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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Isn't the word "piecemeal?"
 
KHarvey16 said:
Are you speaking of "lots of people" in a general sense or specifically in this thread? I haven't seen anyone suggest that here.
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I haven't paid close attention to this thread. I meant "lots of people" generally, though I've been arguing that it's really easy to at least interpret Higgins' posts as aiming to downplay the tragedy here.
 
So to SOME people a "get the fuck out my way" push merits being shot ~10 times and left in the street for hours as if he was some squirrel or something that got ran over in the middle of the road.
 
Hari Seldon said:
The robbery is related to the shooting because it provides motive for Brown's alleged attack on the cop - he didn't want to be arrested for robbery. Without this motive, the cop's story falls apart even before you get to the eye witnesses or the hopefully forthcoming hard evidence.
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Have the Furgerson PD said this was the case?

From what I understand, they just released the incidence report of Brown's without saying anything about how it ties into the shooting.
 
commedieu said:
and you know they hand picked those stills.
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The way the whole thing went down with the police Chief this morning just seemed so smug. The vagueness of what he was saying about the officer, then dropping the name, and then handing out this packet to the press that has the photos, so they could witness the shots first hand and react. Then the Chief hands those out, and quickly leaves, leaving everyone else there completely befuddled by the grainy shots.
 
EASTC0AST_GH05T said:
in a racist persons mind he deserved to die just for being black in a prejudice persons mind they figure well he must have committed a crime and put the cop at risk so that's why he got killed. Being black in America you are usually guilty before proven innocent and all is fair game if you fit the profile.
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My conclusion is that being black in America means your life is treated as a privilege and not a right.
 
Tripon said:
Have the Furgerson PD said this was the case?

From what I understand, they just released the incidence report of Brown's without saying anything about how it ties into the shooting.
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They said the stop occurred because he matched the description.
 
Gotchaye said:
I haven't paid close attention to this thread. I meant "lots of people" generally, though I've been arguing that it's really easy to at least interpret Higgins' posts as aiming to downplay the tragedy here.
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Is he not owed the benefit of at least being asked first?
 
devilhawk said:
Exactly. It does not mean the cop is not guilty. It is germane to the investigation however.
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It ends up being irrelevant though because even if Mike went for the officer's gun at some point, it was murder to shoot him in the back as he's running away or after he stopped, turned around, and put his hands up.
 
Tripon said:
These are your posts. All you have talked about in this thread is about the video of the allege robbery, and trying to find fault with people who say that it is irrelevant. So I ask you again, please tell me (according to you) why its justified to keep on zoning on what Michael Brown allegedly did vs. Darren Wilson taking a life.
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You are not comprehending what I'm replying to or what I'm stating. So I ask you again, take your logical fallacy somewhere else.

I don't find fault with people that say it isn't relevant to the shooting. Dismissing it outright does neglect some motives from both sides for what may have taken place on that street. However, you are grossly misinterpreting what I've stated. You can remove the word allegedly seeing as the friend and the video confirm though.

What I have stated is that there's zero need to defend every aspect of Brown's life to say that the shooting was unjustified. He robbed a store and assaulted the clerk. FULL stop. Is that understood? There's no need for people to defend that. It makes them look just as bad as people trying to use it to justify an alleged excessive use of force. Notice, this is still alleged as the details are not clear about when, how many times, where, and why Brown was being shot.
 
squatingyeti said:
You are not comprehending what I'm replying to or what I'm stating. So I ask you again, take your logical fallacy somewhere else.

I don't find fault with people that say it isn't relevant to the shooting. Dismissing it outright does neglect some motives from both sides for what may have taken place on that street. However, you are grossly misinterpreting what I've stated. You can remove the word allegedly seeing as the friend and the video confirm though.

What I have stated is that there's zero need to defend every aspect of Brown's life to say that the shooting was unjustified. He robbed a store and assaulted the clerk. FULL stop. Is that understood? There's no need for people to defend that. It makes them look just as bad as people trying to use it to justify an alleged excessive use of force. Notice, this is still alleged as the details are not clear about when, how many times, where, and why Brown was being shot.
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Hey, non-stationed troll..why is this the conversation you want to have? You know you can ignore said people, correct? There IS a larger conversation to be had, no? Nah..you do you, pepper jack!

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Gordon Shumway said:
Hey, non-stationed troll..why is this the conversation you want to have? You know you can ignore said people, correct? There IS a larger conversation to be had, no? Nah..you do you, pepper jack!
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wait, are you defending someone else's character against attack because a crime they committed not being related to being shot, while simultaneously attacking my character because a mod somewhere around 5 years ago decided they wanted to give me a tag?

Alrighty then.

5 years ago could be too lenient. Maybe more like 7. Heck can't even remember, but I'm sure it invalidates everything I say!
 
