettes, and assaulted an elderly man. Then when the officer questioned him on the street, they supposedly got into a scuffle in the police cars driver window, where he tried to reach for the police officers gun(?).

I don't know if its all true, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt, but if it is, maybe you shouldn't do all that stuff if you don't want a risk of getting put into harms way.
Not saying its right what happened either if its true.

Wow yeah good point. Lemme just email this to Brown so he knows for next ti--

 

[Cloudy]

Collin Reischman ‏@Collin_MOTimes 2h
It's worth noting that on Tuesday Chief Jackson told me Brown was not being stopped in relation to any criminal activity.

Cops better get their story straight

 

[NateGrigs]

Ok. I'm going to play the devils advocate for a minute here. I know this is likely to piss a bunch of people off, but I feel the cops side of the story is not being represented. For the record.....Yes I am a white guy from the suburbs, and no I don't think its ok to shoot anybody in the back while they are running away.

The cop is responding to a report of a strong arm robbery. He sees a group of kids walking down the street that match the description, pulls over to question them, gets into an altercation with Brown. Brown pushes him into his car and a shot is fired during the struggle, at which point Brown gets startled and runs off. The officer shoots him as he is running away. Now, I've always been under the impression that cops are trained to refrain from shooting if they can, but once the first shot is fired they shoot to kill and shoot until the target is down. In this context, wouldn't he have done exactly what he was trained to do?

Again, I'm not trying to justify the shooting, just to shed some light on the other version of the incident

 

[FiggyCal]

Someone get this clear for me,

He shoplifted cigarettes, and assaulted an elderly man. Then when the officer questioned him on the street, they supposedly got into a scuffle in the police cars driver window, where he tried to reach for the police officers gun(?).

I don't know if its all true, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt, but if it is, maybe you shouldn't do all that stuff if you don't want a risk of getting put into harms way.
Not saying its right what happened either if its true.

As far as I know:

The police claim that security footage is of Michael Brown.

The police officer might've been responding to a call for strong-arm robbery that might've matched Mike's description. But the chief has yet to confirm if the cop that shot him was actually responding to a call for stong-arm robbery - so I doubt it. Until the police officers outright say that the shooter was responding to that call, it's unfair to assume he was "just doing his job".

The police officer told Michael Brown to get off the road, which is an odd way of arresting a suspect of robbery.

 

[rjinaz]

It's odd, but probably a coincidence. Cardinals hats are probably everywhere.

It's st.louis who doesn't have a cardinals hat?

Right, I wasn't implying it meant anything, I just found it an amusing/weird coincidence and it kind of shows that wearing that attire is pretty common.

 

[Alric]

After the news today about him being a possible suspect or whatever, this is so much more relevant and laughably horrible.

White Suspects vs Black Victims in the Media

 

[freddy]

Someone get this clear for me,

He shoplifted cigarettes, and assaulted an elderly man. Then when the officer questioned him on the street, they supposedly got into a scuffle in the police cars driver window, where he tried to reach for the police officers gun(?).

I don't know if its all true, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt, but if it is, maybe you shouldn't do all that stuff if you don't want a risk of getting put into harms way.
Not saying its right what happened either if its true.

Maybe you have a right of innocence till proven guilty as well.

 

[everyday math]

The Gov. Is speaking.

 

[HerbertFish]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...-in-Michael-Brown-shooting-provides-new-video


And another
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8BG-B50xHo

Thank you

 

[BronsonLee]

Cops better get their story straight

Oh my.

Ok. I'm going to play the devils advocate for a minute here. I know this is likely to piss a bunch of people off, but I feel the cops side of the story is not being represented. For the record.....Yes I am a white guy from the suburbs, and no I don't think its ok to shoot anybody in the back while they are running away.

The cop is responding to a report of a strong arm robbery. He sees a group of kids walking down the street that match the description, pulls over to question them, gets into an altercation with Brown. Brown pushes him into his car and a shot is fired during the struggle, at which point Brown gets startled and runs off. The officer shoots him as he is running away. Now, I've always been under the impression that cops are trained to refrain from shooting if they can, but once the first shot is fired they shoot to kill and shoot until the target is down. In this context, wouldn't he have done exactly what he was trained to do?

Again, I'm not trying to justify the shooting, just to shed some light on the other version of the incident

...WHAT THE FUCK

I really hope this is just you wording that wrong. Anytime you use your gun you're shooting to stop/kill, yes, but if they're surrendering, that doesn't mean you keep popping them. And you don't use it when they're running away.

