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[Real Hero]

The justification begins:

What a horrible cunt.

 

[Malyse]

Worst part about this one is that it involves a badge. So if this officer doesn't get tried to the fullest extent of the law, all your doing is setting a new precedent for police to follow suit on what happened here.

This is bigger than Trayvon's case IMO.

Mainly because of the riots

Spoiler

that should have happened in Florida.

 

[Protein]

The justification patrol is on a roll today on Facebook. "You do the crime you do the time" and "this isn't about race, stop making it about race."

 

[Byakuya769]

The guy was 18 and 6 foot 4, and capable of robbery, he was hardly a child

And he was black and a thug.

 

[RurouniZel]

"According to reports" from the cops.

Witnesses said he was trying to break free not going for the gun.

Agreed. From everything about how the police have responded vs. witness testimony, I get the impression that "Reports from the cops" in this case reminds of that South Park bit with shouting "It's coming right for us!"

 

[BronsonLee]

The justification patrol is on a roll today on Facebook. "You do the crime you do the time" and "this isn't about race, stop making it about race."

The crime? Strongarm robbery.
The time? 0. Because that's how much time you got left!

Good lord. People could actually think that.

 

[Cloudy]

The video looks much less like a "strong-arm" robbery than the stills. Cops know what they're doing

 

[jbug617]

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

The justification patrol is on a roll today on Facebook. "You do the crime you do the time" and "this isn't about race, stop making it about race."

What a dumbass post. The punishment for a petty crime like that is death? You gotta speak up against this ignorant garbage.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

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Boy..shit has to sting like hell.

 

[Saint Gregory]

Worst part about this one is that it involves a badge. So if this officer doesn't get tried to the fullest extent of the law, all your doing is setting a new precedent for police to follow suit on what happened here.

This is bigger than Trayvon's case IMO.

In my opinion the Martin case was more important because that case was setting the precedent for any common citizen to racial profile and murder minorities.

We have enough problems right now with the police to have to add worrying about every Joe Shmoe thinking he has the right to play bad cop in the streets.

 

[GK86]

The video looks much less like a "strong-arm" robbery than the stills. Cops know what they're doing

Link to the video?

 

[Omegasquash]

How is the timing "devious". If they had released it earlier, they would have been criticized for releasing information without carefully consideration of whether it really was related to this case. Do people think this stuff should be hidden from the public?

When the public is peacefully protesting it might make sense to share information with them, yes. This just looks like they took a few days to get their stories straight. The information should have been shared sooner, and no one would have criticized them for it. What they DID do is respond to protesters and journalists with tear gas and rubber bullets.

I would hope that they'd be criticized more for that.

 

[Somnia]

One issue I am having in this thread right now is people post stuff their thoughts on what happened at the moment, their thoughts on if that may or may not be Brown in the video, etc. They are in no way posting anything defending the murder, but people still respond to their post with "Doesn't justify the murder"... no crap?

Some people just want to discuss what happened leading up to and at the time of the murder, they are not defending what the cop did they are just trying to talk and figure out all the details even if were just thinking out loud since we don't have all the facts yet. Please stop thinking everyone is justifying the murder by posting their thoughts on the details... now if they play "Devil's Advocate" or try to justify the murder then blast them please =)

 

[Flo_Evans]

even if Brown did steal, even if Brown resisted arrested and ran... he did get wounded from on gun shot wound that forced him to stop running and the give up.

After he stopped and gave up, he got shot with more shots. That is the problem.

Is Brown guilty of robbery, probably.
Is Brown guilty of resisting arrest, probably.

But that does not condone the extra shots fired at him after he was wounded and gave up.

Those extra shots, that is the biggest problem. The excessive force used after the assailant was wounded.

I agree with this. I am not sure there is enough to convict though. Going to depend heavily on forensics and what they can actually prove.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Fuck the cops. They should've released the robbery information as soon as this happened.

They know what they're doing.

 

[Higgins113]

And he was black and a thug.

I know what you're doing, but if those photos are him, he was hardly an upstanding citizen

 

[CharminUltra]

It's fortunate that the cop put an end to this kid's evil rampage of terror, then. Just imagine what he could've strong-arm-robbed next: a pack of gum? A lighter? or, god forbid, a six pack?

What a hero.

 

[SkyOdin]

How is the timing "devious". If they had released it earlier, they would have been criticized for releasing information without careful consideration of whether it was really related to this case. Do people think this stuff should be hidden from the public?

Because they released this information at the exact same press conference that was supposed to be about the officer that shot Brown. It is a pretty obvious ploy to distract the press away from asking questions about the officer.

 

[Malyse]

The justification patrol is on a roll today on Facebook. "You do the crime you do the time" and "this isn't about race, stop making it about race."

Time to clean your feed.

 

[Mesousa]

I know what you're doing, but if those photos are him, he was hardly an upstanding citizen

Most kids aren't.

 

[Tripon]

How is the timing "devious". If they had released it earlier, they would have been criticized for releasing information without careful consideration of whether it really was related to this case. Do people think this stuff should be hidden from the public?

"We released the identification of the officer who shot Michael Brown."

"Oh, by the way, here's the police report of a unrelated event that Michael Brown is involved in, however we're not sure yet."

The 2nd event does not happen until the 1st event happens. The release of the police report of the alleged robbery (because remember, Michael Brown is innocent until he's proven guilty in a court of law) to seemly justify in any way of the shooting of Michael Brown by Darren Wilson (the officer), is frankly disgusting.

Yet, we already seen some people here on GAF, and elsewhere argue as such. That it was justified.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I know what you're doing, but if those photos are him, he was hardly an upstanding citizen

It doesn't matter, nobody should be executed like that. The fact that we're even discussing anything but the actual incident that led to his death is ridiculous.

