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[mre]

Is the case still good law?

If so, that sucks for Brown because that's almost right on point, unless in the above-mentioned case the taking of the property and pushing the manager were essentially instantaneous as opposed to the slight delay seen in this situation.

It is, and RoS is absolutely correct that the MO statutes specifically define "forcibly steals" to include the victim's attempt to recover the property.

Also, another case:

Defendant was still in act of taking, removing and carrying property from store at time he struck security officer and knocked her off balance so as to support conviction for second-degree robbery through use of physical force, where defendant struck security guard as he exited door of store after security guard approached him and claimed that he had shoplifted. State v. Cates (App. W.D. 1993) 854 S.W.2d 17.

It's irrelevant as far as the shooting, as it has been reported that the shooting officer was ignorant of the earlier robbery (or theft). However, it's relevant to the forthcoming smear campaign of Michael Brown. And if it's true that the officer was ignorant of the robbery, then any labeling of him as an "alleged robber" or "alleged felon" will be nothing more than a smear campaign.

 

[BFIB]

Wow people really took my post to harshly. Yes its a bad situation but come on.I think the news have 24/7 coverage on it right now when there are bigger events developing in the world.

Just.Stop.

 

[Camp Lo]

Just ignore and move on. This is his time to shine.

 

[Enzom21]

Wow people really took my post to harshly. Yes its a really bad situation but come on.I think the news have 24/7 coverage on it right now is wrong when there are bigger events developing in the world.

You should have stopped with your first stupid fucking post. Go back to lurking genius.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Wow people really took my post to harshly. Yes its a bad situation but come on.I think the news have 24/7 coverage on it right now when there are bigger events developing in the world.

Another example of the general apathy toward the black american plight: "There are much bigger events developing."

 

[Crocodile]

So getting back on topic, the only thing that has happened in the past few hours was confirmation that Wilson didn't even know about the shoplifting/whatever before meeting up with Brown? Double Triple Quadruple confirming what most people could conclude in that the release of info this morning was a mostly a smear tactic by the Ferguson PD?

 

[Sai-kun]

Wow people really took my post to harshly. Yes its a really bad situation but come on.I think the news have 24/7 coverage on it right now is wrong when there are bigger events developing in the world. There will be a full investigation on the shooting and justice will be handed out.

nice edit lol

stop posting

edit: lmao perfect use of subzero's pic down there ---v

 

[Kacho]

Wow people really took my post to harshly. Yes its a bad situation but come on.I think the news have 24/7 coverage on it right now when there are bigger events developing in the world.

1. Thread whining is against the rules here

2. You're being incredibly insensitive to events that many people are very emotional about. Just because equally bad or worse things may be occurring elsewhere in the world doesn't not mean this story shouldn't be covered or discussed.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Wow people really took my post to harshly. Yes its a really bad situation but come on.I think the news have 24/7 coverage on it right now is wrong when there are bigger events developing in the world. There will be a full investigation on the shooting and justice will be handed out.

I consider the plights of American citizens more paramount than the plights of people across the Atlantic. Make a fucking thread about how you feel. Stop shitting up this one, it's annoying as fuck.

 

[Gorillaz]

Wow people really took my post to harshly. Yes its a bad situation but come on.I think the news have 24/7 coverage on it right now when there are bigger events developing in the world.

This whole thing started 5 days ago and the media didnt get invested until the showdown 2 days ago. If it wasn't for media being treated like shit a day ago, this wouldn't be talked about

Also Its not really 24/7 coverage.

 

[Camp Lo]

So getting back on topic, the only thing that has happened in the past few hours was confirmation that Wilson didn't even know about the shoplifting/whatever before meeting up with Brown? Double Triple Quadruple confirming what most people could conclude in that the release of info this morning was a mostly a smear tactic by the Ferguson PD?

Word? I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that PD.

 

[NEOPARADIGM]

Wow people really took my post to harshly. Yes its a really bad situation but come on.I think the news have 24/7 coverage on it right now is wrong when there are bigger events developing in the world. There will be a full investigation on the shooting and justice will be handed out.

 

[Abelian75]

I know that you want to be impartial and the like, but it's unnecessary. You've admitted that he fucked up horribly at the very least. There's no need for any more than that. That it happens so often suggests that there's something wrong in this country. He is, like it or not, part of the problem. Full stop.

I'm not doing a great job communicating and I absolutely agree there's a problem. I feel that we also have another problem in our country (and the world) with not being nearly agnostic enough (not in the religious sense, but in the knowledge sense).

That said, in retrospect there is no reason for me to clutter up this thread with a more general discussion and for that I apologize. I almost certainly pretty much agree with all of your thoughts on the shooting, just with some reservations on the side as well.

Edit so as not to add more clutter: Actually I just kind of apologize in general. I do believe the things I'm saying and think they are important, but a thread about a kid who got shot in the street really wasn't the place to discuss them, particularly not days after the event.

 

[commedieu]

Wow people really took my post to harshly. Yes its a really bad situation but come on.I think the news have 24/7 coverage on it right now is wrong when there are bigger events developing in the world. There will be a full investigation on the shooting and justice will be handed out.