 

[CesspoolofHatred]

Ok. I'm going to play the devils advocate for a minute here. I know this is likely to piss a bunch of people off, but I feel the cops side of the story is not being represented. For the record.....Yes I am a white guy from the suburbs, and no I don't think its ok to shoot anybody in the back while they are running away.

The cop is responding to a report of a strong arm robbery. He sees a group of kids walking down the street that match the description, pulls over to question them, gets into an altercation with Brown. Brown pushes him into his car and a shot is fired during the struggle, at which point Brown gets startled and runs off. The officer shoots him as he is running away. Now, I've always been under the impression that cops are trained to refrain from shooting if they can, but once the first shot is fired they shoot to kill and shoot until the target is down. In this context, wouldn't he have done exactly what he was trained to do?

Again, I'm not trying to justify the shooting, just to shed some light on the other version of the incident

Except after two shots, Brown apparently had his hands up in surrender.

 

[captmcblack]

I don't live in STL, and even I have a Cardinals hat.

It's a very common red baseball cap with a timeless logo on it.

 

[BFIB]

He's also in charge of security right now.

It just seems like the Police Department and the Security force are working in completely different directions. Handing out a packet and not allowing questions. Actually, if I remember correctly, didn't the Police Chief say that the questions should be saved for Johnson? Why did he heap this shit on him without informing him of everything beforehand?

The Chief said that they would re-address the media later on today. It does seem that there are two separate levels being used here: the local/county PD, and the Highway Patrol for security measures. Seems like the highway patrol is Nixon's doing, hence why he's smugging behind Johnson on the mic now.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Ok. I'm going to play the devils advocate for a minute here.

But of course

Again, I'm not trying to justify the shooting, just to shed some light on the other version of the incident

There's one version of what happened. You purely speculating doesn't shed light on anything.

 

[Omegasquash]

Many will..right here on NeoGAF IN THIS VERY THREAD! Let's watch!

On the same goddamn page.

Someone get this clear for me,

He shoplifted cigarettes, and assaulted an elderly man. Then when the officer questioned him on the street, they supposedly got into a scuffle in the police cars driver window, where he tried to reach for the police officers gun(?).

I don't know if its all true, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt, but if it is, maybe you shouldn't do all that stuff if you don't want a risk of getting put into harms way.
Not saying its right what happened either if its true.

Ok. I'm going to play the devils advocate for a minute here. I know this is likely to piss a bunch of people off, but I feel the cops side of the story is not being represented. For the record.....Yes I am a white guy from the suburbs, and no I don't think its ok to shoot anybody in the back while they are running away.

The cop is responding to a report of a strong arm robbery. He sees a group of kids walking down the street that match the description, pulls over to question them, gets into an altercation with Brown. Brown pushes him into his car and a shot is fired during the struggle, at which point Brown gets startled and runs off. The officer shoots him as he is running away. Now, I've always been under the impression that cops are trained to refrain from shooting if they can, but once the first shot is fired they shoot to kill and shoot until the target is down. In this context, wouldn't he have done exactly what he was trained to do?

Again, I'm not trying to justify the shooting, just to shed some light on the other version of the incident

I need a drink.

 

[Kurdel]

Dogwhistle.

Dogwhistle?

 

[Cloudy]

Ok. I'm going to play the devils advocate for a minute here. I know this is likely to piss a bunch of people off, but I feel the cops side of the story is not being represented. For the record.....Yes I am a white guy from the suburbs, and no I don't think its ok to shoot anybody in the back while they are running away.

The cop is responding to a report of a strong arm robbery. He sees a group of kids walking down the street that match the description, pulls over to question them, gets into an altercation with Brown. Brown pushes him into his car and a shot is fired during the struggle, at which point Brown gets startled and runs off. The officer shoots him as he is running away. Now, I've always been under the impression that cops are trained to refrain from shooting if they can, but once the first shot is fired they shoot to kill and shoot until the target is down. In this context, wouldn't he have done exactly what he was trained to do?

Again, I'm not trying to justify the shooting, just to shed some light on the other version of the incident

But you are....

 

[Askani]

Now, I've always been under the impression that cops are trained to refrain from shooting if they can, but once the first shot is fired they shoot to kill and shoot until the target is down. In this context, wouldn't he have done exactly what he was trained to do?

No. Hell no. That is stupid. Firing a shot does not mean you track down the person involved because you shot once and they are still around so find them and put them down. You fire to remove a threat. The threat was removed...so, ya'know don't shoot anymore.

Christ!

