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Well tbf if your given rare magical water with super healing capabilities your not going to use it at the first opportunity, you'll probably also won't mention it all the time (what purpose does that serve). There's no real issue with the logic. It was a special item used during a dire time. Sorta like what happens in real life,

Yeah, but how is she supposed to know what time is dire enough. You could have had it work in a number of different ways. For example, have it brought up when Iroh got injured. Or have an episode where she simply loses it or something. Or an episode where she has to choose to use it on a stranger, maybe just a little of it. There are a number of ways you can bring it up to keep it in mind that you have it, that will feel organic when THE situation that needs it above all comes.
 
Why is everybody spoiler tagging stuff? I thought the episode was fair game since it's already out?

Anyway, who's the Fire Lord right now? I thought it was Zuko.

His daughter.

We decided to spoiler tag episodes until 8pm EST, Korra's old air time. It's what people are used to, and gives everyone a chance to get home from work/wherever and watch the episodes.
 
I will also echo how badass Tenzin was. Loved the air bender vs air bender action. This is the first time that's ever happened I believe?
 
Why is everybody spoiler tagging stuff? I thought the episode was fair game since it's already out?

Anyway, who's the Fire Lord right now? I thought it was Zuko.

His daughter.

Should totally be called Fire Lady, imo. Even sounds better. You don't see the earth kingdom calling their queen the Earth King, do you?

Fire lady sounds like they don't know who she is, so they just call her fire lady.
 
Yeah, but how is she supposed to know what time is dire enough. You could have had it work in a number of different ways. For example, have it brought up when Iroh got injured. Or have an episode where she simply loses it or something. Or an episode where she has to choose to use it on a stranger, maybe just a little of it. There are a number of ways you can bring it up to keep it in mind that you have it, that will feel organic when THE situation that needs it above all comes.

When someone is about to die otherwise... She's a healer and such an occurrence hadn't happened before. It's not at all surprising. Your trying to turn it into something it's not. She can heal perfectly fine without it. She doesn't need it to heal people, she needs it to save their lives. As a healer she can tell when someones about to die or normal water bending won't work. That's the point of the thing. It also doesn't just run out if you noticed.
 
When someone is about to die otherwise... She's a healer and such an occurrence hadn't happened before. It's not at all surprising. Your trying to turn it into something it's not. She can heal perfectly fine without it. She doesn't need it to heal people, she needs it to save their lives. As a healer she can tell when someones about to die or normal water bending won't work.

She was already considering using it on Zuko's scar, so you can't say that she only intended to use it in a time of someone's death. She didn't even know what it did, except that it healed better. She didn't know to what degree or anything.

And I'm not trying to turn it into anything, I'm just showing how the same thing could be done more organically. Introducing a plot device way back in first ep, then having it do nothing until the very last ep which is the moment it is needed most is bad from a pacing perspective. It should have been brought up a few times beforehand to keep viewers in suspense as to what it was actually to be done with it, so it won't be as telegraphed when it finally does happen.

Fire lady sounds like they don't know who she is, so they just call her fire lady.

Context matters, and calling her the Fire Lady can sound regal as much as calling, say, a little kid fire lord can sound patronizing. .

That said, any reservations you feel are probably because much of our language is structured on patriarchal principles where the feminine version of something always appears to be the lesser. It's why kingdoms are called kingdoms, even if a queen is leading them. Men were always the default party of authority. So where a Fire Lord may sound legitimate, a Fire Lady is just funny.

I think it sounds far more awkward to call her the Fire Lord, in any case. Wish there was a gender neutral term for it, but that's just not how our language was built.
 
I always wonder what happy to Guru Pathik.

He is like the most
or only?
brown-skinned Asian in that show (or the most explicitly Hindu-inspired).

Pathik was Hindu-inspired, yeah. And the only one we've seen in the entire series, so who knows where he came from or what part of the Avatar world.
 
Hey, for everyone who thinks Tenzin
died

I was just reminded of a rather important plot point. Spirits go to the spirit world, and the spirit world is connected to the human world.

So him dying is not as huge a problem as you think it is. Ming hua can cut him to shreds and Ghazan can crush his skull with rocks and melt his body in lava. Whatever gets them off.

And Tenzin can just walk out the next say at the north or south pole.
 
Hey, for everyone who thinks Tenzin
died

I was just reminded of a rather important plot point. Spirits go to the spirit world, and the spirit world is connected to the human world.

So him dying is not as huge a problem as you think it is. Ming hua can cut him to shreds and Ghazan can crush his skull with rocks and melt his body in lava. Whatever gets them off.

And Tenzin can just walk out the next say at the north or south pole.

I don't think it quite works like that.
Maybe if you die by special circumstances like Zhao, or physically go there yourself like Iroh. But for most, if they die, they die.

It's confusing regardless.
 
My checklist of stuff I expect in the finale:

1. Team Avatar vs. Red Lotus
Korra v Zaheer, Bolin and Opal v Ghazan, Mako and Asami vs P'Li and Ming-Hua
2. Bolin finds out he is a lava bender
3. Seriously though give Asami an honest to goodness fight
4. Jinora earns her tattoos and is recognized as an airbending master
5. Main Character Death

If any one of those things happens then I'd be happy as a clam.
 