CrankyJay said:
All I saw was people finishing his sentence for him or otherwise putting words in his mouth =(
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It's a shame because the topic is deadly serious and deserves better. Differing perspectives and skepticism from any angle can be valuable. Obviously those expressing abhorrent viewpoints can be called out but let's let them actually express them first.

Air Zombie Meat said:
It explains why people are suspicious though.
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The motivation is irrelevant. The position is either justifiable or it is not.
 
FreddieQuell said:
It ends up being irrelevant though because even if Mike went for the officer's gun at some point, it was murder to shoot him in the back as he's running away or after he stopped, turned around, and put his hands up.
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If the ballistics and forensics match the two female witnesses, more or less, this at best could be possibly a mitigating factor to knock the charge down a level/reduce the prison time. So in that context, I would say that it is is relevant, but only as to the second question "what to do with Wilson" not the first and most important question of "was this an unlawful act"

I don't know, unless Brown was high, it strikes me as insane to reach for a cops gun or push the cop if the gun was in his hand. I would probably charge Wilson and then try to force him to testify that Brown grabbed the gun. Seems difficult to believe, frankly.
 
KHarvey16 said:
Is he not owed the benefit of at least being asked first?
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People did call attention to how his post sounded. He doubled down with the "upstanding citizen" thing, which simply doesn't make any sense in the context of the discussion he was participating in except as tragedy-minimizing. As of his last posting which I replied to he was defending his right to say whatever he wanted as long as it was true, no matter how irrelevant it was to the conversation or how reasonable people would interpret it.

But, what are you expecting here? Nobody's ever going to cop to attempting this sort of tragedy-minimization. Probably lots of it isn't even conscious - it's not like trolling. There's just this feeling that it's important to distinguish this case from paradigmatic tragic cases, without a whole lot of reflection as to the moral basis for the distinction.
 
squatingyeti said:
You are not comprehending what I'm replying to or what I'm stating. So I ask you again, take your logical fallacy somewhere else.
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No, If I misinterpreted what you have said, I needed you to clarify. That's why I'm questioning you. Are you saying that if I really did misinterpreted your words, you want me to say misinformed?

I don't find fault with people that say it isn't relevant to the shooting. Dismissing it outright does neglect some motives from both sides for what may have taken place on that street. However, you are grossly misinterpreting what I've stated. You can remove the word allegedly seeing as the friend and the video confirm though.
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I used the words allegedly because it is an incidence report. Also, Brown's never going to have his day in court because Darren Wilson took that away from him along with his life. So I used alleged, it is because he's not have been convicted of anything yet and never will be.

What I have stated is that there's zero need to defend every aspect of Brown's life to say that the shooting was unjustified. He robbed a store and assaulted the clerk. FULL stop. Is that understood? There's no need for people to defend that. It makes them look just as bad as people trying to use it to justify an alleged excessive use of force. Notice, this is still alleged as the details are not clear about when, how many times, where, and why Brown was being shot.
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Nobody is defending it, people are saying that bringing up is a smokescreen for justification of the shooting. I'm not trying to make Michael Brown into a saint here, but trying to focus only on the convenience store robbery is an implication that that Brown's own actions led to his death.

That is the issue I have with your posts. You're trying to force people to focus on something that is tangentially related to the issue that an officer shot Brown multiple times.

At least own up to that.
 
squatingyeti said:
wait, are you defending someone else's character against attack because a crime they committed not being related to being shot, while simultaneously attacking my character because a mod somewhere around 5 years ago decided they wanted to give me a tag?

Alrighty then.
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Hey, penis burger..a kid (Black HULK) was shot dead while his hands were up. Protesters were treated like enemy combatants BEFORE one rock was thrown. That's the conversation that SHOULD be happening. Did I stutter?
 
Has this video been posted? Not sure if I need a warning, but strong language is used.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfy5FiqzWHI&sns=em

This would appear to be a third witness, aside from the already known Dorian Johnson and Tiffany Mitchell. I found it through Antonio French's twitter feed (he is the alderman in Ferguson that was arrested). Someone in the comments does give a name (Jack Larson), but they may be talking about who posted the video or something else, not clear. These comments are really sickening and not informative so I don't have the hear to go through them all. I haven't seen this video anywhere else.
 
Damn. Just caught up on whats been going on with this. What a clusterfuck.

Whatever happens now I hope this can end in a peaceful manner without anyone else getting hurt
 
Have we heard anything from the clerk in the video? I'm shocked he hasn't released some sort of statement unless I have missed it this afternoon.
 
So what the police are saying is that he deserved die because he stole something? What is the point of the video? It doesn't show anything that involves the shooting of an unarmed citizen by a police officer.
 
endresults said:
The poor innocent child who was killed had just stolen a box of cigars from a convenience store. SHOCKING.
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People like this are why problems like this are very very very hard to iron out.

I'm not going to say anything bad about you. You already did

Fucks like you get to VOTE like the rest of us. You know what that means? That means it takes generations before collective stupidity of your kind is voted on, and finally overturned. But part of life is dealing with issues like this, and people like you
 
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