Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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crisdecuba said:
Funny thing is, depending on which group I start to empathize with or put myself in the shoes of, I can imagine the various claimed scenarios being true. The difficult part is in figuring out what is the truth.

As I hear each person's thought process in this thread, and their interpretations of what the most likely course of events was, it's striking to me that most of them seem reasonable or potentially true depending on who's side I'm seeking to understand...

Looking forward to the results of the investigation and the review of the evidence.
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The idea of a crazed black man rushing at a well meaning and scared white cop is ludicrouly satirical.
 
This fucking story...

I actually agree the cops are too militarized, aggressive and downright dangerous. But trying to talk about it with this case in the news...

"The police are militarized and aggressive."
"But there are people looting and burning businesses! Look at what they have to deal with!"
"Well...."

It's just depressing. Some of these fucking people, heavy handed cops couldn't ask for a better PR department. How many more nights of trouble in Ferguson can I stand to hear about before I just think 'fuck it, tear gas them all, shoot them in the street if that's what it takes, just stop the looting'? Not many. Stop. Fucking. Looting.
 
Apt101 said:
I know someone married to a police officer, who happens to have a connection with the shooter - so they claim. They were told a very similar story, and related it to me last. It closely matches what's in that tavernkeepers.com post with a few differences. And remember this is completely unsubstantiated and could be 100% bullshit, but I honestly have no reason not to trust this person if they heard from the person they said they did.

The person said there were three males that rushed the police car. They forced and held the door closed and attacked him through the window. They struck him in the face. When the officer managed to pull his gun out it went off. No mention that Michael or anyone else tried to wrestle it away from him. They began to run and the cop exited, told Michael to freeze. Michael turned around with his hands up and kept taunting the cop while walking towards him, saying "what you gonna do shoot me?" and such. The officer told him to stop several times and when Michael got too close he began shooting. No mention of anyone charging him once he was outside of the vehicle.
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Wait... where did this third person come from? I'm pretty sure even the police aren't saying there was a third person outside the car (only two). Also, every eyewitness is saying he put his hands up. All 4 of them that we know of so far (there may be more according to various twitter reports, and I'm sure the FBI is running into them while canvasing). So Wilson's defense is that Mike Brown reared his head, and started hopping toward him like Donkey Kong or something? And since when do black people randomly attack police? This isn't very plausible.
 
marrec said:
The idea of a crazed black man rushing at a well meaning and scared white cop is ludicrouly satirical.
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From the eye witness account conversation embedded at taverns website, the witness specifically said that he thought the cop's shots were missing because Michael Brown kept moving toward the officer.
 
Yep, this is the Trayvon Martin case all over again. The shooter if left free long enough to start market testing different defense strategies prior to ever being charged.

Remember when Zimmerman wasn't following Martin but Martin just randomly attack him from the shadows like a ninja while he got out of his car to check where he was in his own neighborhood? Fortunately for him the prosecution in his case threw it enough so it was never necessary for him to take the stand and explain all of his previous ridiculous stories. There were plenty of posters in those threads that believed that earlier version of events before the evidence proved it was impossible though.
 
Apt101 said:
I know someone married to a police officer, who happens to have a connection with the shooter - so they claim. They were told a very similar story, and related it to me last. It closely matches what's in that tavernkeepers.com post with a few differences. And remember this is completely unsubstantiated and could be 100% bullshit, but I honestly have no reason not to trust this person if they heard from the person they said they did.

The person said there were three males that rushed the police car. They forced and held the door closed and attacked him through the window. They struck him in the face. When the officer managed to pull his gun out it went off. No mention that Michael or anyone else tried to wrestle it away from him. They began to run and the cop exited, told Michael to freeze. Michael turned around with his hands up and kept taunting the cop while walking towards him, saying "what you gonna do shoot me?" and such. The officer told him to stop several times and when Michael got too close he began shooting. No mention of anyone charging him once he was outside of the vehicle.
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This is the most ridiculous story I've ever heard. Sound like made up contrived bullshit

JB1981 said:
As is a crazed cop gunning down an unarmed black man simply because he was black
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Unfortunately the cop gunning down an unarmed Blackman because he's black is a much more likely scenario in this country.
 
Saint Gregory said:
Yep, this is the Trayvon Martin case all over again. The shooter if left free long enough to start market testing different defense strategies prior to ever being charged.

