Zoe
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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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The medical examiner is a separate entity.
and why is everyone forgetting how the police have acted this entire time? The whole.. aiming sniper rifles at protesters/showing up with tanks to a vigil preemptively..thing.. the whole taunting.. the whole inept police chief.... the whole, dude drove away after he killed someone..? All of this is immediately eroded because you no longer have to factor those things in. There is no puzzle to solve. You saw a video that might be him shoving a clerk out of the way. -- So that means everything that has happened is within reason. He had a death wish, and wanted to kill a cop by getting caught walking down the street, and not for a robbery, then, hes going to jungle punch him and take the gun, shooting both cops dead? After stealing some cigars........? He doesn't even have a gun to do this mission?
For fucks sake people. This is just smearing a dead dude, without even being able to talk about the police officer. Because he RAN AWAY from the fucking scene and has stayed silent on the matter.
Mammoth Jones
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The comments on Brietbart are killing me...
Ugh.
Ugh.
milquetoast
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I agree. The sole focus at this point should be if the officer acted appropriately or not, given the outcome of his interaction with the suspect. What happened before that is immaterial.
Higgins113
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The guy was 18 and 6 foot 4, and capable of robbery, he was hardly a child
squatingyeti
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WAT!?
Is this what we've come to just to say a victim has no blame in anything in their life?
Gordon Shumway
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Not a child. He's 18, after all. That's what comes next..
Hari Seldon
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Robbing the store gives him a clear motivation to want to avoid the police. i.e. it makes no sense that someone who committed no crime would try to scuffle with a cop. That is the logical leap, the robbing of a store now establishes motivation for the actions that he allegedly took in the police report. Not that this is true, but it does make the police story slightly more plausible now. Obviously the coroner's report is what everyone really needs to see.
BFIB
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If you really dig deep into local issues with police in certain areas of St. Louis, and the surrounding areas, it will blow your mind.
If there is any solace that I am taking away from this young man being gunned down, is that it hopefully finally sheds light on all these issues with the PD in some of these communities.
Corronchilejano
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There's your problem right there.
Hell, If I wanted to kill myself I'd just go to Stormfront.
Didn't know that, thanks.
Are you implying a conspiracy. I would think it would be pretty clear to FBI if they tampered with the body.
I tried too but they want none of it.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Yes, that's all that matters and we still have no official info really. No autopsy report, no verified or vetted testimony regarding the turn of events that led to the shooting.
Gordon Shumway
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Corronchilejano
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I'm implying that you are denying facts in order to create this version of yours, and also that you should never take the attackers' version at face value when it places the full blame on the attacked.
Seriously.
And I agree. I even stated as much a few pages back.
We need to get on the same page and stop quibbling over whether it's him or not.
Lan Dong Mik
And why would I want them?
But what do you do? According to the reports Brown stole and then from what the video screenshots show, assaulted the clerk trying to confront him. Then he attacked a police officer and went for his gun and a shot went off inside the cop car and then he ran away. I mean what would most officers do in this scenario with no back up? Chase him down? I mean I really don't know.
Buddy!
Angelus Errare
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This. I seriously struggle with the idea that anyone who falls for this shit and eats it up can claim to be intelligent in any sense of the word.
BronsonLee
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You chase him down in your goddamn cop car. That's what you do.
Gordon Shumway
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Tell em Cranky..
everyday math
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Witness says he didn't attack the police officer.
The cop grabbed him.
Also he surrendered after being shot at. The cop proceeded to keep shooting while he had his hands up.
Most people would chase them down. For gods sake he has a car. Then either tackle him or taser him.
Isn't this what fucking cops are trained to do? They shouldn't be killing people.
We don't know any of this.
Yes? Didn't matter anyway since we have multiple accounts that Brown was trying to surrender. That's even ASSUMING he actively went for the Cops gun which still wouldn't excuse the multiple follow up shots.
Pretty much. It's not like the police can hide some bullet wounds.
I don't know why there are so many people who want to jump into crazy conspiracy territory here. There's plenty of valid issues to be upset about. Saying that every piece of news has been calculated in a dastardly plan or that internet interruptions are all the work of the police is just making reasonable criticism of police procedures and the response look suspect by association.
not that im vouching for Stormfront -- but, it always just seems to lean back towards the jewish controlled media some how, in regards to seeing negativity thrown towards blacks/other minorities. They are generally well spoken. Sure theres a ton of slurs that I had no idea that existed about my fellow black folks, but its often not as infuriating to read as comments or that Policeone web forum. They seem like the Playboy for racism.
