Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Holy shit @ that Jado post.

Picking on an innocent racist like that.

Who's the real racist now, hmm?

Mr.Sumal said:
So he didn't steal anything, the store didn't report a robbery, and the cashier said he paid?
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Okay, this is getting really confusing. The lawyer of the friend of Brown confirmed the guys in the video were him and Brown.
 
Gonzalez said:
Damn it, you keep doing this. Don't just go by what Twitter says. Same thing happened when Jack the billionaire was assumed kidnapped last night.
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Yea, I think he deserves a tag. something along the lines of "verify what I say" or doublecheck my facts because I could be spouting BS. That would be mighty helpful
 
Infinite said:
Apparently it's just "witness" testimony so take that with a grain of salt guys. No concrete evidence yet
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here is an article of what was said by the store owner and its lawyer

FERGUSON, Mo. - The Ferguson Market where Brown allegedly stole from Saturday says it remains committed to the community and it hopes the community will remain committed to it. The market's attorney says it has been in the Ferguson community for many years and is the type of place where customers and employees all know one another. Friday, the market's attorney said the owners intend to keep it that way.

Former Ferguson resident Shaneis Hubbard used to work just a couple of doors down from the market and would visit it almost every day. She stopped by Friday to see for herself what the market would say about the surveillance video that allegedly caught Michael Brown stealing from the store, not long before he was killed.

"Regardless of the petty crime he was allegedly involved in, nobody deserves to be gunned down like that, nobody; white, black, other, nobody," she said.

The store's owners, through their attorney, sent the message that they want to stay as far away from the situation as possible. In fact, he said, even after the initial alleged theft, it was a customer who called police.

"It's not about them. They didn't call the police, they didn't ask the police to come and take the video," said attorney Jay Kanzler.

Now, the Ferguson Market owners are hoping the video won't make them a target.

"They would hope that the people of this community, who have consistently supported them, would continue to support them, and realize that whatever the police are looking at on the surveillance tapes has nothing to with what went on in the streets," said Kanzler.
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http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/loca...cops-on-ferguson-teen-michael-brown/14138121/
 
I don't follow much news but reading this just makes me so sad! It's a hard pill to swallow when the people that are meant to protect us are willing to shoot us down so easy. I understand that not ALL police are like this but it makes it hard to trust them when stuff like this goes down so often. I just wish there was more we could do but, we are powerless it's seems only getting what information they want us to have and being told to just sit back and wait :(
 
Oblivion said:
Okay, this is getting really confusing. The lawyer of the friend of Brown confirmed the guys in the video were him and Brown.
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Yes, and also the lawyer of the store owner confirmed today of the robbery that was shown on the video.

Why are we backpedaling here. Brown was involved in the robbery.
 
Yeah and Dorian's (his friend that was with him) lawyer said that Brown tried to get him to steal but he didn't want to.

Brown was involved with a crime at the store. That in no way changes anything regarding his disgusting death.
 
Jado said:
It's not surprising you'd call into question all the witnesses that support the version of events that say the cop executed the black kid, but immediately jump onto supporting the one person whose testimony lines up with your racist views. You and the rest like you should abandon these threads. You're a poison to the discussion.

White woman fellates black rapper:


Ellen dresses up as Nicki Minaj

Speedline response:



Parent pummels son's teacher, after she alledgly scratches him


Defending bad behavior by whites in way he never does for blacks
3 men push over 200 million year old rock formation in Goblin Valley



Private security guards kill black male for trespassing.



Attempting to shut down discussion with usual "everyone is equally bad" rhetoric


See here as he reframes the narrative to one in which we must wait and see to learn how much is the guy to blame for his own murder.
Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Walmart


Gun Collector kills teen over loud music outside convenience store


Gets pretty defensive about white pride here:


Posted a thread about teens getting kicked off a bus and one punches the driver in anger. He seems to have been quick to connect it to the "knockout game" before realizing it had nothing to do with it. Knockout has a lot of incidents erroneously attributed to it + fear mongering of blacks and underccurent of racism among certain news outlets.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=494564&page=1

Welp.


Evoking the model minority to put down other minorities.


Just a real shit post.


