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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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Gordon Shumway
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Sheesh..sounds like you had a ball. Shitty way to start your day..sorry.
BFIB
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All we know about his life is that he was scheduled to start Vaterott on Monday. He had no police record, and there is not even verification that it is him in the video. He's only been accused, and he isn't even alive to tell his side of the story.
Actually that would be battery. Assault is the threat of force, battery is using it.
Still doesn't matter though.
Higgins is perfectly free to subtly assassinate Brown's character. I'm not stopping him. Just pointing out the irrelevance of his community service.
CrimsonCommie
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An 18 year old kids brain isn't fully developed. So yes at 18 you're still a kid. Have they still not announced they were pressing charges?
Umm. Is this real?
where is the original..??
Well trying to pretend that the young man wasn't shot and killed is obviously an impossibility. However, it is pretty clear that they didn't really handle the aftermath of the shooting in a standard manner. It is a sign of panic, that they immediately knew that they screwed up and were racing to figure out a way to deal with it. Panic and making a chain of poor decisions seems to define most of the actions of the police through this entire situation. From the shooting itself, to how they handled the body, to how they dealt with the public and the protesting has been one long case of the police using poor judgement to make reckless decisions that cause everything to become worse.
A conspiracy to obfuscate facts doesn't imply that these people are good at it or particularly intelligent. You don't need to be a genius with a master plan to tamper with evidence, you just need to be a bad cop.
squatingyeti
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The leaked police report from the cop that responded to the call already confirms it is video from that day. The date on the video could be off for simple reasons. Electronic devices and dates have a way of doing that, but I'm sure it will spread as a conspiracy now.
More_Badass
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Nvm
How is this a facet of the case?
He is accused of committing a strong arm robbery, which he is likely guilty of actually doing. Unfortunately, he doesn't get his day in court.
According to the police, he wasn't stopped by Officer Darren Wilson for this robbery.
So, what exactly is the point of commenting on this "facet of the case"?
I'll do my damnedest to call it out.
Corronchilejano
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Zoe
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Whatever the case, the friend's lawyer already confirmed it was them.Umm. Is this real?
His friend Johnson already admitted they robbed the store.
His name was redacted from the report.
It's exactly 2 months off. I doubt its anything
The pictures from earlier in the thread looked like "08-09" to me. Either way, it doesn't matter what he did. You can't kill someone over a theft.
Systemwarrior
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Someone on Instagram just tagged me in this. I have no idea?
You're a bit off in general (although the precise definitions vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.) Assault isn't threat of force or injury, it's attempted injury. You can be charged with assault even if you're a 90 lb weakling going up against someone twice your size. You're not going to be charged with assault just by threatening to beat someone up. You have to do something more than that.
Systemwarrior
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Oh okay, thanks.
BFIB
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I know the lawyer has stated as such. But Dorian Johnson has yet to be arrested and formerly charged.
Neither has the cop in question of the shooting, so its going to be interesting to see who gets arrested first.
I guess I should have said a facet of the entire day? I already said it was irrelevant to the shooting itself.
Exalted Terraforce
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Looks like an 8 to me. Look at the 6 and the far right of that line
squatingyeti
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Are you really gonna argue that's not him?? Some of you are being absurd in defense of things that aren't really related and have little defense. He robbed a store. Confirmed by the attorney of the friend. Same clothes, same build and video evidence if you somehow don't believe the friend.
Again, the need to defend every aspect of his life is absurd. It makes people doing so look just as bad as those trying to justify what happened. He robbed a store and by law, assaulted the clerk.
Also in the official statement made by the family's lawyer there was no admission of wrongdoing in regards to the robbery.
We still don't know if Brown was involved in a robbery for sure and it still doesn't matter.
ReignofSparrows
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I don't want to single anyone out, but why are people always pedantic when anything legal comes up? The responses in the thread to the Vine were questioning the characterization of assault, which is why I responded as I did.
And how does that justify Darren Wilson, the officer shooting Michael Brown multiple times, including in the back?
I was taught that the threat if force us assault. Like if I say, "I'm gonna kill you" and you believe that I intend to do so, then you can have me charged with assault.
Accuracy matters. And this is one of the few things I recall from training so I point it out.
I'm trying to get caught up here and I'm seeing a lot of stuff thrown around about this kid being filmed stealing and fleeing the store. I'd like to put that aside for a moment regardless of whether it is true or not and point out something else:
It is still not okay for the Ferguson police to respond to peaceful protesting with the display of force they did. The teargas, the rubber bullets, the dogs, the snipers, etc. All of it is too much. Like somebody said in this thread several pages back, all of this could have been avoided had they taken an entirely different approach and sent counselors, food, drink, or whatever and shown a little empathy for a hurt and confused community. But instead, they got locked and loaded and sent a clear message of "fuck you, go home!".
That is still important and still worth talking about regardless of what the victim did or did not do.
It is still not okay for the Ferguson police to respond to peaceful protesting with the display of force they did. The teargas, the rubber bullets, the dogs, the snipers, etc. All of it is too much. Like somebody said in this thread several pages back, all of this could have been avoided had they taken an entirely different approach and sent counselors, food, drink, or whatever and shown a little empathy for a hurt and confused community. But instead, they got locked and loaded and sent a clear message of "fuck you, go home!".
That is still important and still worth talking about regardless of what the victim did or did not do.
Alligatorjandro
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That's clearly a 6 and a 9Umm. Is this real?