THANK YOU!

And It seems that he robbed a store earlier too??? 247 coverage for a thief..???

 

[Lord Moriarty007]

Another example of the general apathy toward the black american plight: "There are much bigger events developing."

Now people want to label me racist.

 

[Punchy4486]

So getting back on topic, the only thing that has happened in the past few hours was confirmation that Wilson didn't even know about the shoplifting/whatever before meeting up with Brown? Double Triple Quadruple confirming what most people could conclude in that the release of info this morning was a mostly a smear tactic by the Ferguson PD?

Also someone had been live tweeting the shooting and his facts seem to line up eerily well with all of the eye-witness testimonies.

 

[Trouble]

So getting back on topic, the only thing that has happened in the past few hours was confirmation that Wilson didn't even know about the shoplifting/whatever before meeting up with Brown? Double Triple Quadruple confirming what most people could conclude in that the release of info this morning was a mostly a smear tactic by the Ferguson PD?

100% a smear tactic.

Now people want to label me racist.

Maybe take a moment and think about why.

 

[Sanjuro]

I like how the news coverage from the major outlets has picked up steadily since the robbery narrative.

 

[Byakuya769]

Now people want to label me racist.

If they wanted to, they would.

I hope you don't post about hockey while there are more important things going on in the world.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Now people want to label me racist.

He didn't call you racist, he called you apathetic which you are. The persecution complex isn't needed. Again make a thread about these much more important world issues. If you bothered to read the title of this thread before coming in with your holier "think of the suffering the world over" post you'd realize this post was designed to speak on the atrocities being committed here in America. You want to talk about world problems? Make a thread, because this thread clearly isn't about that.

Bye Felicia.

 

[Askani]

Now people want to label me racist.

I weep for the hard day you've had. What can do to ease your burden? Clearly this thread is the place and time for us to find out.

 

[everyday math]

Now people want to label me racist.

So guys have they given any other new information today?

 

[paolo11]

Now people want to label me racist.

Friend, I urge you to please be mindful about posting in this topic. This is a very sensitive and serious event so there is no need to add fuel to the fire.

 

[Enzom21]

Edit:
Everyone should listen to Camp Lo

Just ignore and move on. This is his time to shine.

 

[BHZ Mayor]

Now people want to label me racist.

You don't have to be racist to be complacent with or apathetic about racism.

 

[Flo_Evans]

So getting back on topic, the only thing that has happened in the past few hours was confirmation that Wilson didn't even know about the shoplifting/whatever before meeting up with Brown? Double Triple Quadruple confirming what most people could conclude in that the release of info this morning was a mostly a smear tactic by the Ferguson PD?

Yeah I don't know what the hell that chief is thinking.

After getting taken off the protest security someone really should of told him to STFU and if asked questions refer to the highway patrol or the prosecutors office.

I mean his job was to maintain order - he failed miserably, now that he is no longer in charge he seems to just be sticking his finger in the pie still in a vain attempt to paint the victim as a criminal and justify his departments actions.

Dude is (hopefully) going to be fired after all this is said and done.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Now people want to label me racist.

You brought it on yourself, dude. Whether you're racist or not, which I don't think you are, you have no room to complain about people smacking you for making incredibly insensitive and quite frankly fucking retarded comments.

What exactly was your main point anyway?

 

[gutter_trash]

Wow people really took my post to harshly. Yes its a really bad situation but come on.I think the news have 24/7 coverage on it right now is wrong when there are bigger events developing in the world. There will be a full investigation on the shooting and justice will be handed out.

that is why we have other threads that exist to discuss those other things.

Just because there are more pressing things happening internationally, it does not mean we most turn a blind eye to wrongful things happening domesticity

 

[BFIB]

Now people want to label me racist.

No one's saying that, hell I'm the whitest guy here, just understand that tensions are high in this thread.

EDIT: nevermind...well, I tried

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Now people want to label me racist.

I don't think anyone did that. Ignorant certainly ... but no one said anything about racism.

 

[Trouble]

Yeah I don't know what the hell that chief is thinking.

After getting taken off the protest security someone really should of told him to STFU and if asked questions refer to the highway patrol or the prosecutors office.

I mean his job was to maintain order - he failed miserably, now that he is no longer in charge he seems to just be sticking his finger in the pie still in a vain attempt to paint the victim as a criminal and justify his departments actions.

Dude is (hopefully) going to be fired after all this is said and done.

Would it be a demotion for Johnson to become chief of Ferguson? Because I think a lot of people would like to see that happen.

 

[Malyse]

Wasn't that the gist of the Polygon article that everyone was pissed off about? I'm guessing they were just not happy with linking this to video games, but I agree every cop should be monitored these days.

I was pissed at the disingenuous, we can related this tragedy to video games clickbaity title than the content.

 

[googleplex]

Now people want to label me racist.

No most people just labeled you stupid for that first post. But keep posting, I'm sure more nastier sides of your personalty will come out.

 

[everyday math]

Would it be a demotion for Johnson to become chief of Ferguson? Because I think a lot of people would like to see that happen.

Or maybe Johnson could give a recommendation? I would trust him to give a good one.