Remember when Zimmerman wasn't following Martin but Martin just randomly attack him from the shadows like a ninja while he got out of his car to check where he was in his own neighborhood? Fortunately for him the prosecution in his case threw it enough so it was never necessary for him to take the stand and explain all of his previous ridiculous stories. There were plenty of posters in those threads that believed that earlier version of events before the evidence proved it was impossible though.
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The fucked up thing is people will rush to believe that made up cook and bull story because it validate their world view of the savage black thugs and the well meaning white cop.

Trayvon was turned from an unarmed kid walking home with iced tea. Into a wanna be trouble making thug in the media. The same thing will happen here. No justice will be served and pressure cooker keeps cooking.
 
mbmonk said:
From the eye witness account conversation embedded at taverns website, the witness specifically said that he thought the cop's shots were missing because Michael Brown kept moving toward the officer.

Was he running toward the office or walking with his hands up? I hope we find out the truth.
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So let me get this straight; on this account, Mike Brown was either walking or running towards the cop with his hands up, but the officer was missing as Mike got closer to him. Even despite how it was established that he must have died some distance from the police car.

I don't even...
 
CountBlackule said:
Darren Wilson won't get an hour of jail time. Congrats 'Murica
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I doubt that unless there is a piece of evidence that completely exonerates him that we don't know about. A slap on the wrist would unleash chaos in St. Louis. Now whether or not he gets the time he deserves? Well that's something else completely.
 
Can someone give me the run down? I'm completely lost on where everything is at this point. Is there a site where I can catch up? Everything seems completely contradictory.
 
Apt101 said:
The person said there were three males that rushed the police car. They forced and held the door closed and attacked him through the window. They struck him in the face. When the officer managed to pull his gun out it went off. No mention that Michael or anyone else tried to wrestle it away from him. They began to run and the cop exited, told Michael to freeze. Michael turned around with his hands up and kept taunting the cop while walking towards him, saying "what you gonna do shoot me?" and such. The officer told him to stop several times and when Michael got too close he began shooting. No mention of anyone charging him once he was outside of the vehicle.
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If this was true, why didn't they tell us about it pretty much immediately? What happened to calling for backup?
 
Saganator said:
If this was true, why didn't they tell us about it pretty much immediately? What happened to calling for backup?
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You would think that "three guys rushed one squad car" would be the first thing Ferguson PD would have mentioned, even in the incident report, not all of this "well, he might have reached for the gun and a shot might have been fired in the car and he might have wrestled with the cop through the window" bullshit over the first couple of days.
 
Are people ignoring this eye witness on tape right after the shooting?


#1 How’d he get from there to there?
#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck
{crosstalk}
#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him
{crosstalk}
#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –
#1. Oh, the police got his gun
#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him
{crosstalk}
#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing
#1 The Police?
#2 The Police shot him
#1 Police?
#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)
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http://tavernkeepers.com/witness-michael-brown-bum-rushed-cop/
 
Saganator said:
Isn't it pretty accepted that Mike Brown was the strong man robber?
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It is accepted. Him being the robber is not in question. His friend with him already relayed this information. It was not known by the officer who shot him that he was the prime suspect in a robbery.

And even if it were known, Michael Brown was shot multiple times, even after trying to run, turn around, and put his hands in the air to surrender.
 
MechaX said:
So let me get this straight; on this account, Mike Brown was either walking or running towards the cop with his hands up, but the officer was missing as Mike got closer to him. Even despite how it was established that he must have died some distance from the police car.

I don't even...
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No no, you should listen to the audio. The guy was more like, "and damn, I thought the cop was missing him because he just kept going" -- he didn't say the cop was missing, rather that it was a bit crazy how Mike kept advancing.

But again, listen to the clip for full context.
 
googleplex said:
The fucked up thing is people will rush to believe that made up cook and bull story because it validate their world view of the savage black thugs and the well meaning white cop.

Trayvon was turned from an unarmed kid walking home with iced tea. Into a wanna be trouble making thug in the media. The same thing will happen here. No justice will be served and pressure cooker keeps cooking.
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...uh, what? Trayvon was pretty much always presented as an unnarmed kid, with Zimmerman universally being the bad guy. Seems like you just saw whatever you wanted to see.
 
MechaX said:
So let me get this straight; on this account, Mike Brown was either walking or running towards the cop with his hands up, but the officer was missing as Mike got closer to him. Even despite how it was established that he must have died some distance from the police car.