Systemwarrior
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Okay, now it looks like an 8.
Well, being pedantic is sort of the point of the law.
Like I said, depends on what jurisdiction. Quick Google search presents this for MO assault law: http://www.assaultandbattery.org/missouri/
The terms you're talking about *could* be considered assault in the third degree, a misdemeanor. Notalawyer et al.
This is probably veering off track from the topic at hand though. I agree that it's not particularly relevant based on what we know of the case thus far.
I don't think this is very complicated. When you say something in the context of an ongoing conversation, people are going to interpret you as saying something relevant to that conversation. I mean, why else would you be saying something?
You jumped in to object to talking about Brown as a "child". You said "The guy was 18 and 6 foot 4, and capable of robbery, he was hardly a child". Now, presumably you were paying attention and didn't think people were unaware that Brown was about that age, though maybe they didn't know that he was a bit taller than average? "Capable of robbery" is pretty useless, as descriptions go. It's hard to see what this post is trying to accomplish, if we're being charitable. I guess your position now is that you were just being pedantic for no good reason and were looking to have an argument over the definition of 'child' (specifically, whether it's appropriate to talk about people at an age where many have never had real jobs, are still in high school, live with their parents, and are listed as dependents on their parents' tax returns as 'children'). That's kind of a silly point to drop this sort of one-liner about, and if you really felt the need to make this point anyway you should have stopped to think about how it would look - a couple more sentences making clear that you're only wanting to be pedantic and aren't trying to justify his killing would have helped.
But then in a later post you go on and talk about how he wasn't an "upstanding citizen". And by now I don't think anyone's buying that you were just being pedantic earlier. That someone isn't an "upstanding citizen" means they're not a "child"? Clearly we've moved on to dancing around how, while maybe this is tragic and all, it's not nearly as tragic as it'd be if Brown weren't 6' 4".
Five years before Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown, the Ferguson PD was involved in a horrific scandal that further shows how brutal and expansive their power has been.
The Daily Beast has published an account from Henry Davis, who was wrongly arrested in Ferguson in 2009, allegedly beaten severely by four officers, and then charged with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms.
Davis had gotten lost on his way to St. Charles, MO and pulled over in Ferguson because he couldn't see through heavy rain. A Ferguson police officer who had pulled up behind Davis reportedly mistook him to be another Henry Davis (with a different middle name and Social Security number), who had an outstanding warrant. The arresting police officer allegedly took Davis' cell phone out of his hand, cuffed him, and placed him in the back of a patrol car without explanation.
Once Davis was at the Ferguson jail, he was allegedly assaulted by four officers, who slammed him against a wall, hit him, and kicked him. Davis was taken to a nearby hospital, where he refused treatment. He spent several days in jail before posting a $1,500 bond on four counts of "property damage."
In a subsequent civil trial brought by Davis, the Ferguson police officers' complaints that Davis had transferred blood to their uniforms were revealed to not just be bizarre, but trumped up (and remember, the whole incident happened because Davis was wrongfully arrested in the first place). However, a federal magistrate ruled that the apparent perjury was too minor to constitute a violation of due process, and Davis' injuries were too minor to constitute excessive force.
The trial is currently in appeals, and Davis' lawyer James Schottel now believes that the previous minimal ruling might be seen differently in the context of Michael Brown's death.
http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/...08+2014&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
I doesn't. We'll see if the forensic evidence bares out that story. If it does the case will be pretty simple
TheLaughingStock
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Johnson isn't guilty of any wrongdoing according to the police. So, it would presumably be the Darren Wilson if there's enough evidence to arrest of course.
Currently catching up to this. I want to just say that I don't see how a robbery could be used in any way to justify a murder. Hell his interaction with the clerk wasn't even all that violent judging from looking at both the video and stills. The only reason it would be relevant would just be to explain how the altercation began between Brown and the cop, it should not be a reason to justify a murder.
Have police put out any sort of evidence that Brown took and shot the officer's gun? I keep on seeing people spout this, so I'm wondering if its confirmed or not.
Also I'm pissed that there are a some people that use the gun snatching as a justification for his death but clearly are ignoring the eye witness reports that he had his hands up when shot. Why use one piece of info and ignore the other?
Have police put out any sort of evidence that Brown took and shot the officer's gun? I keep on seeing people spout this, so I'm wondering if its confirmed or not.
Also I'm pissed that there are a some people that use the gun snatching as a justification for his death but clearly are ignoring the eye witness reports that he had his hands up when shot. Why use one piece of info and ignore the other?
BruiserBear
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Johnson probably won't be charged. He didn't push the store clerk. We're not even sure he stole anything.
Could not agree more. Unfortunately whenever there is a thread like this though, it always goes like that. Everything is a conspiracy, etc.
Video from local cinematographer yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59zJ5riWv0A
squatingyeti
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Please see my several other posts in this thread that you have obviously not read. So quick to jump on the defense train of things that haven't been said.
ReignofSparrows
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We are not giving binding legal opinions of what transpired. I am just trying to keep up with the thread and respond to what is being said. That's all I will say on the matter.
Byakuya769
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Well stated.
Pretend I'm slow. Carefully and thoughtfully lead me to what are your conclusions, arguments, and justifications on how Michael Brown's alleged robbery is related to his shooting.
I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
How blissly naive of you. There is a very real possibility of this having gone down exactly the way the eyewitnesses described and the cop still walking away a free man. Justice is fucked in this country.
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