Edit: Bye Lord.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Now people want to label me racist.

You won't be missed.

Edit: banned already, anyways, no one was calling you racist, just stupid/ignorant.

 

[Angelus Errare]

So getting back on topic, the only thing that has happened in the past few hours was confirmation that Wilson didn't even know about the shoplifting/whatever before meeting up with Brown? Double Triple Quadruple confirming what most people could conclude in that the release of info this morning was a mostly a smear tactic by the Ferguson PD?

It's clear to anyone with a modicum of intelligence that all of this is to smear and dehumanize Mike Brown and paint a clear narrative that his death is somehow justified. This is a textbook example of character assassination. As I stated in the Trayvon Martin trial, had Mike Brown been Samantha Brown from a affluent family, white as snow the narrative behind all of this would be much different; no one would even care that she stole some cigarillos. Overwhelmingly people would be utterly revolted at how all of this is going down. But because Mike Brown is black; there's this lingering doubt and doubling down of "well in some way he deserved it, don't do the crime if you don't want to be shot" then you have remedial waste of life people on twitter with their "herp derp, see just a thug. Nothing to see here" that is echoed on GAF.

 

[MechaX]

It is, and RoS is absolutely correct that the MO statutes specifically define "forcibly steals" to include the victim's attempt to recover the property.

Also, another case:


It's irrelevant as far as the shooting, as it has been reported that the shooting officer was ignorant of the earlier robbery (or theft). However, it's relevant to the forthcoming smear campaign of Michael Brown. And if it's true that the officer was ignorant of the robbery, then any labeling of him as an "alleged robber" or "alleged felon" will be nothing more than a smear campaign.

I was going to post something about that first case's set of facts that would be the only real way to try to distinguish it from Brown's situation (especially since in the first case, the owner actually tried to physically block them). But with that second example case... God damn, that would be a tough defense.

But I still agree that the legal puzzle of this notwithstanding, this is still one misdirection ploy by Ferguson PD.

 

[commedieu]

I shouldn't have tried to egg him on, but christ its the only thing i could do outside of throwing my keyboard off the desk. These threads are frustrating. We need to all have scheduled decompression activities.

 

[gutter_trash]

NHL season cannot come soon enough for Lord Moriarty007

Bye bye Jean-Sébastien Giguère, Stanly Cup champ.

 

[timetokill]

The police really are shameless.

 

[mre]

Would it be a demotion for Johnson to become chief of Ferguson?

Yes. Unquestionably with the possible exception that he may get a pay raise, depending upon how many pay increases cronyism has created for the Ferguson chief of police.

 

[Camp Lo]

Probably already posted but

Mark Berman ‏@themarkberman 1h
An officer at Darren Wilson's house says Wilson and his family left days ago, @yamiche & co. report http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...souri-police-michael-brown-shooting/14098369/ …

I wonder if they told him to haul ass the same day.

 

[everyday math]

I shouldn't have tried to egg him on, but christ its the only thing i could do outside of throwing my keyboard off the desk. These threads are frustrating. We need to all have scheduled decompression activities.

Work has been good way to decompress for me.

You could take a walk? Leave your phone and stuff at home.

Probably already posted but

 

[Sai-kun]

I shouldn't have tried to egg him on, but christ its the only thing i could do outside of throwing my keyboard off the desk. These threads are frustrating. We need to all have scheduled decompression activities.

Free stress balls in the shape of the neogaf logo for everyone!

 

[BFIB]

I shouldn't have tried to egg him on, but christ its the only thing i could do outside of throwing my keyboard off the desk. These threads are frustrating. We need to all have scheduled decompression activities.

Usually I avoid these kinds of threads, mainly because I know tensions will be high in them. This one is right in my backyard, so I like to offer whatever I can regarding local media updates and whatnot.

But entering and just throwing that out there like he did, clearly he did not read the GAF TOS.

 

[CrimsonCommie]

Probably already posted but



I wonder if they told him to haul ass the same day.

Why is this fucker still free

 

[commedieu]

Probably already posted but



I wonder if they told him to haul ass the same day.

so this is confirmed then..?

Usually I avoid these kinds of threads, mainly because I know tensions will be high in them. This one is right in my backyard, so I like to offer whatever I can regarding local media updates and whatnot.

But entering and just throwing that out there like he did, clearly he did not read the GAF TOS.

Free stress balls in the shape of the neogaf logo for everyone!

Work has been good way to decompress for me.

You could take a walk? Leave your phone and stuff at home.

yeah... taking that walk. ... cheers all.

tw

 

[Malyse]

I shouldn't have tried to egg him on, but christ its the only thing i could do outside of throwing my keyboard off the desk. These threads are frustrating. We need to all have scheduled decompression activities.

I got you some suggestions.
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=875531

 

[mre]

Probably already posted but



I wonder if they told him to haul ass the same day.

Well, he is currently getting a paid vacation. Makes sense. Maybe take the kids to Disney. It could be his last opportunity to do so for 25-30 years.

 

[Brakke]

a friend pointed out that chip bag in this picture looks like it's Red Hot Riplets.

The St Louis treat. Believe.