 

[soundahfekz]

Ok. I'm going to play the devils advocate for a minute here. I know this is likely to piss a bunch of people off, but I feel the cops side of the story is not being represented. For the record.....Yes I am a white guy from the suburbs, and no I don't think its ok to shoot anybody in the back while they are running away.

The cop is responding to a report of a strong arm robbery. He sees a group of kids walking down the street that match the description, pulls over to question them, gets into an altercation with Brown. Brown pushes him into his car and a shot is fired during the struggle, at which point Brown gets startled and runs off. The officer shoots him as he is running away. Now, I've always been under the impression that cops are trained to refrain from shooting if they can, but once the first shot is fired they shoot to kill and shoot until the target is down. In this context, wouldn't he have done exactly what he was trained to do?

Again, I'm not trying to justify the shooting, just to shed some light on the other version of the incident

Sigh...

this is gonna be just like the Travyon Martin threads with suburban white people wishing they could say more shit without behind banned, but settle for these devil's advocate scenarios.

I have nothing against anyone of any race, but I'm SO tired of people playing this fucking role on GAF

I'm out

 

[naeS]

St. Louis is Cardinal Nation. Its a baseball town first, so Cards hats are everywhere.

Hell, I'm wearing one now.

If I wore hats, I'd wear one. Because I live in STL and STL are my initals. I am more of a Blues fan.

 

[Malyse]

Is it true that the officer had to be treated at a hospital for injuries following the incident? Or is that a lie?

Maury, where are you?

I would 10000% believe a fellow cop punched him to help cover his ass. FPD has zero credibility at thus point.

Ok. I'm going to play the devils advocate for a minute here. I know this is likely to piss a bunch of people off, but I feel the cops side of the story is not being represented. For the record.....Yes I am a white guy from the suburbs, and no I don't think its ok to shoot anybody in the back while they are running away.

The cop is responding to a report of a strong arm robbery. He sees a group of kids walking down the street that match the description, pulls over to question them, gets into an altercation with Brown. Brown pushes him into his car and a shot is fired during the struggle, at which point Brown gets startled and runs off. The officer shoots him as he is running away. Now, I've always been under the impression that cops are trained to refrain from shooting if they can, but once the first shot is fired they shoot to kill and shoot until the target is down. In this context, wouldn't he have done exactly what he was trained to do?

Again, I'm not trying to justify the shooting, just to shed some light on the other version of the incident

Someone get this clear for me,

He shoplifted cigarettes, and assaulted an elderly man. Then when the officer questioned him on the street, they supposedly got into a scuffle in the police cars driver window, where he tried to reach for the police officers gun(?).

I don't know if its all true, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt, but if it is, maybe you shouldn't do all that stuff if you don't want a risk of getting put into harms way.
Not saying its right what happened either if its true.

This is the part where I tell you to stop posting.

 

[jakonovski]

Dogwhistle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

 

[CesspoolofHatred]

The Chief said that they would re-address the media later on today. It does seem that there are two separate levels being used here: the local/county PD, and the Highway Patrol for security measures. Seems like the highway patrol is Nixon's doing, hence why he's smugging behind Johnson on the mic now.

Alright, thanks for clarifying that. Guess I remembered wrong. I'mma go edit that out now.

 

[XenodudeX]

Ok. I'm going to play the devils advocate for a minute here.

Next time you're thinking about playing the devils advocate, don't.

You're justifying his murder. Period.

 

[abuC]

Sigh...

this is gonna be just like the Travyon Martin threads with suburban white people wishing they could say more shit without behind banned, but settle for these devil's advocate scenarios.

I have nothing against anyone of any race, but I'm SO tired of people playing this fucking role on GAF

I'm out

Same here, it's depressing.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

On the same goddamn page.





I need a drink.

 

[Jaeger]

Next time you're thinking about playing the devils advocate, don't.

You're justifying his murder. Period.

.

 

[More_Badass]

After the news today about him being a possible suspect or whatever, this is so much more relevant and laughably horrible.

White Suspects vs Black Victims in the Media

This is really sad and unfair

 

[vas_a_morir]

I don't live in STL, and even I have a Cardinals hat.

It's a very common red baseball cap with a timeless logo on it.

nooooooooooo you should know that the Cards are evil.

 

[beanman25]

St. Louis is Cardinal Nation. Its a baseball town first, so Cards hats are everywhere.

Hell, I'm wearing one now.

Bahaha. Me too!

Going to the driving range in a little while, so rocking the birds on bat is necessary.

 

[BFIB]

I, for one, cannot wait for Maddow tonight.

 

[everyday math]

The Gov. saying Angst is making me laugh.