Made a fool of himself in Trayvon thread:
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?p=67205266






Response to above:


Gets called out by enzom, doesn't respond:
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=67301461


This one is a bit cryptic and flew under the radar, but I believe he's choosing to selectively highlight only on a "murders commited by blacks/Latinos" stat while ignoring that the thread is about stop and frisk and that Bloomberg is being an asshole.


Why GAF is left leaning:


Black males most consistently under-performing demographic. What can be done?

Perfume maker Guerlain faces court for dropping N-bomb on television


Girl goes crazy, threatens to kill Professor(Jangocube thread)
Seems to imply this is common black behavior. The pessimist in me thinks "flip out" is a reference to "chimp outs."




Another post under the radar. I believe he's saying blacks need to forgive whites for their wounds to heal before we can move forward, essentially blaming them for slow/lack of progress.
How can White people (EU+US) try to heal the wounds inflicted upon Black people?





White men have it bad.


Spreading lies about racist voter ID laws:


First time offender sentenced to 162 years without parole


White Florida Man Shoots 17-Year Old Black in "Self-Defense"...Again
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=44828754





Response:


88 Year old WWII vet beaten to death by 2 Teens(16-19)




This Bill O'Reilly talking points memo (aka black people to blame for their troubles)


Refers to the three black 15yr olds attacking the white 13yr old as "thugs"


Racist Paula Seen is victim of witch hunt


Blames poor black kids failing in school.
Horrific 10 Percent Literacy Rate Prompts ACLU to Sue Michigan Schools


Family sues Dallas cops, city, after 911 caller Deanna Cook is found dead (family claims race/area demographics played role in very slow police response)


You're a horrible person.
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Thank You, I can't stand speedline.
 
Indicate said:
Yes, and also the lawyer of the store owner confirmed today of the robbery that was shown on the video.

Why are we backpedaling here. Brown was involved in the robbery.
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Sorry for the confusion. Jumped the gun. Apparently it is true that the store didn't report the robbery and didn't give the police evidence
 
Couple of thoughts about the possibility Brown paid for the cigars:

-I don't know the law, but I would assume that him paying for the items but refusing to show his ID would still amount to forcible theft. I think it would still qualify as a robbery, but that would be an atypical set of facts.

-Even if Brown didn't commit a robbery, that wouldn't have any relevance to the officer's judgment of the danger Brown posed. So the impact on the actual shooting is negligible.

-That said, it would be one more example of the Ferguson PD's ineptitude, and it would further highlight the malice behind releasing the tape. If the officer didn't know of the alleged robbery, which the chief stated, the tape would have no bearing on the case and serve only as a key component of an ongoing smear campaign against the victim.

tl;dr Not that important.
 
DISCLAIMER: From Twitter

Same story, two people.
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The point in establishing if mike brown robbed the store is to call ferguson pd out on their blatant attempts at character assassination. Even so mike brown incident with the cop wasn't at all trigger by the alleged robbery.

Sorry for muddying the waters on this once again.
 
TheOMan said:
Um, if this is true:

1. LOL @ releasing that video, nothing but malice there.
2. We need a Mike Brown chalkboard.
3. Guess his (Mike Brown's) mindset won't be in question here, eh?
4. Why did they release the video again?
5. Why did he push that person?

Edit: That's a big if as his friend stated that he did walk out without paying, didn't he?
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And if he didn't take anything the cops were quick to convict him of committing a strong arm robbery.
 
Infinite said:
The point in establishing if mile brown robbed the store is to call ferguson pd out on their blatant attempts at character assassination. Even so mike brown incident with the cop wasn't at all trigger by the alleged robbery.

Sorry for muddying the waters on this once again.
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I mean it's still character assassination, regardless. It's unrelated to the shooting and was released purely to brand Brown as a criminal which (supposedly) makes his shooting more acceptable.
 
otapnam said:
Come on man - stuff like this that isn't proven true source material can only serve to create more misinformation
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The guy on the left actually said those words. It was a youtube video released I think hours after it happened. I haven't see the lady on the left though.

There was also a guy on twitter who was tweeting about the whole thing just after it happened.
 
ReignofSparrows said:
Couple of thoughts about the possibility Brown paid for the cigars:

-I don't know the law, but I would assume that him paying for the items but refusing to show his ID would still amount to forcible theft. I think it would still qualify as a robbery, but that would be an atypical set of facts.