I really hope
Tenzin isn't dead

I'm reasonably sure he is.

Again,
they usually just show it when somebody gets knocked out.

Watch that last scene again, and this time focus on the sounds after you can no longer see what's happening.
 
I don't think it quite works like that.
Maybe if you die by special circumstances like Zhao, or physically go there yourself like Iroh. But for most, if they die, they die.

It's confusing regardless.

That makes sense...as much as it can.
I think we would see Aang and Sokka help out a bit more if they were spirits able to move freely between both worlds. Maybe not Aang since he was a past Avatar and the Avatar Spirit was severed, but at least Sokka.

The issue with
Tenzin dying is who is going to teach the Airbenders? I get Jinora is very capable, but she is still young and she still doesn't have the wisdom that does come with age. It'll just seem a bit weird if she takes her father's place.
 
I don't think it quite works like that.
Maybe if you die by special circumstances like Zhao, or physically go there yourself like Iroh. But for most, if they die, they die.

It's confusing regardless.

We have no idea how it works, the show never went into it, but I don't understand why our spirits would go anywhere but the spirit world upon death.

Aang made it there anyhow, and his spirit is supposed to be within Korra, so I don't even know how that happened.

Also, if it does happen, I totally predicted in the season 2 thread that Korra effectively ended death.
 
We have no idea how it works, the show never went into it, but I don't understand why our spirits would go anywhere but the spirit world upon death.

Aang made it there anyhow, and his spirit is supposed to be within Korra, so I don't even know how that happened.

Also, if it does happen, I totally predicted in the season 2 thread that Korra effectively ended death.

Yeah, it's fuzzy. I just don't think the ramifications of opening the portals means that no one can die. I just can't see that being the case. Nothing more than my gut feeling, mind. But your theory is rational.
 
Tenzin will live.
bookmark this post. im never wrong.

you are this time

just ask yourself, in that situation, given the players involved, why in the world wouldn't
Zaheer and co. kill Tenzin? They killed the Earth queen, Combustion Lady thinks she killed Kai, Bumi, and Kya, the arm tentacle lady tried to kill Kya by fashioning big ice blades. Let's not forget, too, that Tenzin had just specifically told them that he'd never stop fighting while he was breathing.

I mean why on earth wouldn't they do it? Seriously?
 
Cool little factoid. This season finale is the 100th episode of the Avatar franchise.

That is pretty cool. So far the season has been amazing, I just hope it keeps the quality going for the end.

I guess season 4 will not air on Nick but rather only be available through certain online channels as well? I wish they would just do a Netflix thing and release the whole season at once if that's the case.
 
We have no idea how it works, the show never went into it, but I don't understand why our spirits would go anywhere but the spirit world upon death.

Aang made it there anyhow, and his spirit is supposed to be within Korra, so I don't even know how that happened.

Also, if it does happen, I totally predicted in the season 2 thread that Korra effectively ended death.

Ending death certainly didn't save the Earth Queen :P

I suspect that The Spirit World is more like another Earth/etc then an actual Heaven location where the dead go. Prob like some kind of altered reality that's different then the Avatar's world but is connected at the poles.

Btw, when it comes to Combustion Woman in this episode:
When she is alone in the airship using her powers against the air nomads, who is driving?! She certainly isn't, she is hanging out the door concentrating on the people below.

That is pretty cool. So far the season has been amazing, I just hope it keeps the quality going for the end.

I guess season 4 will not air on Nick but rather only be available through certain online channels as well? I wish they would just do a Netflix thing and release the whole season at once if that's the case.
I hope this gives them more freedom and money perhaps to do a full 20 episode season. Always felt that made the flow of each episode to episode little fast, esp how quickly season 1 ended.

Obviously unlikely, but be kinda cool if somehow they could go back and make a new Avatar series/special starting Aang and others from 1st series but while adults while doing Korra season 4 at same time. Be cool to learn more about what happened during last 60 or so years. As the Avatar, surely there has been plenty of times where there was conflict and he was needed. Though that might ruin the magic of it all if we knew everything else to know.
 
Hey, for everyone who thinks Tenzin
died

I was just reminded of a rather important plot point. Spirits go to the spirit world, and the spirit world is connected to the human world.

So him dying is not as huge a problem as you think it is. Ming hua can cut him to shreds and Ghazan can crush his skull with rocks and melt his body in lava. Whatever gets them off.

And Tenzin can just walk out the next say at the north or south pole.

Doesn't work like that. If Tezin original body is destroyed he can't just created a new one at the spirit world and come out just fine and dandy.

Only the Avatar can cheat death, unless they get killed during the Avatar state.


That makes sense...as much as it can.
I think we would see Aang and Sokka help out a bit more if they were spirits able to move freely between both worlds. Maybe not Aang since he was a past Avatar and the Avatar Spirit was severed, but at least Sokka.

The issue with
Tenzin dying is who is going to teach the Airbenders? I get Jinora is very capable, but she is still young and she still doesn't have the wisdom that does come with age. It'll just seem a bit weird if she takes her father's place.