 

[Cloudy]

Link to the video?

CNN

 

[RurouniZel]

I know what you're doing, but if those photos are him, he was hardly an upstanding citizen

I didn't know inappropriate behavior was punishable by death these days.

 

[CrankyJay]

What information do we have regarding the number of wounds?

Number of wounds shouldn't even matter in my mind. Ballistics should be able to show the number of shots taken.

 

[Corronchilejano]

How is the timing "devious". If they had released it earlier, they would have been criticized for releasing information without careful consideration of whether it was really related to this case. Do people think this stuff should be hidden from the public?

Here's a list of things hidden from the public that are also relevant for the case:
1. The medical examinar already did an autopsy 3 days ago. The report is not public yet.
2. The cops' name is still hidden, and its been a week.
3. You bet your ass that the cops history will be completely unaccesible and clean... if they ever let the public get a hold of it.

 

[sphagnum]

My friend stole a golf cart once I guess he should have been executed.

 

[LiK]

The justification begins:

Disgusting

 

[ramuh]

Most kids aren't.

He was an adult, not a child.

I wonder when the FBI will start rolling out information about events leading up to the shooting, I think we can see the Cops can be biased towards the unequivocal truth.

 

[Omegasquash]

I know what you're doing, but if those photos are him, he was hardly an upstanding citizen

Which clearly means he should be killed...you were going to say?

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

What a dumbass post. The punishment for a petty crime like that is death? You gotta speak up against this ignorant garbage.

Typical of the tough on crime no sympathy for criminals crowd.

Oh and I shoplifted around that age. I'm sure many people have.

 

[Malyse]

I know what you're doing, but if those photos are him, he was hardly an upstanding citizen

And he deserved to die.

How is the timing "devious". If they had released it earlier, they would have been criticized for releasing information without careful consideration of whether it was really related to this case. Do people think this stuff should be hidden from the public?

You fucking serious?

 

[HerbertFish]

Fuck the cops. They should've released the robbery information as soon as this happened.

They know what they're doing.

No they shouldn't have. That can ruin witness testimony. If anything releasing that info earlier benefited solely their perception

 

[devilhawk]

I'm implying that you are denying facts in order to create this version of yours, and also that you should never take the attackers' version at face value when it places the full blame on the attacked.

I don't know if I would put eye witness testimony in the fact column just yet. Those typically are all over the place as far as truth.

 

[KHarvey16]

Number of wounds shouldn't even matter in my mind. Ballistics should be able to show the number of shots taken.

Maybe not ballistics, but the number of rounds or shell casings recovered would. Wounds would be more conclusive if there were more than one since casings can be picked up.

A struggle over the weapon and one shot fired in the vehicle could easily be justified. Any shots fired at the victim while he was outside the vehicle fleeing would not be.

 

[Infinite]

You fucking serious?

I was typing out a response to that post and I give up half way. Not even worth it

 

[Saint Gregory]

No they shouldn't have. That can ruin witness testimony. If anything releasing that info earlier benefited solely their perception

What witness testimony? The kid is dead, there's not going to be trial.

 

[marrec]

My friend stole a golf cart once I guess he should have been executed.

I know what you're doing, but it sounds like your friend is hardly an upstanding citizen.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I know what you're doing, but if those photos are him, he was hardly an upstanding citizen

I know what you're doing, but if those photos are him, it hardly justifies his execution.

 

[Byakuya769]

I know what you're doing, but if those photos are him, he was hardly an upstanding citizen

Rap music.

 

[Jakten]

Here's a list of things hidden from the public that are also relevant for the case:
1. The medical examinar already did an autopsy 3 days ago. The report is not public yet.
2. The cops' name is still hidden, and its been a week.
3. You bet your ass that the cops history will be completely unaccesible and clean... if they ever let the public get a hold of it.

I believe they released the officer's name and it is Darren Wilson. I've also seen mention that his history record is essentially clean because for roughly half of his employment the record keeping practices were extremely poor.

 

[Flo_Evans]

They just showed another angle of security footage on fox2 stream, does look like him from the better angle, don't know why they didn't use those stills.

 

[Higgins113]

I know what you're doing, but it sounds like your friend is hardly an upstanding citizen.

Ah shit
I'm not a meme am I

Anyway I was just saying the guy wasn't a child, and then Idris Elba implies I'm a racist

 

[BFIB]

They just showed another angle of security footage on fox2 stream, does look like him from the better angle, don't know why they didn't use those stills.

They were given a CD in the packet, Im assuming its this footage that's now making rounds. The stills were all they had right there on the spot to go by.

 

[HerbertFish]

What witness testimony? The kid is dead, there's not going to be trial.

Re: the shooting. They are going to piece together everyone of his steps that day.

 

[Badosh]

I know what you're doing, but it sounds like your friend is hardly an upstanding citizen.

and he deserved to die.

 

[El Odio]

I just woke up and it seems that now the police are blaming Brown for a robbery he might not have even committed? Is that right? Did they even release the officers name like they said they would?

 

[remist]

Here's a list of things hidden from the public that are also relevant for the case:
1. The medical examinar already did an autopsy 3 days ago. The report is not public yet.
2. The cops' name is still hidden, and its been a week.
3. You bet your ass that the cops history will be completely unaccesible and clean... if they ever let the public get a hold of it.

So you're implying the police department is engaged in a conspiracy to hide and or change evidence, when they have state authorities, FBI, and the justice department breathing out their necks. We already know the officer's name and I believe the media already has his records.

 

[gutter_trash]

I agree with this. I am not sure there is enough to convict though. Going to depend heavily on forensics and what they can actually prove.

forensics can determine the distance of shots fired, if Brown is like yards away, he is not threat to the cop, hence making the extra shots excessive.