-Even if Brown didn't commit a robbery, that wouldn't have any relevance to the officer's judgment of the danger Brown posed. So the impact on the actual shooting is negligible.

-That said, it would be one more example of the Ferguson PD's ineptitude, and it would further highlight the malice behind releasing the tape. If the officer didn't know of the alleged robbery, which the chief stated, the tape would have no bearing on the case and serve only as a key component of an ongoing smear campaign against the victim.

tl;dr Not that important.
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I believe that some reporters asked about this at Friday afternoons press conference with the police chief re: "why did you release this information this morning if the officer didn't know about it?" and his response was to blame them saying he only released it because they asked for it.

I'm pretty sure that none of the reporters asked "Hey, could you please release some cherry-picked still frames shots from the convenience store security camera that make Brown look as threatening as possible? You can? Thanks!"
 
Gaz_RB said:
I mean it's still character assassination, regardless. It's unrelated to the shooting and was released purely to brand Brown as a criminal which (supposedly) makes his shooting more acceptable.
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Add that to the fact the robbery wasn't reported by the store and tape wasn't willingly given to the police. Their motives are dubious here in releasing the tape to begin with.
 
Infinite said:
The point in establishing if mile brown robbed the store is to call ferguson pd out on their blatant attempts at character assassination. Even so mike brown incident with the cop wasn't at all trigger by the alleged robbery.

Sorry for muddying the waters on this once again.
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This was already clarified by the store owner and the actual woman that called the police tho. I don't understand what else is there to say about the irrelevant robbery.

I'd still like to see who is putting out this information so we all know who to avoid. You have to be reading it somewhere and you haven't posted a source yet.

No offense, but a source would be nice. Its hard to believe what you have to say after a 2nd time and there where people knee-jerking "truth" to a question you asked.

That's how misinformation spreads like wildfire. Ask yourself if we need more misinformation right now, we are already getting the runaround from the cops and plenty of it.
 
Nanashrew said:
I question when devil's advocacy has ever been useful to a conversation or discussion.
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How else do you learn to anticipate the moves of an opponent but to play the role yourself? Further, how do you determine that your values and your ideals and your facts are your truth unless you assault them as if you were your enemy? I would be a very poor attorney if I were unable to swap sides and argue the opposite side to find the holes in my case. I would indict people who ought not to be labeled as criminals, I would provide the wrong advice to my client on how to fight his charges.

Unfortunately for me, this thought process basically pervades every aspect of life such that I carry it into my personal (rare!) and forum lives. I know that some folks play this game rather than actually speak their mind but for me everything is a thought exercise on how to weigh things and gauge the reaction of others. For example, in this case, the initial facts are entirely against the cop, so my brain starts churning in that direction, seeing what gaps there are and how little things could be exploited. I have taken the complete opposite approach when discussing this case with my work peers. I find being able to argue multiple sides to issues to be pretty educational, even in cases that are pretty clear cut like this-hands up and shot. Just imho of course.
 
Infinite said:
So he didn't steal anything, the store didn't report a robbery, and the cashier said he paid?

Edit:
Apparently it's just "witness" testimony so take that with a grain of salt guys. No concrete evidence yet
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MSNBC:

Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson, grabbed cigars from the store and behind the counter, the police report said. Before they left the store, the employee attempted to stop Brown from taking the merchandise. Brown grabbed the employee by the shirt and pushed him into a display rack in the store, the report said, and Brown and Johnson left the store with the cigars...

...In an interview with msnbc shortly after the report was released, Johnson’s lawyer confirmed that Brown had taken cigars from the store.

“We see that there’s tape, that they claim they got a tape that shows there was some sort of strong-armed robbery,” said Freeman Bosley, Johnson’s attorney. “We need to see that tape, my client did tell us and told the FBI that they went into the store. He told FBI that [Brown] did take cigarillos. He told that to the DOJ and the St. Louis County Police.”
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AP:

The attorney for a convenience store where a Missouri teenager allegedly stole cigars before being shot by police says a customer, not store workers, called police...

....The store's attorney, Jay Kanzler, says store workers didn't call police, though they're not disputing that a theft happened.
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This new 'witness' seems to be lying.