Well considering how Jinora kept telling us how awesome she is at airbending and other crap she will totally take over her father.

Btw, when it comes to Combustion Woman in this episode:
When she is alone in the airship using her powers against the air nomads, who is driving?! She certainly isn't, she is hanging out the door concentrating on the people below.

This guy

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Ending death certainly didn't save the Earth Queen :P

The flesh obviously perishes, but who cares? The spirit survives and can enter and interact with the world as normally as a fleshy body can, as we see spirits do. For for all intents and purposes, they're alive like usual.
Doesn't work like that. If Tezin original body is destroyed he can't just created a new one at the spirit world and come out just fine and dandy.

Only the Avatar can cheat death, unless they get killed during the Avatar state.

That's not how being a spirit works. One thing we've been shown is that the body needs the spirit to move and function. We know that the opposite isn't true. Uncle himself just walked in on Korra today. If his body is somehow currently alive, it doesn't look like that, but I don't see what is stopping him from just walking out of the portal and saying whats up to Zuko.

Also, the avatar doesn't cheat death unless they're in the avatar state. The person who is the avatar dies. Their energy and abilities is what get transferred. Korra isn't Aang. They just use the same vehicle.
 
you are this time

just ask yourself, in that situation, given the players involved, why in the world wouldn't
Zaheer and co. kill Tenzin? They killed the Earth queen, Combustion Lady thinks she killed Kai, Bumi, and Kya, the arm tentacle lady tried to kill Kya by fashioning big ice blades. Let's not forget, too, that Tenzin had just specifically told them that he'd never stop fighting while he was breathing.

I mean why on earth wouldn't they do it? Seriously?

because
then Korra won't play along with their game for sure. zaheer is dumb but he aint that dumb.
 
Well considering how Jinora kept telling us how awesome she is at airbending and other crap she will totally take over her father.

I wouldn't be surprised if it happened, but it just won't feel like she earned it to me. The fact that she got angry over not getting her tattoos quite frankly shows me that she's not fully mature yet (and why would she be? She's still young).
 
We have no idea how it works, the show never went into it, but I don't understand why our spirits would go anywhere but the spirit world upon death.

Aang made it there anyhow, and his spirit is supposed to be within Korra, so I don't even know how that happened.

Also, if it does happen, I totally predicted in the season 2 thread that Korra effectively ended death.

Or, you know they reincarnate, as they would in just about every religion that this show bases itself on. Iroh was in the spirit world as he died, when that happens you are pretty much there forever. Iroh is essentially a pseudo Bodhisattva, he reached enlightenment, but stayed behind to help others (sort of, hence the pseudo). The spirit world isn't the afterlife, it at most is an afterlife in very specific circumstances.
 
I think he is alive and used as bait.

Will he be killed in the finale? Possibly. Zuko mentioned how much the air nomads and rebuilding the culture meant to Aang. It might mean the same thing on the same level to Tenzin.

I see a sacrifice coming in the end.
 
I find it funny that people think we are getting another Avatar after Korra when Nick clearly has done nothing but try and kill the show.
 
I find it funny that people think we are getting another Avatar after Korra when Nick clearly has done nothing but try and kill the show.

I don't believe we'll get another Avatar show after Korra, but we did get Korra and Nick did everything in its power to try and kill that show too. I seem to recall one time when Avatar was supposed to air, but it didn't. Instead, I was greeted with, "Who lived in a pineapple under the sea..."
 
Or, you know they reincarnate, as they would in just about every religion that this show bases itself on. Iroh was in the spirit world as he died, when that happens you are pretty much there forever. Iroh is essentially a pseudo Bodhisattva, he reached enlightenment, but stayed behind to help others (sort of, hence the pseudo). The spirit world isn't the afterlife, it at most is an afterlife in very specific circumstances.

Then Aang wouldn't have shown up to Bumi that one time. And again, reincarnation isn't usually instant, there are hells in buddhism, so where do the spirits go in that time? because I can't imagine where, if not the spirit world.
 
because
then Korra won't play along with their game for sure. zaheer is dumb but he aint that dumb.

he still holds the rest of the airbenders hostage

she's not going to risk the lives of the air babies
 
If Tenzin is dead at the start of the next episode, I will let this thread choose my avatar for the rest of the year.
 
wtf, I'm listening to the commentary of beginnings part 1 and they had the origin story planned out during book 2 earth of avatar

it would have made so much more sense to have that story in book 3 fire instead of book 2 spirits, would have solved a lot of issues people have with lion turtle out of nowhere, and hell man, Wan was a firebender avatar. Would show how great good could come from a firebender
 
wtf, I'm listening to the commentary of beginnings part 1 and they had the origin story planned out during book 2 earth of avatar

it would have made so much more sense to have that story in book 3 fire instead of book 2 spirits, would have solved a lot of issues people have with lion turtle out of nowhere, and hell man, Wan was a firebender avatar. Would show how great good could come from a firebender

So that explains why Wan was so good, he was written prior to Korra.
 
When Tenzin said
"as long as I'm breathing..."

I expected
Zaheer to suffocate him. I think he's dead...nah I think he'll live. He's effed up pretty bad though.
 
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