I don't even...
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The witness said he thoughts the shots were missing because Brown kept moving forward. I imagine he thought if Brown was being hit buy bullets, Brown would have stopped moving forward, fell down, or something to that affect.

The witness in the video never mentions hands up or walking, but I didn't mentioning running because when the witness was speaking about that it was vague. The witness said running but it was hard to determine exactly what he meant in the context of the conversation plus other noised and conversation.

Watch the video and hear it for yourself so you don't have to take a second hand account of what was said.
 
Ryuelli said:
...uh, what? Trayvon was pretty much always presented as an unnarmed kid, with Zimmerman universally being the bad guy. Seems like you just saw whatever you wanted to see.
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Oh that's horse shit. Google Fox News and trayvon. See what that gets you. They dragged that kid through the mud and made him out to be a weed smoking gang banger.
 
JB1981 said:
As is a crazed cop gunning down an unarmed black man simply because he was black
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Really? I know you were trying to play innocent in the thread before which some people took for trolling.

But c'mon, theres been like 5 or 6 instances of cops shooting, or killing black men in the past 10 days!

NY - police office choked to death a black man
New Orleans - police officer shot a black man in the head, didn't report it for TWO FUCKING DAYS
Walmart shooting and killing of a black man with a airsoft gun.
theres one or two that I'm missing.

Not to mention the 2009 arrest of a black man who had the same name as a wanted criminal, Fergusson police, the same department responsible for this current mess, arrest him and then proceed to beat him within an inch of his life, then charge him with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms. He has since filed a civil lawsuit against them, so what do they do? They charge him with something else over a YEAR after the fact.

Give me a fucking break.
 
Ryuelli said:
...uh, what? Trayvon was pretty much always presented as an unnarmed kid, with Zimmerman universally being the bad guy. Seems like you just saw whatever you wanted to see.
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You're over here claiming that another poster has blinders on while you pretend that there wasn't a concerted effort to frame Trayvon as a thug?

Doing a search in private mode so the conservative slant in the resulting websites is not intentional:
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Ryuelli said:
...uh, what? Trayvon was pretty much always presented as an unnarmed kid, with Zimmerman universally being the bad guy. Seems like you just saw whatever you wanted to see.
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The jury was never allowed to see any evidence of Trayvon's past. Drug use, pics with guns, fighting all never made it into court. The media had the info, but it did not effect the trial. The only thing that was presented in court that mattered was the evidence and testimony at the time of the shot that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman attacking him. As far as self defense goes, anything before that is irrelevant. Legally speaking at least.
 
I'm listening to the audio but it's hard to make out.

At 6:58 can anyone confirm what he says after the police shot him?


The script says "the police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him"
 
googleplex said:
The fucked up thing is people will rush to believe that made up cook and bull story because it validate their world view of the savage black thugs and the well meaning white cop.

Trayvon was turned from an unarmed kid walking home with iced tea. Into a wanna be trouble making thug in the media. The same thing will happen here. No justice will be served and pressure cooker keeps cooking.
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I pretty much lost my shit and voluntarily left the OT forum for a year because of how pissed I got at all the passive aggressive, devil's advocate racist posters in the Martin threads who kept coming up with fantasy scenarios where Zimmerman was just a random good guy attacked unprovoked by a thuggish black kid because... well that's what black people do, am I right?

To this day you'll still find plenty of posters popping up saying that Martin was the aggressor in that case even with all of the incidents prior to and after the trial which clearly paint Zimmerman as a person with anger management issues. While the jury wasn't allowed to consider those facts there's nothing stopping any sane person from doing so.
 
So I've added a bunch of Twitter users to my feed who are there in #Ferguson and following what's going on and found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maA1FUJqhew&feature=youtu.be

It's a video that shows Michael Brown actually paying, not robbing the store. The word from these Twitter users are that the videos previously shown were edited together to make it look bad. This has not been reported by any news outlets, just Twitter users in Ferguson, so far, to make that clear.
 
Indicate said:
I'm listening to the audio but it's hard to make out.

At 6:58 can anyone confirm what he says after the police shot him?


The script says "the police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him"
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Yeah that sounds like what he's saying. The dude with the camera starts talking and it's hard to make out what he says after that though.
 
Indicate said:
I'm listening to the audio but it's hard to make out.

At 6:58 can anyone confirm what he says after the police shot him?


The script says "the police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him"
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This is the key piece. If he "kept coming toward him" it contradicts the "he was on the ground with his hands in the air" narrative.
 
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