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Random Painted HIghway said:
How else do you learn to anticipate the moves of an opponent but to play the role yourself? Further, how do you determine that your values and your ideals and your facts are your truth unless you assault them as if you were your enemy? I would be a very poor attorney if I were unable to swap sides and argue the opposite side to find the holes in my case. I would indict people who ought not to be labeled as criminals, I would provide the wrong advice to my client on how to fight his charges.

Unfortunately for me, this thought process basically pervades every aspect of life such that I carry it into my personal (rare!) and forum lives. I know that some folks play this game rather than actually speak their mind but for me everything is a thought exercise on how to weigh things and gauge the reaction of others. For example, in this case, the initial facts are entirely against the cop, so my brain starts churning in that direction, seeing what gaps there are and how little things could be exploited. I have taken the complete opposite approach when discussing this case with my work peers. I find being able to argue multiple sides to issues to be pretty educational, even in cases that are pretty clear cut like this-hands up and shot. Just imho of course.
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I agree with you, but the problem is that you are actually playing devil's advocate whereas you can see in these types of threads that some posters are simply playing white person's advocate. Not the same thing.
 
PopeReal said:
Who the fuck cares if he stole anything or not. We need to stay focused on the murder of an unarmed citizen by a police officer.
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If you read the comments from other sites that don't have the level of moderation we enjoy here on GAF you'll see how many people are saying what some (now banned) posters would have liked to say but couldn't, which is that Mike Brown deserved to die because he did something bad at least once.

God help everyone if that standard starts to get applied across the board...
 
PopeReal said:
Who the fuck cares if he stole anything or not. We need to stay focused on the murder of an unarmed citizen by a police officer.
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It is not important to the murder, but is important concerning the nature/character of the Ferguson police department. I think that is an important topic concerning this case because I imagine that the Ferguson police department resembles many departments in the US
 
AbsintheGames said:
This was already clarified by the store owner and the actual woman that called the police tho. I don't understand what else is there to say about the irrelevant robbery.

I'd still like to see who is putting out this information so we all know who to avoid. You have to be reading it somewhere and you haven't posted a source yet.

No offense, but a source would be nice. Its hard to believe what you have to say after a 2nd time and there where people knee-jerking "truth" to a question you asked.

That's how misinformation spreads like wildfire. Ask yourself if we need more misinformation right now, we are already getting the runaround from the cops and plenty of it.
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You right. It's just a very sensitive issue for me personally. I personally witnessed cops stretch the truth in order to make their actions look better. I wanted to believe that the cops fabricated the story or rather I expected that. So I jumped to the "source" confirmed my suspicions. Not a responsible thing on my part
 
Casimir said:
MSNBC:
Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson, grabbed cigars from the store and behind the counter, the police report said.
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This is half true.

It was Brown that grabbed the cigars who then passed some cigars to Dorian. Dorian then returned the cigars back to the counter. All this is seen in the video which is why the police said Dorian is not being charged.

This shows how easy it is to change the story by just a few words and how words are used in the sentence.
 
This thread has been very entertaining. Especially when contrasted with other news/forum threads on this continued incident. Keep it rolling GAF.
 
PopeReal said:
Who the fuck cares if he stole anything or not. We need to stay focused on the murder of an unarmed citizen by a police officer.
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I haven't been spending much time keeping up to date, but last time I heard it was relevant to the official police explanation for the sequence of events. In short,

1. Brown stole cigarillos and manhandled a store clerk.
2. The police were called, unrelated to Officer Wilson, and they viewed the surveillance data and interviewed witnesses.
3. A description of Brown and the theft was disseminated to the surrounding police.
4. Officer Wilson, who wasn't responding to the robbery, stopped Brown for jaywalking.
5. Wilson after spotting the cigars in Browns hand, noticed he fit the profile for the robbery suspect.
6. *Point of contention*
7. Officer Wilson fatally shoots Brown.

Indicate said:
This is half true.

It was Brown that grabbed the cigars who then passed some cigars to Dorian. Dorian then returned the cigars back to the counter. All this is seen in the video which is why the police said Dorian is not being charged.

This shows how easy it is to change the story by just a few words and how words are used in the sentence.
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It seems to be a poor summation by MSNBC.
 
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