Not that i don't get upset at antisemitism, but its just interesting to see how they concoct a path to blaming them, its almost like they walk over the minorities to get to the real pay off.
This is a weird post, writing it.. but.. well.
What facts am I denying? I'm not saying I believe the police, just that this new information gives new context to the situation that makes the police story more plausible. If it turns out the officer shot him in the back from 20ft away. Then there is no excuse. Hopefully alot will be cleared up by the autopsy.
"According to reports" from the cops.
Witnesses said he was trying to break free not going for the gun.
Mammoth Jones
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I mean I knew what I'd read going there. I just wanted to see the spin that's being put on it.
BFIB
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What gets me is that there has been statements, even one made by the chief today, that the officer was treated for injuries after the altercation.
Now, considering you shot someone dead, wouldn't you immediately want photos taken of your face for proof? Why weren't those released?
TBH I'd rather have the discussion on the weather girl than this willfully ignorant "well what if he deserves go be shot?"
ReignofSparrows
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The problem is that this question seems more reasonable on its face than it is in practice. There are a variety of non-lethal options at the officer's disposal including pursuit in the vehicle, pursuit on foot, verbal warning, a warning shot, and so on. But officers in this country resort to the most restrictive means of apprehension far too quickly and far too often.
SCReuter
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You can't be serious.
Saint Gregory
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Wow, this would almost be funny if it weren't so sad. I guess this is a small town so maybe things are different but at what point does a shoplifter become a robbery suspect? Is that even something that the PD put out an APB for in most places?
This is the exact same pattern that happen in the Trayvon Martin case. Find something bad the victim did and use it to justify their murder. With Trayvon they said he'd gotten suspended from school and smoked weed and now with Mike Brown he (allegedly) shoplifted and then pushed away a clerk trying to stop him. We can add these to the list of crimes that are punishable by death in this country, if you're of a certain shade of course.
Let this be a reminder to all black men; make sure that you have a squeaky clean record and never so much as said a bad word to anyone before getting gunned down in the street... Of course even then someone will play devil's advocate and come up with a justification for your death.
This is the exact same pattern that happen in the Trayvon Martin case. Find something bad the victim did and use it to justify their murder. With Trayvon they said he'd gotten suspended from school and smoked weed and now with Mike Brown he (allegedly) shoplifted and then pushed away a clerk trying to stop him. We can add these to the list of crimes that are punishable by death in this country, if you're of a certain shade of course.
Let this be a reminder to all black men; make sure that you have a squeaky clean record and never so much as said a bad word to anyone before getting gunned down in the street... Of course even then someone will play devil's advocate and come up with a justification for your death.
Good statement...agree with all of it. It was a shit move by the cops.
gutter_trash
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even if Brown did steal, even if Brown resisted arrested and ran... he did get wounded from on gun shot wound that forced him to stop running and the give up.
After he stopped and gave up, he got shot with more shots. That is the problem.
Is Brown guilty of robbery, probably.
Is Brown guilty of resisting arrest, probably.
But that does not condone the extra shots fired at him after he was wounded and gave up.
Those extra shots, that is the biggest problem. The excessive force used after the assailant was wounded.
After he stopped and gave up, he got shot with more shots. That is the problem.
Is Brown guilty of robbery, probably.
Is Brown guilty of resisting arrest, probably.
But that does not condone the extra shots fired at him after he was wounded and gave up.
Those extra shots, that is the biggest problem. The excessive force used after the assailant was wounded.
Omegasquash
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What the fuck is this?
Shit son he was two posts above you. It's already happening.
BFIB
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Worst part about this one is that it involves a badge. So if this officer doesn't get tried to the fullest extent of the law, all your doing is setting a new precedent for police to follow suit on what happened here.
This is bigger than Trayvon's case IMO.
DragonSworne
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Anne Elise Parks
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Yep. I feel for them. :/
What information do we have regarding the number of wounds?
Ash Sparrow
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I definitely think it looks like him in the pictures, even has on the flip flop shoes his friend described. Many people who see the store pics will think its cut and dry, but I have seen some really strange altercations at convenience stores. I have seen a clerk come out from behind protective glass and pepper spray someone that was arguing with him, affecting everyone in the store. I still don't get why they'd tell him to get off the street if they thought he was a robbery suspect or shoot someone with their hands up.
St Louis tried this once, it was called Pruitt-Igoe.
KuwabaraTheMan
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It's especially awful given everything they've already gone through over the past few days to have this latest insult thrown on them.
How is the timing "devious". If they had released it earlier, they would have been criticized for releasing information without careful consideration of whether it was really related to this case. Do people think this stuff should be hidden from the public?
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